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Post by Robo10 on Jun 28, 2010 8:10:55 GMT
Have little to add to the 101 scathing posts about the overpaid tossbags, agree with everybodys anger and disappointment.
I like Capello, I hope he stays on but he needs to rid the national side of the so called 'Golden Generation', who have had 5 tournaments (World Cups in 2002, 06, 10 and Euros in 2004, 08) but have won fuck all - its just a shame we qualified so easily this time and built everybodys hopes up again after the failure to qualify for Euro 08.
For the future?
He should make a statement and get rid of Terry, Ferdinand Lampard, Barry, SWP, Heskey, Upson, J Cole and any other deadwood
James is now too old, Green has made a career of unfortunate errors
Rooney should be put on a warning and his behaviour/body language addressed, something was obviously amiss with him during the tournament as pub players had better ball control than in 4 games during the cup
Glen Johnson is so overated its untrue
For the friendly in August (against Hungary, stupid time for a game) I would be surprised to see the ground half full, but he should pick a brand new team of young lads with potential
I would keep Gerrard as captain, he at least put a shift in and you need to keep some experience in the team
Joe Hart
(Do we have any other decent keepers? Am struggling!)
Micah Richards
Ryan Shawcross
Gary Cahill
James Tomkins
Ashley Cole
(Be interesting if Smalling improves at ManUre under SAF)
Steven Gerrard (capt)
Jack Rodwell
Jack Wilshere
Dan Gosling (when fit)
Ashley Young
Adam Johnson
Aaron Lennon
James Milner
(Our Matty won't get a look in, to be fair he is too inconsistent.)
Wayne Rooney
Gabby Agbonlahor
Peter Crouch (not sure why he wasn't used against a poor German centre half pairing!)
Jermain Defoe
Time for a new broom me thinks.
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Post by Robo10 on Jun 28, 2010 8:12:50 GMT
Paul Robinson for reserve keeper - had a super season for Blackburn
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Post by lordeffinghamhunt on Jun 28, 2010 8:16:31 GMT
The two Villa players that you have mentioned have been very poor this season
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Post by hitman on Jun 28, 2010 8:18:06 GMT
robo thats the shake up i want to see, but it wont happen, nobodys got the balls do it
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2010 8:19:30 GMT
Terry, Lamps, Gerrard, Rooney, Johnson, Cole – I’d fuck ‘em all off. Hart
Onuoha Shawcross Cahill Gibbs
Wilshire Rodwell Huddlestone
A Johnson Walcott
Sturridge |
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Post by Robo10 on Jun 28, 2010 8:22:47 GMT
Still young though Lord, think they have bags of potential
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Post by lordeffinghamhunt on Jun 28, 2010 8:24:32 GMT
Agreed. I to would fork all the old as beens off.
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Post by salopstick on Jun 28, 2010 8:25:20 GMT
We need to change from 4-4-2 our tactics have not moved on and we have an unwillingness and unflexibility to change to change
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Post by hitman on Jun 28, 2010 8:27:14 GMT
Terry, Lamps, Gerrard, Rooney, Johnson, Cole – I’d fuck ‘em all off. Hart
Onuoha Shawcross Cahill Gibbs
Wilshire Rodwell Huddlestone
A Johnson Walcott
Sturridge id love see someone with the balls do it, so what, we might lose but fuck me they would show pride and grit, i know one thing for sure when that ball bounced yesterday id have put my mortgage on ryan knocking that german out the way for it, never mind being brushed off it |
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Post by lordeffinghamhunt on Jun 28, 2010 8:28:10 GMT
No. We need to play full paced Premier league stlye football. Take no notice of others around the world when they say we play kick an rush football. Kick and rush football makes our premier league teams quite successful in Europe.
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Post by Bick on Jun 28, 2010 8:30:23 GMT
James Tomkins?!?.....
He is young.... but every time I have seen him... he has looked worried, nervous and full of mistakes. Never make the grade imo.
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Post by DodgyDino on Jun 28, 2010 8:32:55 GMT
My worry is Capello puts square pegs in round holes just like our own T.P. and makes some weird decisions at times so for those reasons i wouldnt keep him, I totally agree with making whole sale changes though.
The problem is the English footballing public are very fickle and if the side was completley rebuilt would they accept a few oddball results to lesser teams during the rebuilding period....I dont think so
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Post by Robo10 on Jun 28, 2010 8:34:15 GMT
I'm not overly sure on the tactics hysteria - nobody was complaining about them during qualification when we were spanking Croatia etc!
Agree he needs to change things during games depending on the situation - at 3-1 down yesterday he should have sacrificed a defender (Upson) and chucked Crouch on
We have no pace though in that side, and tended to pass backwards/sideways before a big hoof (usually out of play)
Englands attacks were one of three or four options -
Johnson gets the ball down the right flank and either smashes it too hard out for a throw, or hits the first defenders arse and possession is given up
A few pissy passy sideways knockes followed by a long hopeful punt goes out of play and possession is given up
Rooney gets it to feet as demanded but miscontrols and possession is given up
Lampard or Gerrard shoots and folk are still looking for the ball now, but possession is given up
Was a funny comment on the BBC yesterday - they said that the Germans seemed quite happy to leave Upson in space to receive the ball as that usually meant they would be getting it back very soon!
There is a theme....
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Post by Bick on Jun 28, 2010 8:38:14 GMT
forgot my team:
------------------- Joe Hart -----------------------
Onuoha --- Shawcross --- Cahill --- K. Gibbs
Johnson --- Huddlestone --- Rodwell --- Young
------------ Rooney ---- Agbonlahor --------------
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Post by DodgyDino on Jun 28, 2010 8:39:56 GMT
The deciding factor for me that Capello didnt seem to know what he was doing was when he brought Heskey on, We are needing to go for goals and he brings Heskey on would you believe it.
