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Post by Trouserdog on Jun 18, 2010 21:13:18 GMT
Pick eleven players from the fattest,most unfit Sunday league squad in Britain and you wouldn't see a performance as bad as that.
Fucking useless.
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Post by Beardy200 on Jun 18, 2010 21:15:01 GMT
He's just too slow and for a defensive midfielder he never makes a tackle. If staying deep and harrying is all he's there to do then we may as well play Carrick. At least he's a bit quicker and can actually make a pass or two. Yeah, a backwards pass! Barry made loads of forward passes did he? Whenever he gets it the whole pace of the play comes to a stand still. I'd play anybody in there in front of Barry, especially when he's been ordinary for 2 years and isn't even fit.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 18, 2010 21:16:44 GMT
Scott Parker must have been shite in Austria not to get picked.
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Post by Beardy200 on Jun 18, 2010 21:20:32 GMT
Scott Parker must have been shite in Austria not to get picked. Exactly. Been in the form of his life all season and didn't even get 2 minutes in the friendlies before being shipped off home. All from the coach who says he picks players who are fit and in form regardless of past reputation.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 18, 2010 21:29:21 GMT
Aren't Rooney, Gerrard and Lampard the difference-makers for the biggest clubs in Europe though?
And aren't all the rest of 'em in the top 30-40 players in the Prem?
Is the smothering fear of failure in ginormous summer tournament football uniquely inhibiting to our lot?
How different is the dynamic of the average Prem game to the average World Cup game?
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Post by serpico on Jun 18, 2010 21:38:06 GMT
Is hard to put your finger on exactly why we're so poor, when you go through the players they're all quality, and should EASILY have enough to beat the likes of Algeria, but for some reason it never clicks.
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Post by Beardy200 on Jun 18, 2010 21:43:57 GMT
Is hard to put your finger on exactly why we're so poor, when you go through the players they're all quality, and should EASILY have enough to beat the likes of Algeria, but for some reason it never clicks. I still think it's a combination of two things mainly: 1.) They are all overated, overhyped and not as good as they think they are. 2.) They are a bunch of gutless choke artists who are too scared of making a mistake so everything happens mechanically at half the speed it should do.
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Post by bogus on Jun 18, 2010 21:55:29 GMT
.....................................James
Johnson.............Dawson............Terry.............Cole
......................................Carrick...............................
.......................Lampard...................Gerrard
lennon..............................................................Cole
....................................Rooney..................................
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Post by PoisonedDonkey on Jun 18, 2010 21:58:15 GMT
Hart Johnson - Dawson - Terry- A. Cole J. Cole - Lampard - Gerrard - Barry Defoe - Crouch
Rooney on the next flight into Manchester.
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Post by nott1 on Jun 18, 2010 22:01:53 GMT
I'd bring the team home NOW, before we get slaughtered!
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Post by actongatestokie on Jun 18, 2010 22:11:44 GMT
What on earth has Lennon done over the last two games to justify inclusion in so many supporters' team for Slovenia?
The bloke is a winger who has put in two performances Gerry McMahon would have struggled to drop to. He didn't beat his man once tonight.
Rooney and Heskey have had to drop as deep as their own penalty area tonight to even get a sniff of the ball. Lampard, you can count the amount of times he's touched the ball over the last two games on one hand - pathetic!
As for the manager, where do you start? Taking Beckham is his biggest mistake in management. What on earth is he doing there? 'Player liason' with management? Is 5M a year not enough to buy you a mouth to talk to your players? Is he fit, yes or no? If he is then take him as a player. If he isn't then bloody well leave him at home.
Bodging his captain onto the left wing? Refusing to allow any creative freedom to 10 players then allowing Rooney far too much? What are we, Italy mk II with kick and rush players dreadfully failing to play a defensive containing game?
What on earth was the idea behind subbing Barry for Crouch only to shove Rooney out onto the left wing? Has Postman Pat ever heard of 4-3-3? Christ, he makes Pulis look like a risk taking Johan Boskamp on speed!
Cappello has been tactically out thought and out fought by Algeria and USA. Gudjon Thordarson had more success than that with Iceland and he got found out against the Vale in the English third division!
As for Rooney - you're an arse. Fancy your own fans booing you? Ever stopped to think how much they've shelled out to travel to watch Lampard touch the ball 5 times in 180 minutes worth of football whilst you ponce about on the edge of your own box?
I never thought i'd see the day when I was sitting and hoping that an opposition team would score in the last few minutes of a game to ensure our players and manager got exactly what they deserve - an early exit and a reception at Heathrow to match their performances.
Pathetic the lot of them and an absolute disgrace to the country.
No skill, no heart, no brain and definitely no pride.
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Post by serpico on Jun 18, 2010 22:15:31 GMT
Lennon is in purely because he has at least some pace, without a Lennon or SWP's the team is TOTALLY bereft of pace.
Capello seems to be going with planB before trying a plan A.
PlanB should be bringing Heskey on and going long.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 18, 2010 22:20:26 GMT
In what universe was SWP the right first sub to bring on?
Staggering.
Trying to apportion blame tonight is like the little Dutch kid with his finger in the dyke though.
The media are going to have a shitstorm and a half over this. Sadly, I think that'll just compound the problem.
