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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2008 11:38:26 GMT
 Roeder's eyes left to water at the 'gamble' that Potters have taken on Ameobi deal Fri 28 Mar 08 City boss Glenn Roeder this morning revealed the "mind-boggling" numbers the saw his long-time transfer target Shola Ameobi join promotion-hopefuls Stoke City on-loan until the end of the season. And beyond, it would seem, with the Canary chief hinting strongly that an eventual £5 million full-time switch was also part of the package laid at Newcastle United's door by the Potters as they look to bolt what they clearly see as the last piece in their promotion puzzle into place for the final six games of the season - at whatever the financial cost, it would appear. The fact that City No2 was "on a promise" to be kept informed of any latest developments in Ameobi's transfer movements - a call that never came as Potters chairman Peter Coates reached for his wallet in the last 48 hours - added to a certain sense of disappointment around Colney this morning. Roeder's mood was, however, tempered by the fact that - in his eyes - every player has a price; the one that Newcastle have just got for a player with barely a competitive start to his name this season was one that made his eyes water. At that level, he'd have walked away. Particularly after speaking to Newcastle's new director of football yesterday with Ameobi already all but Britannia-bound. "I spoke to Dennis Wise yesterday morning," said Roeder, on the phone chasing a second loan target right up until yesterday's 5pm deadline. "And it was too dear. If he's telling me the truth, Stoke have paid an incredible amount of money," said the City chief. "For a short period of time." For all such deals now come with a 'loan fee' attached. And that's before anyone sits down with the player himself - and his agent - to discuss their share of the cake. Potters boss Tony Pulis admitted yesterday that the chairman had decided that now was the time to risk all on winning that ticket to the Premiership; that one point ahead of the rest of the field - albeit with Hull starting to breathe down their necks - now was the time to play the joker and risk all. Wise clearly suggested that yesterday's initial loan fee came with summer strings attached - a full-time deal at the £5 million mark. "He [Wise] is telling me that it's attached to potentially a £5 million transfer deal. And I've got to take him for his word," said Roeder, as the London-based Wise wheels and deals whilst Kevin Keegan keeps his eye on events on the pitch. "I know Dennis reasonably well and that's what he was telling me. I'm not obliged to say what Stoke's business is with Newcastle, but it's mind-boggling the amount of money he's told me that Stoke have gambled on Shola to get them in the Premiership. "Because I believe if they don't do it, there's no way that Stoke - as a Championship side - are going to carry through paying £5 million for a striker that's going to be in the Championship next year." The fact that the Birmingham Post recently installed Coates as the 25th richest man in UK football on the back of selling the family's chain of bookies to Corals for £40 million and a Bet365 empire - the brainchild of his daughter Denise - now conservatively estimated to be worth £175 million may explain the deep purse that Pulis has at his disposal. Nevertheless, it is still a risk. Particularly given Ameobi's injury record. "This is only a personal opinion and I know Shola extremely well - I know his character; he's a top man; a fantastic goal-scorer - but he has got a history of injuries," said Roeder, who managed the one-time England Under-21 striker at St James and saw his development into a first-time player from his vantage point of Newcastle's Academy chief. "He's had a really nasty hip operation and to be gambling £5 million - and I don't know the deal exactly - but if that's a guaranteed £5 million, that's some gamble that Pulis has taken on someone who has seemed to have recovered from major surgery on his hip. "And it hasn't really yet been tested because he's wasted a year. The two managers that Newcastle have had this year have chosen not to use him. So knowing Shola like I do, he'll be amazingly unfit as well. He takes a bit of getting fit. "So Stoke have got a short period of time to get the best out of him; out of a Shola Ameobi that will be nowhere near match-fit. And if Dennis is telling the truth, you'd be shocked at how much they're paying." There must, equally, have been a slight shock that Ameobi was going anywhere after Clark was told by first Sam Allardyce and then Keegan that he wouldn't be coming out to play this season. "But Lee had an agreement with one of the senior coaches that if he was going to go anywhere, he was going to get a phone call. "And we never got a phone-call - which disappoints me greatly. Because I don't break promises. But good luck to Stoke. If he gets them in the Premiership, then it'll look a small amount of money. If they don't... wow. Very expensive." Ameobi wasn't the only iron in the fire, it seems. "Did we try for someone else? Yes - right up till five o'clock," said Roeder, who also revealed he made an abortive trip to the North-East on Monday to watch a League One game. "A wasted journey," he admitted, with Paul Stephenson's old stomping ground of Hartlepool his most likely destination. As for yesterday's late, late nibble, that too was all a bit murky. "I'm told that he went somewhere else at one minute to five - which has really peeved me off. There's also a rumour that the deal never went through; that it was off at one minute past five. And I hope that it hasn't. Not that I'm vindictive, but I hope that it hasn't..." All of which came to overshadow tomorrow's trip to second-placed Bristol City. Gary Doherty was the one slight doubt with a back strain; he was due to train today giving Roeder a fully-fit squad to select from.
