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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2008 21:48:35 GMT
Games in which Mama has started P 28 W 15 D 9 L 4 PTS 54 Ave pts per game 1.93
Games without Mama P 11 W 3 D 4 L 4 PTS 13 Ave pts per game 1.18
Love him or loathe him he's a vital cog in the wheel............
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Post by potter84 on Mar 16, 2008 21:53:14 GMT
Stats speak for them selves - MAMA is soooooooo vital to Stoke City - hes gonna score & assist sum big goals between now & the end of the season. GOAAARRRNN BIG MAMA
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Post by Butters on Mar 16, 2008 21:56:05 GMT
I swear Nobody can spell Sidibe on this board.
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Post by lurcherman on Mar 16, 2008 21:57:47 GMT
Mamade bayor
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banksie66
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Post by banksie66 on Mar 16, 2008 21:59:33 GMT
If those stats are correct then Mama must be included in the team.
If you take a top class example of a player who uses the positive assets Sidibe has (bear with me on this one!) such as hold-up play and flick-ons, then you'd have Didier Drogba. GRANTED Drogba's crossing and finishing are in a different league to Mama's (not hard!). That's why Drogba cost £23.8m and plays for Chelsea.
Going on from there, who do you think out there could take Sidibe's role and sytle of play (important to the team as above) and improve the team but be still affordable?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2008 22:00:08 GMT
PP
given you K since this info is something I suspected
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Post by DentySCFC on Mar 16, 2008 22:03:46 GMT
You just can't argue with those stats. MAMA IN!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2008 22:26:48 GMT
oops, edited
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Post by Spiderman on Mar 17, 2008 8:29:54 GMT
Played 28 scored 2! they are the only stats that count for a striker, the rest is a damning condemnation on Pulis's inability to adapt his tactics to suit the team.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2008 8:46:28 GMT
when you're struggling maybe but not when you have Lawrence , Cort, Cresswell and Shawcross chipping in with nearly 40 goals between them. Let's not overlook the main fact here. We are 2nd top scorers in the league, therefore Pulis is totally justified in his decision to stick with Mama PS Mama's record is 2 in 7 which is actually better than Fuller's
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2008 10:06:30 GMT
They are not the only stats that count for a support striker in the modern game and to suggest they are, as poor as Mama's goal record is, is utter, utter bollocks Stokeyo.
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Post by stokiesam on Mar 17, 2008 11:13:27 GMT
"Played 28 scored 2! they are the only stats that count for a striker, the rest is a damning condemnation on Pulis's inability to adapt his tactics to suit the team." If I see this (or similar) once more I'll probably scream The only stat that counts in football is that your team scores (at least) one more than the other one. Who scores the goals is irrelevant. As long as your system means that goals are scored, and Mama is a big part of that system. If we were struggling to score goals I'd understand the bitching and moaning, but recently (Until this last week), Our problem has been that we've had to score 3 goals to win a game, being unable to keep a clean sheet. If the guy was a 15 goal a season striker, he'd be in the Premiership already, I have a suspicion that if we do go up, he will be a casualty, and we will move for some one similar but better (Heskey?). But until then... IMHO the guy does the job he's asked to do, and does it well. The position we are in now is in no small way due to the massive contribution he puts in every game. When he plays for us he'll get my 100% support, and when he finally leaves, I'll wish him well, and thank him for a job well done.
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Post by potters 22 on Mar 17, 2008 11:41:28 GMT
;D
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Post by ParaPsych on Mar 17, 2008 12:07:37 GMT
I'm amazed he's missed 11 games? I know he missed a few for the African nations, and he obviously didn't play at the weekend, but what others has he missed?
What's the full list?