I just can't understand how these world superstars, who thrive on the pressure of crucial Premier League games and Champions League semi-finals are reduced to quivering wrecks, who are scared of the ball, when they put a white shirt on
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Post by actongatestokie on Jun 18, 2010 22:22:26 GMT
Whats the use of pace if you don't have the balls or the brass neck to take on your man and use it?
He might aswell sit in the stands blowing on a Vuvuzela.
You can stick in any grinder from the lower leagues and ask him to pass it backwards, sideways or cut inside and give it away.
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Post by serpico on Jun 18, 2010 22:29:47 GMT
The thing is, people are saying "we're just not as good as we think we are", but even with that taken into account, we should still be easily beating Algeria.
I do actually think the fear factor is a major issue, players are shit scared of making a mistake because they know they will get absolutely slaughtered by our press at home.
I also think Capello has dropped a couple of bollocks with regards tactics and formations, although, we still should have beaten algeria, even if capello played wayne rooney at centre back .
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Post by actongatestokie on Jun 18, 2010 22:35:05 GMT
Fear? Pressure?
Try working in a factory on minimum wage, with 2 kids and a wife to house and feed with the threat of redundancy with little or no chance of work in the future.
Thats fear, thats pressure.
They are paid hundreds of thousands of pounds a week to play the game that many of the fans there today, the fans that Wayne Rooney has abused when leaving the field, openly pay money out of their back pockets for the privilege to play on a cack riddled field on a Sunday morning.
They want to try living in the real world for 5 minutes.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 18, 2010 22:42:23 GMT
True.
But, ever since they turned pro, that world has been alien to them. And this pressure is as real and cloying as it gets in their cocooned little world
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Post by actongatestokie on Jun 18, 2010 22:44:44 GMT
Also true Fuller.
I better log off now. I'm in a cob and a half.
;D
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Post by serpico on Jun 18, 2010 22:45:14 GMT
Money and a life of luxury doesn't make fear disappear.
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Post by march4 on Jun 18, 2010 22:50:10 GMT
Money and a life of luxury doesn't make fear disappear. True, but doesn't their experience in the Prem, Europe, etc prepare them. Imagine if a surgeon froze when conducting a life saving operation. That is pressure.
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Post by serpico on Jun 18, 2010 23:08:30 GMT
Money and a life of luxury doesn't make fear disappear. True, but doesn't their experience in the Prem, Europe, etc prepare them. Imagine if a surgeon froze when conducting a life saving operation. That is pressure. I think the pressure is different in world cups, because in club football you can make a mistake and make up for for the next week, but if you drop a bollock in a world cup it's likely to have a major effect and could lead to you being eliminated, and it's also magnified much more imo. The hype surrounding England at the world cup is astronomical, and imo it's certainly effected rooney, he looked nervous all night, he gave the ball away more times than i can remember. How do you know some surgeons don't freeze ? i imagine some of them do from time to time.
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Post by realstokebloke on Jun 18, 2010 23:24:37 GMT
Staggering.
Staggeringly shite that is.
I'd go for:
Jamo
Johnson Dawson Terry Cashley
Barry
Lennon Lamps J. Cole
Gerrard
Defoe (Or Rooney only 'cos he can never be that bad again?)
That or the Nag's Head first team.
It's a genuine toss up.
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Post by stockportstokie on Jun 19, 2010 0:25:32 GMT
Fuck it time for change ;D We'll win nowt playing Rooney as lead striker, just dunt suit us, we end up stale. -----------------James-------------------
----------Terry--------Dawson jCole------------------------------aCole ----------------Carrick
--------Milner---------Lampard
Lennon---------------------------Rooney
-----------------Crouch-------------------
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Post by SuperRickyFuller on Jun 19, 2010 0:30:44 GMT
GK: James RB: Johnson LB: A.Cole CB: Dawson CB: Terry RM: Gerrard CM: Lampard CM: Barry LM: J.Cole CF: Crouch CF: Rooney
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Post by fullmetaljacket on Jun 19, 2010 0:41:38 GMT
James/Hart (I'd play Hart but James didn't do anything wrong tonight)
Johnson (Looked off the pace tonight, worringly) Dawson Terry Cole
Milner Barry
Gerrard Lampard J. Cole
Rooney
The full backs would bomb on. Milner and Barry would cover.
Lampard would be told to shoot on sight and if he didn't perform after 60 minutes I'd tell him to retire from international football.
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Post by Mozzaa on Jun 19, 2010 0:54:30 GMT
Clone Huth, make him English and then clone the English Huth's 10 more times...then I'll be happy
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Post by Mint Berry Barks on Jun 19, 2010 3:15:10 GMT
James Johnson Dawson Terry Cashley Lennon Barry Gerrard J.Cole Rooney Heskey
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Post by wingy1964 on Jun 19, 2010 4:52:43 GMT
It's a struggle finding 11. who gives a Shit?
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Post by pasa on Jun 19, 2010 5:52:03 GMT
drop as many as you can and play the fringe players.
embarassing to say the least.
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Post by ColonelMustard on Jun 19, 2010 5:56:28 GMT
The thing I kept thinking last night was how easily Ricardo Fuller could have changed that game.
but in the spirit of the thread I think some conversation with the players is important, they look like they have lost faith in the manager and the system. If they have lost faith with it they must have a preferred option.
but I'd pick
James johnson, Dawson Terry Cole
lennon barry carrick cole
gerrard
rooney
just to make a few changes
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