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Post by FullerMagic on Mar 28, 2008 11:42:58 GMT
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Post by nathan on Mar 28, 2008 11:44:05 GMT
Rodent in typical bitter fashion.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2008 11:44:16 GMT
if the rodent is telling the truth, then it truly is gobsmacking |
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Post by robin1302 on Mar 28, 2008 11:44:37 GMT
where was this from?
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Post by FullerMagic on Mar 28, 2008 11:45:14 GMT
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Post by nathan on Mar 28, 2008 11:46:16 GMT
This is le Rodent though, don't forget.
He's a definition of 'bitter'.
The fee will be large no doubt. £5 million would seem a long way wide of the mark, however.
I'd say we're probably paying £500 000 for this mini-spell and £3 million in the summer for a permanent transfer should we reach the top flight.
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Post by Stick It On Cort's Head on Mar 28, 2008 11:46:18 GMT
WELL DONE TONE.
PISSED RODENT RIGHT OFF.
We are finally "blowing teams out of the water"
5 million for him seems about right to me.
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Post by vestanpance on Mar 28, 2008 11:47:42 GMT
What a load of cock.
This is utter bac-covering from Rodent because a player chose us instead of him Ask youself this all important question.....If Ameobi is that fucked, why was Roeder trying to get him?
The man is a simpleton, pure an simple.
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Post by FullerMagic on Mar 28, 2008 11:48:30 GMT
He's out of contract in 12 months, SIOCH.
Seems outrageously steep, especially with him relatively untested since his massive hip op.
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Post by knowles on Mar 28, 2008 11:49:11 GMT
Jesus! That would be an incredible statement to everyone that we mean business
Whatever the exact price, he isn't going to be cheap (if we do get him permanently)
Nice one Stoke- good signal of intent
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Post by nathan on Mar 28, 2008 11:49:46 GMT
It's interesting, FM.
When it comes to spending large sums I think he is slightly out of his depth if I'm honest.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2008 11:50:09 GMT
Fair point vestan.
Why spend considerable time chasing a player who isn't fit? He's been spouting shyte all season so I suppose we should be used to it by now.
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Post by StoKeith on Mar 28, 2008 11:50:15 GMT
Whatever the truth of the matter - Rodent seems INCREDIBLY bitter that he didn't get Shola and we did.  |
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Post by realstokebloke on Mar 28, 2008 11:51:32 GMT
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Post by visunitafortior on Mar 28, 2008 11:51:42 GMT
I think that Roeder's eyes have turned green. It's a nice feeling when you now have Stoke 'blowing other teams out of the water'.
Gonna be a cracker tomorrow!!!
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 28, 2008 11:52:11 GMT
I don't believe rodent for a second, he's a bitter, born-loser dickhead.
Notice he's doing the same trick he did at Newcastle when he tapped up players there "I don't want to talk about other clubs but..." But what? Fucking don't then, you ratty faced gobshite!
How nice is it though, to be able to blow other clubs out of the water?
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Post by realstokebloke on Mar 28, 2008 11:52:24 GMT
;D
Glad you "captured" that for me Grapey.
Me too (i think).