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Post by StoKeith on Mar 17, 2008 12:16:11 GMT
These are the games he's played in according to Soccerbase. The number after each game indicates the number of goals he scored in the game. 11-08-2007 Football League Championship Cardiff 0-1 Stoke 0 14-08-2007 English League Cup Rochdale 2-2 Stoke 0 18-08-2007 Football League Championship Stoke 2-1 Charlton 0 25-08-2007 Football League Championship Southampton 3-2 Stoke 0 01-09-2007 Football League Championship Stoke 0-0 Wolves 0 15-09-2007 Football League Championship Hull City 1-1 Stoke 0 18-09-2007 Football League Championship Stoke 0-0 Barnsley 0 22-09-2007 Football League Championship Stoke 3-2 Plymouth 0 03-10-2007 Football League Championship West Brom 1-1 Stoke 0 06-10-2007 Football League Championship Stoke 2-1 Colchester 0 10-11-2007 Football League Championship Stoke 0-1 Sheff Utd 0 24-11-2007 Football League Championship Burnley 0-0 Stoke 0 27-11-2007 Football League Championship Stoke 3-1 QPR 0 01-12-2007 Football League Championship Stoke 2-1 Norwich 0 04-12-2007 Football League Championship Sheff Utd 0-3 Stoke 0 09-12-2007 Football League Championship Stoke 0-0 Watford 0 15-12-2007 Football League Championship Blackpool 2-3 Stoke 0 22-12-2007 Football League Championship Stoke 3-1 West Brom 0 26-12-2007 Football League Championship Barnsley 3-3 Stoke 0 29-12-2007 Football League Championship Plymouth 2-2 Stoke 0 01-01-2008 Football League Championship Stoke 1-1 Hull City 0 06-01-2008 English FA Cup Stoke 0-0 Newcastle 0 21-01-2008 African Nations Cup Mali 1-0 Benin 0 02-02-2008 Football League Championship Stoke 2-1 Cardiff 0 09-02-2008 Football League Championship Wolves 2-4 Stoke 0 12-02-2008 Football League Championship Stoke 3-2 Southampton 1 15-02-2008 Football League Championship Stoke 3-2 Scunthorpe 0 23-02-2008 Football League Championship Stoke 1-0 Ipswich 0 26-02-2008 Football League Championship Preston 2-0 Stoke 0 02-03-2008 Football League Championship QPR 3-0 Stoke 0 08-03-2008 Football League Championship Stoke 1-1 Burnley 0 11-03-2008 Football League Championship Norwich 0-1 Stoke 1
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2008 12:21:56 GMT
ParaPsych FYI:
Barnsley (h) 0-0 Leicester (a) 1-1 Sheff Wed (h) 2-4 Crystal Pal (a) 3-1 Bristol City (a) 0-1 Coventry (h) 1-3 Scunthorpe (a) 3-2 Ipswich (a) 1-1 Preston (h) 3-1 Charlton (a) 0-1 Watford (a) 0-0
he missed a few early on due to a shin injury if memory serves me right........
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Post by ParaPsych on Mar 17, 2008 12:22:35 GMT
Right, he missed 5 games in October/November then. I don't remember that though, I must be getting old.
I don't we can tell anything conclusive from that. He mainly missed away games, in which the results don't look all that bad, the two we lost being against good sides.
The two most obvious bad results are Wednesday and Coventry at home, but we should have been able to defend better more than anything.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 17, 2008 12:34:45 GMT
He is vital which in itself is worrying for me. We rely on a distinctively footballer to be the cornerstone of the team and when he's out everything falls apart. Is it just me who thinks that wank? It shows that we have no plan B for when Mama isn't playing and with the players we have, we bloody well ought too! It shows the limitations of Pulis. Because when Mama is out we still play like he's there-that's the problem not the fact Mama is out. No matter if its Fuller, Cresswell or Parkin up front we still hit long balls to their heads. You can tell none of them want the bal there! That's the problem with Mama being out.
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Post by FullerMagic on Mar 17, 2008 12:37:32 GMT
It is STAGGERING that we haven't got a replacement big lump who can do a passable imitation of Mama, being as the gameplan we have largely revolves around such a player.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 17, 2008 12:40:57 GMT
It is STAGGERING that we haven't got a replacement big lump who can do a passable imitation of Mama, being as the gameplan we have largely revolves around such a player. It is FM! Adebola would've been a steal for that job. A far more better player than Mama and he can score a few.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2008 12:45:39 GMT
Adebola would have been a great addition to the squad IMO. Similar in style to Mama but with a greater eye for goal. Would have been a snip at £300k or whatever he cost....
