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Post by march4 on Apr 19, 2010 21:07:05 GMT
march, how about the exquisite ball he played Whitehead in with (second half) or being fit enough to be the player who got on the rebound off the post twice (once in second half). If only Mama were fit enough to get from his 'Mama role' position into the 6 yard box once in a blue moon, eh? It was indeed a beautiful pass to Whitehead - very impressive. I thought Kitson was superb for the first 30 mins. However, the simple truth is that the ball kept coming back at us in the 2nd half every time we cleared it. The reason was that Kits no longer had the energy to go after it. I wonder if Kits is expected to play in a cage like Mama is  |
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Post by fentonstokie1 on Apr 19, 2010 22:14:39 GMT
Kitson is shit, and one goal isn't going to change that. I'd have anyone on just to make sur ehe doesn't set foot on the pitch next game. So, step up Sidibe This is a wind up right or are you really a clueless moron? |
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Post by prem4stoke on Apr 19, 2010 22:24:16 GMT
Kitson seems Ok against the poorer teams but much less effective against better opposition so I expect he won't play against Chelsea.
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Post by keithy george on Apr 19, 2010 23:27:54 GMT
Kitson is shit, and one goal isn't going to change that. I'd have anyone on just to make sur ehe doesn't set foot on the pitch next game. So, step up Sidibe What a cock   |
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Post by Akinbadbuy on Apr 19, 2010 23:30:40 GMT
Is it any wonder TP brings Mama straight back into the side when hes no worse than anyone else, kitson included.
If Mama needs dropping then we need the quality to replace him.
Kitson aint it!
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Post by bunnyscfc on Apr 19, 2010 23:34:46 GMT
Mama is no worse than anyone else?
Reckon I could name another dozen or so players who Mama is quite easily worse than.
But obviously noone else in the orld can play the 'Mama position' quite like he can, obv.
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Post by mtrstudent on Apr 20, 2010 8:39:42 GMT
Kitson seems Ok against the poorer teams but much less effective against better opposition so I expect he won't play against Chelsea. His Man City goal was class. I don't think you'd see Mama do that in a million years (then again, wtf was with his break down the right against the arse?) Any mix of Kitson, Tuncay and Fuller should be able to tear apart most of the teams outside the t4 (or maybe t8) on a good day. But we can't do open play against the likes of Arsenal, and in those games I'd play Mama/Ric with Tuncay on the wing (because he runs his ass off and harrasses players all day long). |
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Post by Olgrligm on Apr 20, 2010 10:02:32 GMT
Coopstadium is a Vale fan. I don't mean that in the flippant 'he said something negative and is therefore a Vale fan', he actually is a Vale fan on a wind up, we've had all this before.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2010 10:09:59 GMT
Kitson is a much better option than Mama.
End of discussion.
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Post by BoxxyTheLost on Apr 20, 2010 10:10:53 GMT
i'll give you this. if Mama starts what're you going to do? i don't think he will but if he did what will you do? are you gonna boo? some fan you are are you going to moan your bag off on here? probably. in that case really get a life. if Mama starts it's because TP picks him. and at the end of the day it's HIS choice to pick the teams not yours, and since it's his job (and he's bloody good at it) i'll trust him over you if he thinks Mama is the right man for the job. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2010 10:15:05 GMT
i'll give you this. if Mama starts what're you going to do? i don't think he will but if he did what will you do? are you gonna boo? some fan you are are you going to moan your bag off on here? probably. in that case really get a life. if Mama starts it's because TP picks him. and at the end of the day it's HIS choice to pick the teams not yours, and since it's his job (and he's bloody good at it) i'll trust him over you if he thinks Mama is the right man for the job. Calm down dear. Everything is going to be ok. |
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Post by Olgrligm on Apr 20, 2010 10:31:26 GMT
Kitson is a much better option than Mama. End of discussion. I don't think anybody is denying this. When Kitson's head is in the right place, he is a better option than Mama. He'll do all the work on the opposition midfield, he'll win the ball in the air, but he's also got that bit of extra skill and an eye for goal. It's just a matter of keeping him in the right place, mentally. My only concern about him is this: Honestly, Kitson looks dead on his feet to me after 30 mins. To you yes. To Tony Pulis no. That's why he's usually kept on the pitch for the majority of the match, which, believe it or not, is more of the match that Mama has been able to manage recently, despite his amazing levels of fitness. To be honest Dave, it's not just March. I noticed that around the 35th minute mark, Kitson notably dropped off. His performance up until then was excellent and he still managed to get himself involved, but he just wasn't as mobile and he stopped winning it in the air as much. I think that was why the ball kept coming back to us in the second half. It's all well and good to say that we were smacking it at the great big brick wall that was Zat (Zak?) Knight, but there was absolutely nobody challenging him in the air, which was Kitson's job. If you want to bring Sidibe in to it, then I think we'd be best off doing what we did against Hull. Kitson plays for an hour and we get the best of him before he drops off. Sidibe then comes on for the last half hour, which looks to be about as much as he can manage at his present level of fitness. It worked against Hull - Kitson had a very good game and got an assist, but dropped off and allowed Bullard into the game. Sidibe came on, sorted out Bullard and started the move for the second goal. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2010 10:43:21 GMT
MD, doesn't really address the main point regarding Mama though.
He has never, ever, been a goalscorer for us. His role, which he has carried out very well, has been to win the ball in the air, get flick ons and hold it up.
