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Post by Bowd1863 on Jun 19, 2010 16:21:46 GMT
I think go 4-2-3-1: James
Johnson Dawson Terry Cole
Lampard Barry
Lennon Gerrard Cole Rooney I think that would suit our 'key' players like Gerrard as he's used to that role for liverpool. We could keep the ball better with lampard and barry holdng their position like de jong and van bommel for holland and best of all Roon Dog would be unleashed to lead the line like he does for the shit. Fuck this "out ball" bollocks I'd go with this team and formation too...but if they can't pass the ball to each other we're fucked.
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Post by RAF on Jun 19, 2010 16:22:44 GMT
Good Spot Beardy.
I meant to put Milner in the middle with Lampard and leave just three at the back with Barry playing the holding role just in front of the defence.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2010 16:23:16 GMT
I'm sure we've played Gerrard just off Rooney before a couple of times and it was a horrendous disaster because neither of them are positionally disciplined to stick to their position and they kept getting in each other's way.
That said, I'm absolutely fuckered if I know what the solution is, and something obviously has to change.
I don't get why Capello, one of the best managers ever, arguably, has completely lost his shit right at the time when we need him most. He's made so many frankly unfathomable decisions, and if the FA decide to sack him if we go out on Wednesday you couldn't blame them.
It's time for a purge of the "golden generation" I think. I agree with Paul, there's a shocking sense of entitlement among the squad, thinking they just have to turn up and not really try, thinking they're owed the unbowing adoration of the fans regardless of how they perform etc.
Maybe it's time we did what Germany did around '98 and just got rid of the big names and built a team of hungry young lions like Milner, Huddlestone, Hart etc. Fuck Gerrard, Lampard, Terry, Rio and their ilk off and never select them again.
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Post by jarhead on Jun 19, 2010 17:02:04 GMT
James Johnson Dawson Terry Cole Lennon Lampard Barry J. Cole Gerrard Rooney Same as that.
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Post by MrMagic on Jun 19, 2010 17:09:54 GMT
Hart
Johnson Dawson Terry Cole
Lennon Gerrard Barry Cole
Bent rooney
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2010 17:12:42 GMT
Hart Johnson Dawson Terry Cole Lennon Gerrard Barry Cole Bent rooney He hasn't taken Bent has he?
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Post by MrMagic on Jun 19, 2010 17:14:48 GMT
He bloody should have done! We don't look like we have a goal in us and we left someone wih 20+ Premiership goals out of the side!!!!
Alright, I'll be sensibe
Defoe Rooney
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2010 17:22:08 GMT
He bloody should have done! We don't look like we have a goal in us and we left someone wih 20+ Premiership goals out of the side!!!! Alright, I'll be sensibe Defoe Rooney Never scored a goal between them when they've played together though - just doesn't seem to work (possibly because Defoe has zero football brain). Having said that, something else has got to be given a try, because the current system sure as shit isn't working.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 19, 2010 17:44:08 GMT
Joe Cole has to play, he is the one English player that unlock defences with clever football.
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Post by PotterLog on Jun 19, 2010 19:06:23 GMT
Previously I would have agreed with pushing Gerrard up with Rooney and playing J Cole on the left. But fuck it, after yesterday I'd be more inclined to do something along the lines of RVD's suggestion above:
James Johnson Upson Dawson A Cole Milner Barry Carrick J Cole Crouch Defoe
They could not possibly do any worse than yesterday.
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Post by shoey100 on Jun 20, 2010 17:16:27 GMT
Rooney has been terrible in the 2 games so I'm sorry but he should be dropped.
James Johnson Terry Dawson Cole
Lennon Gerrard Milner/Barry Cole
Defoe Crouch
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Post by salopstick on Jun 21, 2010 10:39:11 GMT
upson confirmed to play
bbc 5 live
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Post by One-Two on Jun 21, 2010 10:49:48 GMT
upson confirmed to play bbc 5 live Oh God Dawson is a far, far better player.
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Post by jimmygscfc on Jun 21, 2010 10:51:06 GMT
If Dawson was going to feature he'd have made the trip originally. Upson plays by default. And if anyone thinks that Rooney will be dropped they'd better think again. Same for Gerrard and Lampard. However, I'd think about playing Cole and Lennon wide and dropping Barry but I don't think this will happen either. To be honest, Lennon looked clueless in both games and didn't use his pace so he'll have to up his performance along with everyone else. Crouch has to play for longer purely by dint of his goalscoring record for England.