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Post by Baggs on Mar 28, 2008 11:53:12 GMT
dead right, vestan - SOUR GRAPES from Glenn
What a ****
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Mar 28, 2008 11:54:08 GMT
"Not that I'm vindictive..." Course not Glen
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Post by dexter97 on Mar 28, 2008 11:55:43 GMT
I would imagine that if there's any truth in Rodent's claim, then the £5M includes add-ons (up to £2M based on appearances, Premiership survival, etc).
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Post by FullerMagic on Mar 28, 2008 11:56:51 GMT
I've always thought Rodent was an A-grade arsehole, and could never understand how he got this reputation as "one of football's nice guys".
"...I'm not obliged to say what Stoke's business is with Newcastle, but it's mind-boggling the amount of money he's told me that Stoke have gambled on Shola to get them in the Premiership.
Spot on, rsb. The clown then proceeds to wash our linen in public (interesting though his insights are, even if you factor in the usual Rodent bilefest)
It's probably not helped by the fact that he can't stand Pulis, and obviously thought he had a special relationship with Ameobi.
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Post by serpico on Mar 28, 2008 11:59:27 GMT
The Rodent has been bitter towards us ever since Pulis said we should have beaten his Norwich by 5 or 6, earlier in the season
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Post by thepremierbanksy on Mar 28, 2008 11:59:39 GMT
Me too! The fitness thing is the main worry, i hope we're not going to fuck things up by playing him when he just isn't up to the task. Now we have paid out this loan fee (somewhere in the region of 500k - 1M?) TP will be kind of obliged to play him as much as possible. Then again the Roeder quotes that you pasted yesterday that were from a fortnight ago seemed to suggest that he didn't think it was worth getting Shola in anyway, and now he is all moosey faced that he missed out. Rodent just can't keep his trap shut. |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 28, 2008 12:02:56 GMT
Norwich, if you believe their fans who write in to F365, are a carpet-footballing, trouser-troublingly sexy footballing team, whereas we are the footballing AntiChrists. Why, therefore, is their manager crying like a menopausal woman at a Daniel O' Donnell concert about not signing a massive black youth to lump the ball up to?
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Post by realstokebloke on Mar 28, 2008 12:04:27 GMT
How i wish we were playing them in the run in with Shola & Fuller up top and the bit between their teeth.
5 or 6?
By half time Rodent, by half time, you knob.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2008 12:05:32 GMT
he is a bitter twat ain't he ;D
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Post by vestanpance on Mar 28, 2008 12:09:19 GMT
I get the feeling that at the same time as removing his tumour, they took out the capability for rational thought synapse.
It's either that, or he's a cunter.
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Post by realstokebloke on Mar 28, 2008 12:11:12 GMT
Quite clearly the latter Vestan, quite clearly the latter.
And you such a good rate cunter spotter n'all
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Post by FullerMagic on Mar 28, 2008 12:12:18 GMT
But at least he had some nice things to say about our new goalscoring hero when he wasn't being a naughty rat.
14 March 2008
Glenn Roeder has refused to write off a summer move for Newcastle's Shola Ameobi - but insists the striker won't be coming to Carrow Road on loan before the end of the season.
City's problems in front of goal - and Roeder's admission that he needs to freshen up his misfiring front-line - have again prompted speculation that Roeder was interested in bringing the 26-year-old to Norfolk.
And while that seems to be far from the case, Roeder did leave the door ajar for a definite move as part of what he considers to be the “major surgery” he will undertake at Carrow Road come the end of the season.
“Newcastle are up to their necks in it,” said Roeder today ahead of the trip to Sheffield United on Saturday. “He hasn't had any match practice and he hasn't played this year.
“Even if there was any chance - and there is no chance - knowing Shola like I do he would probably take a month to get match fit, and that's too late.
“But I like him a lot. He would be an unbelievable goal scorer in the Championship.”
When asked whether he might consider a move for the Nigerian forward at a later date, Roeder replied: “Who knows.
“But I just opened my hands there - I think he's a fantastic player, certainly rated much more highly by me than lots of other people who tend to like headless chickens running round the place who don't score.
“He scores goals.”
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