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Post by RINGO STARR on Sept 28, 2010 12:22:13 GMT
We werent ever going to score with Salif in the team, he was to defense minded and needed someone else in there to create something, allowing Whitehead to move central and Walters outwide as he was proving very little threat to Newcastle's goal. Whelan wasn't too great either, so switching Deano and Delap into there made much more sense. I was a little surprised to see Salif start the Newcastle match in all fairness when Wilson has done nothing wrong to watch someone leapfrog him into the starting XI. Nothing surprises me where Tony Pulis,Mama Sidibe and Salif Diao are concerned. The Fitness, form, experience of other players is irrelevant where Messrs Sidibe and Diao are concerned. Going back to my original point though, he's done no worse than Wheland, Whitehead in his last two games and can not be singled out as the scapegoat for our dire 1st half performance. |
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Post by sirpineapple89 on Sept 28, 2010 12:38:36 GMT
Personally, I think he's wank. He's a red card waiting to happen. I don't like slating our own players but I honestly think he's a poor player.
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Post by RINGO STARR on Sept 28, 2010 12:45:17 GMT
I think he can be a serious weak link at times particuarly where didtribution is concerned but my original point is that in th elast two games he's been no better or worse than three other midfielders who have played between 5 and 7 games this season.
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Post by PickSCFC on Sept 28, 2010 12:50:51 GMT
Personally, I think he's wank. He's a red card waiting to happen. I don't like slating our own players but I honestly think he's a poor player. how do you think he's done in the last 2 games? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2010 12:52:07 GMT
If Pulis sees him as a regular this season I’d have rather not done the Wilson deal and kept hold of Lenny.
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Post by sirpineapple89 on Sept 28, 2010 12:57:11 GMT
Personally, I think he's wank. He's a red card waiting to happen. I don't like slating our own players but I honestly think he's a poor player. how do you think he's done in the last 2 games? Didn't see the Fulham game. Newcastle - same old diving in and dodgy decision making. I don't see what he adds to our game at all. Plus he's a mercenary who made his decision to come back at the very last minute AGAIN. |
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Post by PickSCFC on Sept 28, 2010 12:59:07 GMT
how do you think he's done in the last 2 games? Didn't see the Fulham game. Newcastle - same old diving in and dodgy decision making. I don't see what he adds to our game at all. Plus he's a mercenary who made his decision to come back at the very last minute AGAIN. he played very well against fulham and he did his job on sunday by breaking up play and helping out in the defense, he marked out carroll at times aswell which isnt easy all footballers are mercenarys, thats the way football is im afraid |
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Post by sirpineapple89 on Sept 28, 2010 13:07:20 GMT
Didn't see the Fulham game. Newcastle - same old diving in and dodgy decision making. I don't see what he adds to our game at all. Plus he's a mercenary who made his decision to come back at the very last minute AGAIN. he played very well against fulham and he did his job on sunday by breaking up play and helping out in the defense, he marked out carroll at times aswell which isnt easy all footballers are mercenarys, thats the way football is im afraid Fair enough but I'd much rather have Delap, Whitehead, Whelan, Wilson or even Danny Pugh in there instead. It's not as if we miss him when he's not there. We look like a better side if anything. |
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Post by bettsy on Sept 28, 2010 13:10:48 GMT
diao is shit but has had 2 pretty good games, much prefer wilson though
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Post by PickSCFC on Sept 28, 2010 13:11:44 GMT
he played very well against fulham and he did his job on sunday by breaking up play and helping out in the defense, he marked out carroll at times aswell which isnt easy all footballers are mercenarys, thats the way football is im afraid Fair enough but I'd much rather have Delap, Whitehead, Whelan, Wilson or even Danny Pugh in there instead. It's not as if we miss him when he's not there. We look like a better side if anything. i would play delap in the middle with wilson but its nice to have decent back up |
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Post by OldStokie on Sept 28, 2010 13:24:09 GMT
Salif did ok, but he isn't the way to go for us to improve! Salif is a deep holding midfielder and nothing else. Against teams like Newcastle we need to attack and they will be there for the taking as you clearly could see in the second half. The introduction of Ric and Rory was the key to our win yesterday! I agree with much of that. But, Salif did play well and looked a far better player than he was last season when he was two yards off the pace. He is a damned good, deep, holding midfielder when he's fit, and the reason N'castle didn't get much out of us in the first half was very much down to Salif. The reason we didn't attack in the 1st half was very much down to Pulis. The reason we played well in the 2nd was the introduction of Ric, who then was able to bring the best out of Jones. He wasn't on long, but he turned the game completely. There's no substitution for skill, and Ric is out and away our most skilfull player. OS. |
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Post by RINGO STARR on Sept 28, 2010 15:19:31 GMT