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Post by FullerMagic on Mar 17, 2008 12:47:42 GMT
God knows he's really limited in some ways.
But being as he's so central to the way we play and manage to pick up points, it's amazing that we haven't got another player of his ilk in the squad ready to step in.
Even some of the players in recent weeks have publicly called him "crucial", "key", "most important cog in our wheel" - and yet when he's out we have no-one remotely like him to step in and it normally seems to fall apart completely as we can't adapt.
If Mama is out for any length of time (interesting they haven't been very forthcoming on how long he is actually out for), surely we'll see a big lad come in this week as Bothroyd is no kind of replacement for him?
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Post by apb1 on Mar 17, 2008 12:50:50 GMT
It is STAGGERING that we haven't got a replacement big lump who can do a passable imitation of Mama, being as the gameplan we have largely revolves around such a player. It is FM! Adebola would've been a steal for that job. A far more better player than Mama and he can score a few. Yet some Bristol City fans don't rate him - 'poor slow and static'. www.otib.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=95604Sidibe on his day stretches defences, closes people down, and generally works his butt off. A bit more than a big lump, imho ??? I wish Gally, Whelan and co had shown more of the silky passing I was hoping for on Saturday but they looked slow and devoid of ideas. Still don't think we will play as bad as that again.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 17, 2008 12:57:37 GMT
It is FM! Adebola would've been a steal for that job. A far more better player than Mama and he can score a few. Yet some Bristol City fans don't rate him - 'poor slow and static'. www.otib.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=95604Sidibe on his day stretches defences, closes people down, and generally works his butt off. A bit more than a big lump, imho ??? I wish Gally, Whelan and co had shown more of the silky passing I was hoping for on Saturday but they looked slow and devoid of ideas. Still don't think we will play as bad as that again. Our Tone wouldn't let him do that though, would he? I like Mama, I just wish he'd stick more in the back of the net. I don't think his flick ons do anything-nobody knows where they are going and his passing recently has been woeful. It just worries me that we rely on such a bloody average player.
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Post by apb1 on Mar 17, 2008 13:03:26 GMT
If we could get a better player in I'd drop Mama straight away, along with every other member of the team in the same circumstances.
I just don't think it's as easy as people make out to bring these players in.
To be fair to Mama he's not alone in having a dodgy spell - I'm praying that Fuller and Lawrence are taking some deep breaths ready for the final charge. Maybe Mama can use his enforced layoff to get himself back to his (albeit limited) best.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 17, 2008 13:06:59 GMT
I hope so too, but Mama in recent weeks has looked a tad lazy to me and hasn't even been winning headers. When he does neither of them, he has to be subbed because after that is taken away You've got a passenger in the game.
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Post by lordb on Mar 17, 2008 13:22:02 GMT
its a problem isnt it.
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Post by fromafar07 on Mar 17, 2008 13:23:40 GMT
if you would have asked me last weekk i would have said i dont agree but Stoke are a better team with him in the lienup !!
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Post by mozzer68 on Mar 17, 2008 14:56:06 GMT
2 goals in 28 games isn't good enough. OK so he contributes a lot more with using his strength. but lets put this into perspective. With the goals been scored from other areas this season- Shawcross, Creswell, Lawerence, it is easier to be more forgiving towards Sidibe. I have nothing against him & wouldn't dream of booing him (or any other Stoke player) but as i said his goal tally simply isn't good enough, I really think it is time Gallagher had a decent run in the side.
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Post by growler on Mar 17, 2008 16:03:52 GMT
Lies, damned lies and statistics...All this rproves is that Pulis is incapable of getting his players to adapt to more than one style of play. You would have to be Crutff, Platini and Pele rolled into one to get away with scoring two goals in nearly a season and still be effective.
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