John Terry Cant Defend

[ceejays]

Ive been saying for years that Terry can only defend when facing the ball.
Any cross from say a corner or certain free kicks he is useless at heading away.
This was proven again last night when he was again glued to the ground .
Against Portugal in last Euros,against Sweden in world cup,against Paraguay and many other occasions he gets under the ball.
£130,000 a week !!
Should not even be in England squad IMHO.

[lordb]

thats OTT but if King & Woodgate could ever get & stay fit & if Richards ends up as a CB then maybe Terrys England place may not be assured

[ceejays]

I dont consider it OTT at all.
Ive been watching the guy for years get under the ball.
His behaviour off the field is not exactly that of an England captain so on that score he should be deprived of his status - and certainly there were rumblings from the FA about this before Capello arrived.
But he simply cannot defend in certain situations.
He relies on Cech to rescue him which Cech constantly does.
As long as the play is in front of him he is ok .
He lacks pace to be the bees knees as a really top class defender.
And dont forget he has had Makele in front off him - acknowledged as the best screener of a back 4 for several years - though he is now getting long in the tooth.
I think Capello will suss him out.
Yes he will probably be captain versus France but Capello's inclusion of first Villas Davies and now Wheater suggests Ferdinand/Terry are being put under pressure.I am a big Ferdinand fan but he has an achilles heel as well - as West Ham proved this year.For me Ferdinand /King or Woodgate is the best combination.

[tqstokie]

Ceejay

I agree with all you say about Terry he is vastly overrated as is Rio Ferdinand. Dennis Smith would have walked into the England set up at present.

[JoeinOz]

Terry is, like many aspects of the Premier league, ludicrously overrated.

[drjeffsdiscobarge]

Still rather have him at centre half than Ferdinand.

[BraveSirRobin]

he used to be an old fasioned English centre half.He has now turned into a moaning little bitch.

[10 Pint Potter]

not bad player but moaning wanker

always moans at being pulled down etc in opposition box but he is exactly the same if not worse in his own

[lordb]

Ferdinand is not to everyone cup of tea primarily because of his character
however when you look @ his performances @ the last 2 world cups (undoubtedly when he was focused on the actual football) he proved himself to be the best dfender we have by a mile.

[serpico]

Can't seem to park in the right place either, idiot-

www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=539397&in_page_id=1770

[Deleted]

Terry’s a top defender and will put his head in where it hurts to stop goals. I think the criticism is a bit harsh on him. He’s been one of England’s most consistent centre halves in recent years and IMO warrants a place in the side.

[bayernoatcake]

Woodgate and King are the best two centre backs in the country for me. Problem is they are never fooking fit!

[Deleted]

Woodgate is a top defender, as is King but I’d still put Terry above them both….just. Personally I’d select Carragher but he got fucked about and quit and I can’t blame him. A top performer for years and constantly overlooked.

Long term Richards is an immense prospect.

[bayernoatcake]

Carragher I think he's overated. Far too slow for my liking. A good defender but I'd have Woodgate, King, Rio and Terry over him.

[The Toxic Avenger]

Terry is like Terry Butcher - blood and guts with little finesse and no pace. It works fine in the physical world of the Premiership but doesn't translate anywhere near as well into international football.

Terry is also an utter fucktard with a thuggish goblin's face.

[Deleted]

Tad harsh on Carragher IMO but horses for course at the end of the day.

Fuck it, I’d go Shawcross and Corty!!!

[bayernoatcake]

Nah Shawcross and Riggot all the way! ;D

[Deleted]

Go 3 at the back and play ‘em all !!!

[albion]

ceejays said:

Ive been saying for years that Terry can only defend when facing the ball.
Any cross from say a corner or certain free kicks he is useless at heading away.
This was proven again last night when he was again glued to the ground .
Against Portugal in last Euros,against Sweden in world cup,against Paraguay and many other occasions he gets under the ball.
£130,000 a week !!
Should not even be in England squad IMHO.

Mate at last somebody else is aware to it.

He's easily the most overrated defender in football. He's a good player no doubt but they way the media wank him off - in particular Oliver Holt in the Mirror is disgusting. He's not even been the best defender at Chelsea in his career there. It's Carvalho now and before him it was Gallas.

Just because he's English, from London, he plays with a 'bulldog' type spirit and he plays for a fashionable club, he's lauded as being one of the best in the world, when in fact he's nowhere near. Listen to commentators next time he is playing and they always use phrases like 'that was such a brave block by John Terry' or 'only John Terry would throw himself at a shot like that' however, when Carvalho does it, the same superlatives aren't thrown at him, it's just 'blocked by Carvalho'. This emotive language forms the mindless viewers opinions for them and makes them believe that Terry is oh so wonderful.