Salif did ok, but he isn't the way to go for us to improve! Salif is a deep holding midfielder and nothing else. Against teams like Newcastle we need to attack and they will be there for the taking as you clearly could see in the second half. The introduction of Ric and Rory was the key to our win yesterday! I agree with much of that. But, Salif did play well and looked a far better player than he was last season when he was two yards off the pace. He is a damned good, deep, holding midfielder when he's fit, and the reason N'castle didn't get much out of us in the first half was very much down to Salif. The reason we didn't attack in the 1st half was very much down to Pulis. The reason we played well in the 2nd was the introduction of Ric, who then was able to bring the best out of Jones. He wasn't on long, but he turned the game completely. There's no substitution for skill, and Ric is out and away our most skilfull player. OS. Couldn't agree more OS. Every team needs a defensive midfielder and if you look at the most succesful teams in the Premier league, they'll all have one. Essien at Chelsea, Viera at arsenal, Keane at Utd. Not that I'm comparing us to a top four team or Salif to the aformentioned midfielders. My point is that we need to have one central defensive midfielder alongside an offrensive player or at least aplayer who is renound for their passing ability and getting in behind the front two to support them. In Diao, Whitehead, Delap and Whelan we have none of this offensive quality. Even Wilson isn't renound for his attacking qualities but he did show signs against Villa of being able to unleash a 30 yard killer through ball. It seems almost certain to me that Whitehead is Pulis' number one choice in the centre of midfield as we've seen him paired with whelan, Delap, Diao and Wilson over the last 12 months. If we are playing with Whitehead and one of the aformentioned other three middle men then its essential that you have your two most creative widemen playing (Ethers and Pennant) and you have one of either Ricardo or Tuncay starting as one of your forward men alongside SKJ as we are too one dimensional otherwise. Pulis got the first half wrong on saturday there's no question about that. The introduction of Fuller and also the half-time bollocking no doubt, changed the game. We can look at our first half performances and second half performances to date and say that inconsitency is the most commom theme. That for me is due to the fact that we're starting games with the wrong eleven at times and introducing the right players to form the right 11 at the right times. Some may call that great management, some will argue it's stubborn management to stick with tried and tested methods. All I'll say is that over the last 4 games it's been bloody effective and also bloody frustrating. |
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Post by RAF on Sept 30, 2010 12:09:12 GMT
Ok it's taken me some time to get this information accurate and have used several sources along with my own.
Diao Stats from the Newcastle game.
Total Touches of the Ball - 29
Tackles Made - 1
Tackles Missed - 5 giving away 3 fouls
Headers Won - 5
Headers Lost - 3
Passes to Stoke Players - 12
Passes Given Away - 4
The tackles stat is more worrying than anything for a player that supposedly 'Breaks Up Play'
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Post by Dr Oetcake on Sept 30, 2010 12:17:49 GMT
considering that he was apprently hired to carry the big tray of fererro rocher across the Waddo Suite, I was amazed to see his name on the team sheet.
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Post by lordb on Sept 30, 2010 12:41:30 GMT
Man City for all their big squad & rotation requirements are playing THREE DM's at the mo
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Post by w15cfc on Sept 30, 2010 19:06:01 GMT
Man City for all their big squad & rotation requirements are playing THREE DM's at the mo Three at Man City and we only need one Salif ;D he must be doing something right  |
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Post by bettsy on Sept 30, 2010 19:11:52 GMT
considering that he was apprently hired to carry the big tray of fererro rocher across the Waddo Suite, I was amazed to see his name on the team sheet. haha ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Post by stokemanusa on Oct 1, 2010 4:56:00 GMT
Salif did fine, the reason we did better the second half is the team got a come to jesus talk at half time from a livid TP. END OF STORY. STOKE NEEDS TO SHOW UP 90 FN MINS not 45.
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Post by prettyricky on Oct 1, 2010 6:58:35 GMT
Fantastic yesterday,a real master class You really dropped the ball on this one it clearly shoulda bin Take a bow, Salif Diao so it rhymes |
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Post by french toast on Oct 1, 2010 7:14:49 GMT
diao does this though, but now he's had a couple of good games he will have a few shockers where he gives away freekick after freekick.
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Post by lordb on Oct 1, 2010 12:06:04 GMT
yes he's consistently done that,i.e. come out of the cold & had 1 or sometimes 2 good solid games & then in the following games got worse & worse
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Post by pez75 on Oct 1, 2010 12:24:04 GMT
Christ, a couple of games without too many fuck-ups and some are considering making him the first name on the score sheet!
Diao is fucking wank. A player with no ability or confidence to even try to show he has any. His job is to sit in front of the back four and 'break up play' - how hard is it to look good at that?! How about we put a player there who can do the job and also pass a ball to a fellow stoke player (hopefully Wilson)? In the meantime Whitehead or Delap are more than capable of doing his job but better, without giving away as many free-kicks.
