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Post by tazi on Apr 19, 2010 11:27:55 GMT
It's a pretty daft thing to suggest really or perhaps you're of the opinion that we should decline corners too?.
I'm of the thought 'though i dont have stats to back it up' that 99% of goals come from inside the box and when that chance arises of putting it in the mix then you take it.
Stop the Rory throw because it's now innefective iv'e heard some suggest and yet i bet these are the one's who would much prefer a throw than a corner.
It's easy to have a go when the throw aint working but it's the same as a corner 'even better in my opinion' but you dont hear that we should refuse our share during the course of a match and if you've got it you use it.
On another note Rory is magnificent for Stoke and not just in for his throws either and for those who sugget otherwise really must be watching a different game.
Discuss.
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Post by PotteringThrough on Apr 19, 2010 11:31:48 GMT
Keep it, teams do work on defending it so whilst they're practising that we should be practising other team moves and other set pieces.
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Post by PickSCFC on Apr 19, 2010 11:35:30 GMT
the throw has worked enough to keep it imo
burnley home and away
wolves home
man city away and should of been home if it wasnt that cunt wiley!!
arsenal home in league and cup
it causes problems so keep it
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Post by Coll40 on Apr 19, 2010 12:01:51 GMT
Its not a matter of not using it, Rory's getting older and will soon not be able to justify his place on the strength of his throw (some think he already can't).
So we need to work on an alternative for when he's gone.
Maybe someone with a decent throw who can learn how to improve it - a sort of Rory's apprentice
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Post by rabbigan on Apr 19, 2010 12:02:08 GMT
Rory is an honest pro and never gives less than 100 percent but we are desperate for a playmaker and playing Rory wide left or wide right weakens us as an attacking unit.
I dont think he merits inclusion as a central midfielder and you have to ask whether we would not get more benefit from a better midfielder than Rory and forget the throw as a tactic or use it sparingly last 20 minutes with Rory on from the bench.
In the close season we are crying out for a top notch centre and right midfielder.
I think Ric and Kitson would be so much more potent if we got two players of that type
However I dont knock what a value the throw has been particularly last season.
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Post by tazi on Apr 19, 2010 12:29:38 GMT
Rory's immense in a more central midfield position so to suggest he isn't really is mystyfying to say the least.
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Post by mtrstudent on Apr 19, 2010 12:34:22 GMT
Maybe someone with a decent throw who can learn how to improve it - a sort of Rory's apprentice We've seen Wilko throw it a fair distance a few times. He's a good defender (few clumsy tackles, but getting better. He pinned Ronaldo down for most of the match last season...) and he knows how to attack. Also, he's a dedicated RB so we don't need to keep pushing centre halves out there. He adds to the team and if he can do a long throw then why not put him in? |
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Post by boweryboy on Apr 19, 2010 13:17:07 GMT
Rorys throw should be scrapped when Shawcross is not playing,because he is the only one who can win the ball when he goes up,Faye has missed sitters in the last two games by going up so whats the point.if we are more than a hoof ball and long throw team lets propve it when its not working!
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Post by PickSCFC on Apr 19, 2010 13:19:23 GMT
Rorys throw should be scrapped when Shawcross is not playing,because he is the only one who can win the ball when he goes up,Faye has missed sitters in the last two games by going up so whats the point.if we are more than a hoof ball and long throw team lets propve it when its not working! you have just contradicted yourself |
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Post by BraveSirRobin on Apr 19, 2010 13:19:24 GMT
Rory? Immense?.....Some people are easily pleased!
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Post by davejohnno1 on Apr 19, 2010 13:25:17 GMT
Didn't we hit the post off one of the throws on Saturday?
I am pretty sure that Abdy's late chance came from a Rory throw as well.
To those who say we should scrap the throw, i would say "you don't know what you are talking about".
Without the throw we would barely create a chance, particularly when Fuller doesn't play.
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Post by apb1 on Apr 19, 2010 13:27:52 GMT
We shouldn't scrap the throw, it gets the ball in the box
Shotton is pretty good I heard, so let him be the apprentice
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Post by boweryboy on Apr 19, 2010 13:29:29 GMT
Hustler,when i say win i mean score,not win and put it over the bar.Faye has been piss poor this season,not only missing chances up front but giving away goals at the back,now he is fishing for a contract extention.no thanks time to go we have seen the best of him last season........