John Terry is simply Michael Dawson in a Chelsea shirt. Plus he acts like a twat on the pitch with his constant moaning at refs and getting involved in incidents that don't concern him.

For England, Rio has had to mop up for him on countless occasions. Yet it's Rio who gets stick amongst fans and is accused of of being lazy etc. Wrong, it's just the way Rio plays. He's not lazy, he's just very calm and has a laid-back approach. If Rio was Italian, people would wank over his style 'just look at this cultured defender bringing the ball out from the back' etc etc.

However, because we are in England though, people misguidedly value spirit and effort ahead of ability. This is where Terry comes in. Just because he gives off the image of a 110% player, people get carried away and say he's brilliant.

I wish people would actually watch games and see how many times he gets done by quality players or caught out of position and then form their own opinions of him instead of letting the biased media form it for them.

It's a disgrace that he is our national captain, not only because he is a myth as a player but also because of his attitude on the pitch. As i have stated, he never stops whinging to refs.

It's also a disgrace that Jamie Carragher is not considered to be a better player than Terry for England.

I'd even have Ledley King and Woodgate ahead of Terry.

What has also aided the myth of Terry being created is the Chelsea system. With Makelele sitting in front of the backline they have had the best in the world in that position - okay so it's changing now to Mikel but the point remains. With that kind of player in front of the defence, so much pressure is relieved from them. Ironically, this system has also perpetuated the other myth that is Frank Lampard.

Stick Terry or Lampard in a 4-4-2 and neither are the same player as in a 4-5-1. It's the reason why Terry hasn't replicated his such world class, awesome, wonderful, wanktastic club form for England - because he's been playing in a 4-4-2 most of the time and there is no holding player in front of him so he gets exposed more to quality players. He's just a media darling.

I can think of times when Ronaldinho ran into him in the Nou Camp and put him on his arse, or when Rooney left him dead at Wembley, again putting Terry on his arse.

Get this geezer out of the England side and put Jamie Carragher in it.

[padders01]

Good post albion

[miltonstokie]

With you being a brazil fan i thought u'd have a preference for Rio

[albion]

miltonstokie said:

With you being a brazil fan i thought u'd have a preference for Rio

;D

Well yeah i suppose i'm biased. We've got Leon Barnett now aka Carlos Alberto at the back right now. Dunga came to scout him last week.

[ukstoke1]

I know he is crap.. much prefer Cort!!

[kingdeano]

i think terry is too slow for international football, it would be rio and richards for me.

[porsche007]

Ahhhh - the sense of relief at finally finding people who actually understand a bit about football and dont always follow the ball....

I have stated on here numerous times (only ever backed up by a few) how shockingly bad Terry is for England and "Albion" that was one of the most realistic and truthful posts I have read on here for a long time.

Looking at this neutrally - He is a good defender in the PL. As the guys says - he will head and win most balls coming to him, he is big lad, reads the game quite well (quite well) and is brave. Couple of years ago he grabbed a few goals from set pieces and was one of the better centre halves in the PL.

In WC2006 he got murdered most games. He was constantly struggling with the pace of the game and as a result this lead to the lack of coherance with Rio and Robinson.

Rio is the best defender for England right now and has been for the last 5 years overall. He has his dips and his stupid lapses from time to time - but his lapses get highlighted more as his game is based on skill, reading the game and playing the attacker and not always the ball. When it does go wrong - he gets crucified by fans everywhere as he is an easy target. He does rub people up a bit with his haircuts, fancy talk and well wide-boy persona but as a defender second to none.

The lad Lescott looks the real deal but need to do it for 1 or 2 more seasons and grow into the role - and as stated the likes of King, Woodgate, etc are all very very good defenders. Football however is about the level they regularly play and right now neither King or Woodgate has put any run together or truly dominated that position over 2,3,4 seasons for a club. Fergie has never dropped Rio in the last 5 years despite his stupid contract dispute and all as he know he is a rock overall and attackers just dont get a look in (especially with a hardman old-fashioned CH like vidic next to him)

Carragher is under-rated and should have won more caps. However i think he would admit that when it comes to moving the team up the park - he is limited and you end up relying on a defensive midfielder needed. For England we didnt want this during his peak times at Liverpool - and i think a slight lack of pace and lack of skill and passing just kept Carragher on the edge.

Richards again needs to get his head out of his arse and learn his trade. I read his BBC article and right now he smacks at someone who thinks he has made it and thats it. I hope im proved wrong as Rio has 2 more years at the top left and we need natural replacements.

Anyone want to discuss RB and LB

[kingdeano]

it all depends if king is fit, if he is then richards right back, as for left back i dont think we have a quality international one available

[Mr_DaftBurger]

Is the title of this thread an order as in.

"John Terry, Cant (southern accent), defend!"