PS We'll win by the way ;D
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Jun 21, 2010 11:05:06 GMT
James Johnson Cole Terry Upson Carrick Barry Lennon Joe Cole Gerrard Rooney
Get the full backs wide with two solid holding midfield players and play Gerrard and Joe Cole off Rooney , this is how Brazil are playing and they look the best all round team to me . Also Carrick is a decent passer of the ball which should help us keep it.
In this formation Rooney Gerrard and Cole could simply focus on causing their defence a problem
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Post by Lightwood on Jun 21, 2010 11:36:34 GMT
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Post by milfman1 on Jun 21, 2010 13:26:24 GMT
hart johnson dawson terry cashley
joe cole lampard carrick milner
defoe crouch
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Post by liamscfc93 on Jun 21, 2010 14:39:12 GMT
James Johnson Upson Terry Cole Milner Gerrard Barry J.Cole Rooney Heskey
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Post by PoisonedDonkey on Jun 21, 2010 15:58:12 GMT
Hart Johnson - Terry - Dawson - A. Cole Lennon - Barry - Lampard - J. Cole Gerrard Defoe
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Post by markscfc72 on Jun 21, 2010 20:29:12 GMT
England are wearing an all red kit, shorts an all. I also believe this is the first time in our history
according to Tim Lovejoy
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Post by stokie12345 on Jun 21, 2010 21:20:39 GMT
England are wearing an all red kit, shorts an all. I also believe this is the first time in our history according to Tim Lovejoy That man's knowledge of football is the same as my knowledge of 1950's Stamp Collections in Plymouth
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Post by PickSCFC on Jun 21, 2010 22:47:59 GMT
james johnson upson terry cole lennon barry gerrard cole crouch defoe
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Post by mumph on Jun 22, 2010 3:06:26 GMT
Since I have no faith in England getting their shit sorted out and it is bizarre why Capello has had a brain implosion at such a crucial time - the most important decision for me is: 1) Do I watch the game at home or do out to the pub? 2) If I go out do I go to TST or over to Wanchai? TST is relatively safe but if I go to Wanchai it could be a 6am finish and it's a school night. 3) If I stay in do I play wine up front and stay with it for the whole game or go for Ice Cold Lager? ICL can result in many trips to the bog but in this weather it's refreshing.
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Post by gaznandi on Jun 22, 2010 10:39:57 GMT
Apparently if he sticks to 4.4.2 he's fucking Heskey off and putting Defoe in his place, with SWP to replace Lennon....
And according to reports they have tried the 4.4.1.1 in training that we all want him to go with....
So basically its still all pure speculation.....
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Post by mumph on Jun 22, 2010 11:11:56 GMT
Well the last two games were 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1 so I guess anything will be an improvement.
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Post by Mr Rottweiler on Jun 22, 2010 11:28:52 GMT
Why has the talksport thread been locked?
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Post by biggyendpotter on Jun 22, 2010 15:23:10 GMT
Since I have no faith in England getting their shit sorted out and it is bizarre why Capello has had a brain implosion at such a crucial time - the most important decision for me is: 1) Do I watch the game at home or do out to the pub? 2) If I go out do I go to TST or over to Wanchai? TST is relatively safe but if I go to Wanchai it could be a 6am finish and it's a school night. 3) If I stay in do I play wine up front and stay with it for the whole game or go for Ice Cold Lager? ICL can result in many trips to the bog but in this weather it's refreshing. Could not agree more!
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Post by Han Solo on Jun 22, 2010 16:14:48 GMT
James
Johnson Terry (by default) Dawson Cole
Lennon Barry Gerrard Milner
Cole
Rooney
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Post by stokie12345 on Jun 22, 2010 18:41:05 GMT
JAMES JOHNSON DAWSON TERRY COLE LENNON GERRARD BARRY LAMPARD COLE ROONEY
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Post by armitagestokie on Jun 22, 2010 20:34:09 GMT
Greece stopped Argies from playing for 80mins and took Messi almost out of the game. I've a feeling that the Slov's will play a similar role,man mark rooney and lets hope he keeps his cool.The question is can we break down a team that play 10 men always behind the ball?
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