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Post by Gods on Jun 28, 2010 8:56:03 GMT
Here is the group we have to get out of by way of a reminder:
GROUP G: Montenegro,Wales, Bulgaria, Switzerland, ENGLAND
Anyone remember if it is 1 or 2 through or perhaps 1 plus a best placed 2nd or some kind of play-offs for the 2nd placed teams ?
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Post by slskman on Jun 28, 2010 9:01:17 GMT
what about Nathan Delfouneso who plays for Villa.Young lad looked good in the F.A.Cup and in the premier games he played.scored a few aswell.Maybe one for 2014
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Post by evans1863 on Jun 28, 2010 9:19:27 GMT
Hart
Warnock Dawson Shawcross Cole
Milner Noble
A.Young Gerrard A.Johnson
Rooney
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Post by twigginater on Jun 28, 2010 9:23:11 GMT
Fucking hell people. Richards? Tomkins? Gibbs? Gibbs has played about 4 games and made a mistake in 5 of them. He's toss.
Hart
Brown - Ferdinand - Terry - Cole
Milner - Lampard - Rodwell - Johnson
Rooney - Bent
That's who I'd play.
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Post by knowles on Jun 28, 2010 9:24:58 GMT
I'm not a massive fan of his, but there is no doubt we missed Rio Ferdinand at the back. I am so pissed off that Matthew Upson can say to his grandkids "I scored at the World Cup"- is there a more useless defender at this tournament? I think not.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2010 9:24:23 GMT
Fucking hell people. Richards? Tomkins? Gibbs? Gibbs has played about 4 games and made a mistake in 5 of them. He's toss. Hart Brown - Ferdinand - Terry - Cole Milner - Lampard - Rodwell - Johnson Rooney - Bent That's who I'd play. Brown is shit. Lampard is shit. Bent is shit. Rooney has shown he has no bottle for the big stage. As did most of the others. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2010 9:25:55 GMT
I'm not a massive fan of his, but there is no doubt we missed Rio Ferdinand at the back. I am so pissed off that Matthew Upson can say to his grandkids "I scored at the World Cup"- is there a more useless defender at this tournament? I think not. “useless”. That is a bit harsh. To be “useless” you are “of no use”, “a waste of time” or “ineffective”. I would argue that he was very much of “use” to any team that we played against. |
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Post by Roy Cropper on Jun 28, 2010 10:27:19 GMT
I don't understand this hatred for Gerrard, IMO he had a good WC and was let down by his team mates.
Lampard on the other hand was awful, as was Johnson who was no where in sight for most goals yesterday. Barry is to slow for international football.
The stars of the future IMO are now, Wilshire, Rodwell, Shawcross, Gibbs, Walcott, Hart, Milner. All have the capability to make it at the top level.
I see Wilshire and
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Post by wembley4372 on Jun 28, 2010 10:33:46 GMT
I don't understand this hatred for Gerrard, IMO he had a good WC and was let down by his team mates. Lampard on the other hand was awful, as was Johnson who was no where in sight for most goals yesterday. Barry is to slow for international football. The stars of the future IMO are now, Wilshire, Rodwell, Shawcross, Gibbs, Walcott, Hart, Milner. All have the capability to make it at the top level. I see Wilshire and Pay more attention to the impact that Gerrard wandering off wherever he feels like has on the rest of the team as they struggle to cover for him and you might understand better. |
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Post by rorymscfc on Jun 28, 2010 10:35:24 GMT
Gerrard had a decent World Cup in patches but I though his decision making yesterday was awful - how many hopeless shots did he have from improbable angles that served no other purpose than to surrender possession and lose any chance of building up momentum?
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 28, 2010 10:35:44 GMT
More to the point, why did the $6m man continue to play him there?
Is he blind to the knock-on effects it produced in the rest of the team shape?
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Post by Roy Cropper on Jun 28, 2010 10:36:03 GMT
Gerrard's job is an attacking role, it's not his job to sit back and cover for the defence, that's Barry and Lampard's job.
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Post by wembley4372 on Jun 28, 2010 10:38:01 GMT
Gerrard had a decent World Cup in patches but I though his decision making yesterday was awful - how many hopeless shots did he have from improbable angles that served no other purpose than to surrender possession and lose any chance of building up momentum? Add in his long passes that failed and you've pretty well come to the conclusion that he shouldn't have been on the pitch and didn't have a decent world cup - well done  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2010 10:38:07 GMT
Gerrard was shit yesterday.
I can recall 3 instances where he chose to shoot when there were better options on for a pass.
I could put up with it if they were decent efforts but every one was fucking woeful.
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Post by Moosehead on Jun 28, 2010 10:51:25 GMT
The Telegraph have printed a speculative team for 2014, and the age they will be then:
Hart (27)
Johnson (29) - Rodwell (23) - Dawson (30) - Gibbs (24)
Milner (28) - Huddlestone (27)
Lennon (27) - Wilshere (22) - Johnson (26)
Rooney (28)
I'd quite like to throw something like that together now, with a few others around the fringe, and have a new, settled squad together for the next 4 years. So they may lack experience, and may not show well at the Euros (is at all). But playing together for some 40 games at a guess between now and the world cup would surely stand the team in good stead.
Sadly I can't see it happening, and all of the 'golden generation' will hang on for as long as possible, and pass off whatever choking influence onto the next generation.
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