He no longer does this and offers us nothing else.
I'd rather a knackered Kitson (who could possibly stick a chance away or create something) than a fully fit Mama right now.
Mama contributes absolutely nothing right now. He should have been taken out of the firing line a long time ago.
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Post by Olgrligm on Apr 20, 2010 10:46:00 GMT
MD, doesn't really address the main point regarding Mama though. He has never, ever, been a goalscorer for us. His role, which he has carried out very well, has been to win the ball in the air, get flick ons and hold it up. He no longer does this and offers us nothing else. I'd rather a knackered Kitson (who could possibly stick a chance away or create something) than a fully fit Mama right now. Mama contributes absolutely nothing right now. He should have been taken out of the firing line a long time ago. At this exact moment in time, though, he's the second best we've got. It's a position that needs strengthening and Mama would ideally be the target man equivalent of Danny Pugh (if you get what I mean) next season. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2010 10:50:51 GMT
MD, doesn't really address the main point regarding Mama though. He has never, ever, been a goalscorer for us. His role, which he has carried out very well, has been to win the ball in the air, get flick ons and hold it up. He no longer does this and offers us nothing else. I'd rather a knackered Kitson (who could possibly stick a chance away or create something) than a fully fit Mama right now. Mama contributes absolutely nothing right now. He should have been taken out of the firing line a long time ago. At this exact moment in time, though, he's the second best we've got. It's a position that needs strengthening and Mama would ideally be the target man equivalent of Danny Pugh (if you get what I mean) next season. Yeah, agreed, we need reinforcements in the summer. KJ would be the "ideal" but I can't see it. I wouldn't be unhappy with Heskey (I know that is an unpopular view point on here!) and I'd also be happy with Carroll (didn't think I'd say that 6 months ago). |
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Post by RAF on Apr 20, 2010 10:55:06 GMT
I wouldn't mind Heskey either, aslong as the big daft twat stopped tripping over blades of grass and stayed on his feet.
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Post by Olgrligm on Apr 20, 2010 11:01:51 GMT
What RAF said.
I was keen on Jones, but it was reputed somewhere else that the press in Sunderland are saying he's on something like £60,000 p/w. That's way, way too much, especially if we have to improve on that figure.
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Post by MrMagic on Apr 20, 2010 11:07:18 GMT
I think that Heskey would be a good signing. He'd fit in without us having to significantly change our style to suit him. Few players are better at holding the ball and harrassing defenders, and he'd set up and score more goals than the current incumbant, so for me he'd be a clear improvement.
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Post by march4 on Apr 20, 2010 16:50:41 GMT
It's amazing that there are so few players who can perform the targetman role. I'm sure in the 60's and 70's every club had one.
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Post by jarhead on Apr 20, 2010 18:06:14 GMT
Division 7,8 and 9 yes march but this is the BEST LEAGUE in thew world so people tell me and we want the world to watch us play Lower league tactics,its effective don't get me wrong but f--k me 50million spent and more to follow and we pray for a flick-on or a flick-on from a throw......how BORING!!!
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Post by french toast on Apr 20, 2010 18:21:28 GMT
What I don't get is Pulis says that Tuncay and Fuller are too similar yet he will play Kitson and Sidibe together (the most similar strikers we have). I said this only last week but its different rules WHEN IT SUITS THE TOSSPOT!!! 'THE TOSSPOT' as you call pulis is our second most successful manager ever, have a little respect you vile little man |
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Post by BoxxyTheLost on Apr 20, 2010 18:28:09 GMT
Division 7,8 and 9 yes march but this is the BEST LEAGUE in thew world so people tell me and we want the world to watch us play Lower league tactics,its effective don't get me wrong but f--k me 50million spent and more to follow and we pray for a flick-on or a flick-on from a throw......how BORING!!! i find it quite entertaining actually. certainly better than watching arsenal or west brom pass it about the half way line. so you know different things for different people. |
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Post by jarhead on Apr 20, 2010 18:39:23 GMT
I said this only last week but its different rules WHEN IT SUITS THE TOSSPOT!!! 'THE TOSSPOT' as you call pulis is our second most successful manager ever, have a little respect you vile little man Respect a bloke who lies and patronisies you? You on drugs you f--kin clown! |
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Post by french toast on Apr 20, 2010 18:57:25 GMT
'THE TOSSPOT' as you call pulis is our second most successful manager ever, have a little respect you vile little man Respect a bloke who lies and patronisies you? You on drugs you f--kin clown! ;d ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D no im not, im actually very thankful to have pulis a man who has done more for stoke city fc and stoke on trent than most people he is a top top fella |
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Post by potterglen on Apr 20, 2010 20:21:36 GMT
Don't know why Pulis signed Beattie, Kitson or Tuncay when he prefers playing his old favourites Sidibe and Fuller yet DK and TS's workrate/skill is far superior to the old faves. Pulis needs to buy strikers that he is prepared to play and not just buy to please the supporters. £10000000+ wasted on pissed off strikers.
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Post by french toast on Apr 20, 2010 20:43:44 GMT
Don't know why Pulis signed Beattie, Kitson or Tuncay when he prefers playing his old favourites Sidibe and Fuller yet DK and TS's workrate/skill is far superior to the old faves. Pulis needs to buy strikers that he is prepared to play and not just buy to please the supporters. £10000000+ wasted on pissed off strikers. yaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwwwwnnnnnnnnnnn |
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