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Post by tazi on Apr 19, 2010 13:42:51 GMT
Rorys throw should be scrapped when Shawcross is not playing,because he is the only one who can win the ball when he goes up,Faye has missed sitters in the last two games by going up so whats the point.if we are more than a hoof ball and long throw team lets propve it when its not working! you have just contradicted yourself  |
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Post by boweryboy on Apr 19, 2010 13:47:17 GMT
tazi,i have explained to Hustler,now read above....
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Post by tazi on Apr 19, 2010 13:57:42 GMT
tazi,i have explained to Hustler,now read above.... I did and then i thought that we are making chances from them so then there is no reason to suggest stopping them because bad open misses wont go on forever. |
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Post by boweryboy on Apr 19, 2010 14:04:51 GMT
tazi,the last two games is too long and its been alot longer than that,it seems teams are dealing with it better now and i still think it is because its without the threat of Shawcoss.......
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Post by fromafar07 on Apr 19, 2010 14:11:06 GMT
It's a pretty daft thing to suggest really or perhaps you're of the opinion that we should decline corners too?. I'm of the thought 'though i dont have stats to back it up' that 99% of goals come from inside the box and when that chance arises of putting it in the mix then you take it. Stop the Rory throw because it's now innefective iv'e heard some suggest and yet i bet these are the one's who would much prefer a throw than a corner. It's easy to have a go when the throw aint working but it's the same as a corner 'even better in my opinion' but you dont hear that we should refuse our share during the course of a match and if you've got it you use it. On another note Rory is magnificent for Stoke and not just in for his throws either and for those who sugget otherwise really must be watching a different game. Discuss.  as usual with you, missing the big picture ! nobody is calling for the throw to stop, just the complete dependence on it ! 27 at Wolves and not one, not one came close to causing any sort of problems, and only a handfull all season have. I, like most, say if you have it use it, but just dont depend on it! |
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Post by tazi on Apr 19, 2010 14:21:01 GMT
Complete dependence on it?. Wow that HD telly of you'rs must really be wank if that's how you percieve Stoke City to be all about.
HD telly, hahahahaahahhahahahha.........What a fookin joke you are and you say i'm missing the big picture.
Well there are others who've suggested it should be scrapped.
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Post by mikeyb99 on Apr 19, 2010 14:41:36 GMT
The throws have worked against:
Man Citeh
Arsenal
Burnley
Wolves (Home only)
The throw hasn't worked against:
Chelsea
Manure
Spurs
Villa
Liverpool
Everton
Brum
Fulham
Blackburn
Sunderland
Bolton
Wigan
WHU
Hull
Pompey
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Post by tazi on Apr 19, 2010 15:15:33 GMT
The throws have worked against: Man Citeh Arsenal Burnley Wolves (Home only) The throw hasn't worked against: Chelsea Manure Spurs Villa Liverpool Everton Brum Fulham Blackburn Sunderland Bolton Wigan WHU Hull Pompey Could we have the stats on corners please, oh and err, freekicks as well, or should we never ever flight the ball into the box again?. |
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Post by Pugsley on Apr 19, 2010 15:19:31 GMT
It's when the throw becomes your only offensive weapon when the problems start.
In games we have played for throw ins - it's like Rugby ffs.
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Post by mikeyb99 on Apr 19, 2010 15:23:06 GMT
Could we have the stats on corners please, oh and err, freekicks as well, or should we never ever flight the ball into the box again?. Teams variate their corners; do we variate our throw-ins? The throw should be used sparingly for maximum effect in order to catch out defenders, not used every single time. And when it clearly isn't working, like against Wolves last week, it should be ditched completely. |
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Post by tazi on Apr 19, 2010 15:33:25 GMT
Could we have the stats on corners please, oh and err, freekicks as well, or should we never ever flight the ball into the box again?. Teams variate their corners; do we variate our throw-ins? The throw should be used sparingly for maximum effect in order to catch out defenders, not used every single time. And when it clearly isn't working, like against Wolves last week, it should be ditched completely. So if we variate 'which we do' our throws this does not mean opponents wont be prepared for them. Boweryboy. Whilst we are missing Ryan others have missed sitters 'absolute sitters' in his absense so there is still no reason why Rory should refrain from hurling it into the box because it's the opposing defenders that are not dealing with it. |
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as usual with you, missing the big picture ! nobody is calling for the throw to stop, just the complete dependence on it ! 27 at Wolves and not one, not one came close to causing any sort of problems, and only a handfull all season have. I, like most, say if you have it use it, but just dont depend on it!