If anyone thinks that bringing this reject back anywhere near the first team is anything other than a major step backwards then you are fucking deluded.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2010 12:37:51 GMT
Christ, a couple of games without too many fuck-ups and some are considering making him the first name on the score sheet! Diao is fucking wank. A player with no ability or confidence to even try to show he has any. His job is to sit in front of the back four and 'break up play' - how hard is it to look good at that?! How about we put a player there who can do the job and also pass a ball to a fellow stoke player (hopefully Wilson)? In the meantime Whitehead or Delap are more than capable of doing his job but better, without giving away as many free-kicks. If anyone thinks that bringing this reject back anywhere near the first team is anything other than a major step backwards then you are fucking deluded. Oooii - get off that fence!! ;D |
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Post by fortressbritannia on Oct 1, 2010 12:41:20 GMT
The simple fact is that Diao is a good player for 7 games a season then he gets injured is is complete shite. Plus he has oviously tried to get a move away from the club by not signing a contract
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Post by sirpineapple89 on Oct 1, 2010 12:43:06 GMT
Christ, a couple of games without too many fuck-ups and some are considering making him the first name on the score sheet! Diao is fucking wank. A player with no ability or confidence to even try to show he has any. His job is to sit in front of the back four and 'break up play' - how hard is it to look good at that?! How about we put a player there who can do the job and also pass a ball to a fellow stoke player (hopefully Wilson)? In the meantime Whitehead or Delap are more than capable of doing his job but better, without giving away as many free-kicks. If anyone thinks that bringing this reject back anywhere near the first team is anything other than a major step backwards then you are fucking deluded. Sense. |
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Post by dozintheseventees on Oct 1, 2010 12:54:19 GMT
I love all this "Newcastle were there for the taking" shit that we're getting AFTER the game. How many of you seriously expected 3 points? Newcastle had won at Everton and Chelsea in their previous two games and we knew they were very dangerous coming forward. Pulis picked a team to contain them to half time (as he often does) and nulify their threat. We did that and gave ourselves the right to have a go at winning the game. He made the necessary changes based on what he saw in the first half and we went on to win the game, and were the better side.
Good decision making, a good performance and an excellent 3 points. Well done Pulis.
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Post by RAF on Oct 1, 2010 13:26:54 GMT
I love all this "Newcastle were there for the taking" shit that we're getting AFTER the game. How many of you seriously expected 3 points? Newcastle had won at Everton and Chelsea in their previous two games and we knew they were very dangerous coming forward. Pulis picked a team to contain them to half time (as he often does) and nulify their threat. We did that and gave ourselves the right to have a go at winning the game. He made the necessary changes based on what he saw in the first half and we went on to win the game, and were the better side. Good decision making, a good performance and an excellent 3 points. Well done Pulis. You can't honestly think there was anything good about that first half surely? H |
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Post by pez75 on Oct 1, 2010 13:30:39 GMT
I love all this "Newcastle were there for the taking" shit that we're getting AFTER the game. How many of you seriously expected 3 points? Newcastle had won at Everton and Chelsea in their previous two games and we knew they were very dangerous coming forward. Pulis picked a team to contain them to half time (as he often does) and nulify their threat. We did that and gave ourselves the right to have a go at winning the game. He made the necessary changes based on what he saw in the first half and we went on to win the game, and were the better side. Good decision making, a good performance and an excellent 3 points. Well done Pulis. You can't honestly think there was anything good about that first half surely? H Too true - If Doz or anyone else was sat there watching that first half in comfort, quietly smiling to themselves thinking "this is all part of the masterplan" then I'll eat my hat. |
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Post by dozintheseventees on Oct 1, 2010 13:38:00 GMT
RAF: It's dire to watch at times mate but the tactic was (IMO) right. Newcastle had won at Everton and Chelsea in their previous two games and (on the face of it) we would have a tough time containing them. As it happens, the combination of our negative tactics and Newcastle's dire performance meant that the first half was dreadful. It DID however, mean that we were well in the game and Pulis made the changes to both personnel and approach for us to go on and win the game. Neither Pulis, me or most other Stokies expected Newcastle to be quite that bad on the day and, when it became apparrent that we could actually attack and win the game, we did so. We did what we set out to do in that first half and, as bad as it was to watch, it nulified their threat and gave us a platform to go on and win the game. I honestly think that it was an excellent result and a good managerial performance.
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Post by RAF on Oct 1, 2010 13:47:37 GMT
It's a good job Newcastle were so fucking shit and couldn't capitalise on their massive amount of possession because we would have gone in 2 or 3 down instead of 1 and it would have been near on impossible to drag ourselves back into it.
This tactic of trying to suck up as much pressure in 45 mins as possible then hit them in the second half is very risky.
In the words of the bird in Top Gun 'The encounter was a victory , but I think we have shown this as an example of what not to do'
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