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Post by **** Pulling Himself Off on Mar 13, 2008 18:53:33 GMT
ago?
Why is it that in todays world, fans of opposition teams cannot sit amongst one another and simply enjoy the game of football?
Is the human race moving backwards in terms of social interaction?
Why can't we just enjoy games with our fellow supporters of football, regardless of the team they support?
Are we really that uncivilised?
I would love to see home and away fans able to sit together, and watch a decent game of football.
Why has this become impossible, when we are supposedly an intelligent and compassionate species?
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Post by Dallas Cowboy on Mar 13, 2008 18:56:23 GMT
"when we are supposedly an intelligent and compassionate species? " I take it you do read all of the posts on this message board.  |
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Post by **** Pulling Himself Off on Mar 13, 2008 19:16:32 GMT
Oldstokie,
You must remember when fans could sit together.
What's changed?
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Post by trebor63 on Mar 13, 2008 19:37:37 GMT
They still can and often do!
Even in the 70s and 80s with trouble at its peak me and my mate nearly always went in the home end at away matches so we could avoid being locked in the ground for ages.
I'd say 90% of the time the home fans could tell we were Stoke fans (I refuse point blank to clap the opposition etc) but 100% of the time they'd be ok with us and talk about football in general. There was and still is only a small percentage of knobs about!
If however we'd gone in gobbing off and acting like hardmen we'd have been torn limb from limb and would have probably deserved it too!
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Post by **** Pulling Himself Off on Mar 14, 2008 11:07:58 GMT
Trebor,
Didn't clubs used to sell the tickets in such a way that wasn't segregated though?
I'm almost certain if a ticket office knew you were an opposition fan they wouldn't let you buy a ticket for the 'home' stands, but why the hell not? Surely we all go for the same reason, to spectate?
Personally I would have no problem at a Stoke vs Port Vªle match, having a Vªle fan sat next to me with his teams replica shirt on, but why would so many find this unacceptable?
Who else would welcome mixed crowds?
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Post by Godo on Mar 14, 2008 11:26:51 GMT
I don't recall there ever being integration of fans in my time as a Stoke fan and I've been going since I was a little kid in the late 60's/early 70's. You must be thinking about those days when the fans wore a suit and tie and all wore flat caps?
Anyway who want's to sit next to big mouth cockerneys, thick yam yams and brummies, sad geordies, big headed mancs, dodgy scousers, pig molesters in east anglia and suffolk, sheep shaggers in cardiff, yokels in brizzle/plymuff, etc etc Perhaps we are just less tolerant of those quaint regional differences these days?
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Post by RAF on Mar 14, 2008 11:31:51 GMT
It's no different now than it was 30 years ago, the difference is with the internet you just hear more about it.
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Post by JoeinOz on Mar 14, 2008 11:51:17 GMT
I wouldn't have any problem with it. BUT it only takes two dickheads and theres a problem..
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2008 11:56:59 GMT
Hmmmmmmmmm ... In the 1930s and before you could stand anywhere you wanted, I'm not sure about the 40/50s ... It wasn't a planned thing during and after the 60s though ... But like Treb says, it did and does still get done by some ... However ... what with no-smoking, no-drinking and no-standing ... maybe this is the way forward ... Let's trial it in Block-11 ah |
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Post by chunkie on Mar 14, 2008 13:40:33 GMT
happily sit with opposing supporters at Rugby and Cricket, and with pint in hand as well in your seats, so why not at football?
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Post by stokiesam on Mar 14, 2008 14:03:29 GMT
I think its learnt behaviour, people are tought that they ought to behave like animals to away supporters at football matches, and therefore they do. Even in the 70's which everyone remembers as the low point in hooliganism, It wasn't as nasty (And I choose that word carefully) as it is today, I used to stand on the Stoke End (Away end for our younger readers  ) regularly, Especially if the crowds were smaller. I think my dad preferred to take me there rather than in the Boothen because he thought it safer ??? I certainly remember watching the Baggies, and Tilbury from there amongst others. |
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Post by fromafar07 on Mar 14, 2008 14:16:18 GMT
its not the human race, its the uncivilized football supporters race. i live in America and go to games over here all the time and sit around opposing teams fans without the 1st instance of dislike, violence etc, usually just some good humored ribbing and we all enjoy the game win or lose
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Post by lancer on Mar 14, 2008 15:16:53 GMT
In the 50s and 60s, I was travelling to most grounds in the country with Stoke, and felt safe and comfortable with the home fans. Now and then there was some trouble, usually home fans with home fans. But no touble on a huge scale, and the majority of the home fans didn't tolerate the tits.
I'm not suggesting that all fans in those days were angels, but like today I suppose, most of them were.
Having a drink with opposition fans was part of a decent day out, an we looked forward to it.
Also of course today, there is so much more media coverage, and they smell it out and blow it up.
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Mar 14, 2008 17:22:19 GMT
I'd hate the idea of mixed crowds, simply hate it. The best type of atmosphere at a football match is an intimidating one when you're facing a block of opposition fans from across the pitch and you chant and sing and have banter with one another in a great voice, you wouldn't be able to have that in a mixed seating environment.
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Post by effloresce on Mar 14, 2008 17:24:53 GMT
It's no different now than it was 30 years ago, the difference is with the internet you just hear more about it. H Bingo. |
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Post by edinburghstokie on Mar 14, 2008 17:30:40 GMT
you wouldn't be able to have that in a mixed seating environment. I disagree - You can get those sort of atmospheres at rugby matches, where there isn't any segregation. |
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) regularly, Especially if the crowds were smaller. I think my dad preferred to take me there rather than in the Boothen because he thought it safer ???
