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Post by gordonmarshall on Oct 16, 2008 15:13:15 GMT
Alan Balls first signing.....Vince Hilaire.That's the way to avoid relegation.Then followed Paul Barnes,Tony Kelly,Dave Kevan,Noel Blake,Tony Ellis and Garry Brooke.No way was a team with them lot ever going to achieve the dizzy heights of mid-table.
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Post by titanic on Oct 16, 2008 16:05:40 GMT
I don't think anybody would disagree with you there Stenny, and Ball was certainly equally responsible (with Mills) for our relegation that year.
But lets get back to the question, on what basis do you think 'Mr More Time' Mills could have turned the ship around in 89/90 (the problems of which, were of his own making)?
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Post by moortownpotter on Oct 16, 2008 19:59:05 GMT
Awesome thread!
Whenever I hear of managers getting slagged off, it just makes me think 'Mills Out'. It just has that ring!
Mills Out! Mills Out! Mills Out! It just kept going and going.
On the Boothen, there was always some fella who used to shout 'Denis Smith's Red and White Army' every week to remind us of how we fcked up by not appointing him in the early 80's. And he carried on all the way through til Lou. In fact I'm sure I've heard him since then, but can't pinpoint the date!
As for Millsy, he should have gone at the end of 88/89. Did a decent job til then, steadied the ship. Now give £1 million quid to a new man.
But we didn't and until this year we have reaped the failure of that decision.
How about this for a crazy idea? On the run up to singing Tony Pulis' Barmy Army (can you sing an apostrophe?) why don't we sing all the decent managers we've had since our inception?
Thomas Slaney's Barmy Army, Horace Austerberry's Barmy Army, Tom Mather's Barmy Army, Bob McGrory's Barmy Army, Frankie Taylor's Barmy Army, Waddington's Barmy Army, Alan Durban's Barm Army, Lou Macari's Barmy Army, ?Thordason's? Barmy Army................Tony Pulis' Barmy Army.
No? Ok then!
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Post by sw12potter on Oct 16, 2008 20:34:39 GMT
Awesome thread, eh, OtleyPotter...? Why is it then that you've given it the kiss of death...no one ever replies to your messages...
What do you mean I've replied...?
Oh....
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Post by gordonmarshall on Oct 16, 2008 20:39:59 GMT
Otleypotter, I note you have not mentioned Mick Mills name in your barmy army song,sure that is just an oversight though
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Post by moortownpotter on Oct 16, 2008 20:41:58 GMT
Yep SW12 potter, that's me.
No one likes me, no one likes me, no one likes me, I don't care!
Now fukc off and sack that bloke on the halifax advert.
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Post by sw12potter on Oct 16, 2008 20:48:23 GMT
Now there's no need to be like that Otley... This is now three replies following one of your thread killing emails, surely a record by your standards...? And are you glad you're paying my bonus this year...?
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Post by moortownpotter on Oct 16, 2008 20:54:54 GMT
It's not an email numpty.
When do you want that money back?
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Post by JoeinOz on Oct 17, 2008 0:27:43 GMT
Just reading this thread reminds me of how dreadful so much of that period actually was. Going round in circles.
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Post by garyhackett on Oct 17, 2008 6:19:04 GMT
Mills signed some quality players even if he couldnt get the best out of them:
Beagrie Cranson Biggins Hackett Dixon Ford
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Post by lordb on Oct 17, 2008 7:28:44 GMT
....Palin,Devine,Tony 'zico' Kelly,Talbot & we had good players coming through : Parkin,Bould,Hemming,Adams,Phil Heath (before he went shit),Saunders,Shaw (still the best debut goal ever),Beeston.
& in Peter Fox we had a star keeper.Experience in Berry.
looking back OK the club had the stuffing knocked out of us by 84-85 but perhaps we should have had more confidence in our own side. Mills 1st season was very good given everyones expectations & his peanuts budget & the second season was bizzare in its extreme awfulness/brilliance.
a stronger manager (& Denis was the obvious candidate) would have got Stoke promoted or at least challenging.
maybe we just need "a bit more time" to re-consider MM
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2008 15:06:35 GMT
Lord B, do you mean Dave Fucking Mental I scored a Goal Bamber. The nutter who went mental when he scored against Ipswich at Portman Road in May 1985 when we lost 5-1.
Strange Mick Mills was playing for Ipswich that day why did he buy stoke a player, no wonder Mills was useless he was buying players for other teams, strange fucker
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Post by titanic on Oct 17, 2008 15:39:16 GMT
strangled - that was Keith Bertschin who scored and went mental...oh, and by then Mills was playing on the South Coast at Southampton! Interesting rumour regarding Bertschin - it was suggested that he was playing away with Mill's wife in 86/87 and that led Mills to sell at the earliest opportunity, just before the transfer window in March '87 and during the final run-in to the season, when we still had a chance of a play-off spot. Not sure how true it is, but it might explain why he left at such an inappropriate time, despite just coming off the bench to grab a late equaliser at Huddersfield and still being the best goalscorer at the club... ???
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2008 16:04:43 GMT
Titanic oh yeah oopps Lord B sorry mate Im a twat today (no comments needed) wot Mills sold his wife wow sounds like a top bloke too me was she nice lmfao
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Post by lordb on Oct 17, 2008 18:19:52 GMT
well been a few beers since then
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2010 12:10:16 GMT
I knew a cpouple of the Stoke players at the time, Phil Heath in particular. He told us that since Brian Talbot arrived there was trouble in the dressing room. Talbot had big ideas of becoming a manager and often shouted Mills down in the dressing room and barked his own orders on the pitch. A lot of the team prefered Talbots ideas to Mills`and so with a split behind the scenes Mills` days were numbered. I remember a game away at Shrewsbury,possibly boxing day, where Mills stood at the touchline trying to make a substitution and the player in question wouldnt come off !! Mills sat down and did nothing and admitted defeat. He could never turn the situation around without the players behind him. As a manager he should have been big enough to stand up and get rid of the bad apples but he was too much of a nice bloke really. Funny how he never managed again. I guess he realised he wasnt cut out for it.
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Post by JoeinOz on Sept 10, 2011 2:47:19 GMT
Talbot left in about January 1988 and Mills was sacked November 89. Talbot was well gone by the time Mills was sacked.
There was a game at Shrewsbury in February 1989 when Beagrie got badly fouled and Mills called for him to be subbed but Beagrie waved that he was OK so he carried on.
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Post by Caerwrangonpotter on Oct 1, 2011 14:41:20 GMT
Always remember "Mills Out" painted in emulsion on the A500 by the Car Park
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Post by aussielad on Jun 22, 2012 5:51:38 GMT
To be honest, Millsy was there at a very volatile and starange time for Stoke as a club. The tension was so thick, and the expectation was high. The sit in after the Sunderland defeat 0-2 at home being a prize example. Millsy's sponsored Volvo got a bit of a kicking, and the OB had to charge at the mob, which if memory serves me right, was a few hundred. We'd just sold Beagrie to Everton, and everyone was up for a bit of bother ( me included). We were just a bunch of angry people.
The huge " MILLS OUT " painted on the outside of the Old Vic said it all.
Bally had the same problem. It was just an aggressive place at the time he was there. Throwing coins at his family, and kicking the bus with our own players on it after losing to Swindon away.
Don't think we will ever see that aggression again.
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