Proud to have Pulis...

[staffordpotter]

these people who want tp out who in there right minds do they think could replace him there isnt a manager out there who has achieved what our tone has achieved or do they think we will attract the likes of morinio or fergurson dream on get off tp,s case he is taking this club to great hights

[wuzza]

His footballing philosophy is to do the best he possibly can for our club - thats a shocker eh!

I know everyone can have an opinion etc etc but anyone who has a downer on TP after what he has done for this club and even the wider community of S-O-T is seriously, totally and utterly WRONG !

[Deleted]

Apr 18, 2010 21:21:03 GMT growler said:

I'd say bonehead is an accurate description of people on the opposite side of the debate.

I admire TP's tenacity but can't see how anyone could like his footballing philosophy.

Unsure what you are disputing in my post - would you have been ok about it if Wenger etc had been guilty of some of the things posted here? I know I would have been crying foul!

What "things" eaxctly?

I think as far as the footballing philosophy goes, the ends have thus far justified the means. There have still been plenty of fine, memorable moments over the last few years.

[BuzzB]

Apr 18, 2010 21:25:03 GMT staffordpotter said:

these people who want tp out who in there right minds do they think could replace him there isnt a manager out there who has achieved what our tone has achieved or do they think we will attract the likes of morinio or fergurson dream on get off tp,s case he is taking this club to great hights

excellently put, I was as gutted as the next by yesterdays result, we had them beat easily but didn't finish them off, shit happens in football ask Arsenal after today!
Pulis has done an amazing job, I am one who often hears the team news and thinks wtf!!!
BUT I would love to keep him and have the stability for years to come, slow progress will do me, he can be horribly frustrating on one hand and a genius on the other.
Better the devil you know

[growler]

rvd - as you responded to the "things" previusly you obviously read about them. Stop playing silly games.
I know from previous posts that you are not a football hater like some of Tony's Taliban. If you think that TP's footballing philosophy is ok then fine, but football has to be about skill and ability as well as end product or it would be worthless.
I have watched Stoke for 40 years, but I am not so blind as not to see that there is more to sport than a Rory throw headed into the net.
On the odd occasion I pay to watch as a neutral I opt for teams with players who are guaranteed to entertain - Modric at Spurs etc. I really can't see many neutrals opting for a Saturday afternoon at the Brit - surely that is the true test?

[french toast]

Apr 18, 2010 22:53:30 GMT growler said:

rvd - as you responded to the "things" previusly you obviously read about them. Stop playing silly games.
I know from previous posts that you are not a football hater like some of Tony's Taliban. If you think that TP's footballing philosophy is ok then fine, but football has to be about skill and ability as well as end product or it would be worthless.
I have watched Stoke for 40 years, but I am not so blind as not to see that there is more to sport than a Rory throw headed into the net.
On the odd occasion I pay to watch as a neutral I opt for teams with players who are guaranteed to entertain - Modric at Spurs etc. I really can't see many neutrals opting for a Saturday afternoon at the Brit - surely that is the true test?

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[ColonelMustard]

Apr 18, 2010 22:53:30 GMT growler said:

rvd - as you responded to the "things" previusly you obviously read about them. Stop playing silly games.
I know from previous posts that you are not a football hater like some of Tony's Taliban. If you think that TP's footballing philosophy is ok then fine, but football has to be about skill and ability as well as end product or it would be worthless.
I have watched Stoke for 40 years, but I am not so blind as not to see that there is more to sport than a Rory throw headed into the net.
On the odd occasion I pay to watch as a neutral I opt for teams with players who are guaranteed to entertain - Modric at Spurs etc. I really can't see many neutrals opting for a Saturday afternoon at the Brit - surely that is the true test?

That's definitely the true test of football. If we can make the neutrals happy.
Only very special people are cut out for the role of neutral and they deserve pleasing.

[nicholasjalcock]

I agree with everyone who has said he has done brilliant job! But, when Tony talks of
"pushing on" where is the evidence? Like all of us he has strengths and weaknesses e.g. in transfer policy he has a better record picking defenders and defensive players than attackers and attacking players, Huth has been a brilliant signing but Tuncay? The signings in this summer must be good if we are to stay where we are in a more competitive EPL. I can't see N'castle being the floating wreck Pompey is?

[Lakeland Potter]

Nicholas - there isn't going to be evidence until after the event. Where is your evidence that we won't push on? TP has a pretty good record of achieving what he sets out to do at Stoke - usually ahead of time. For example when he came back to the club he talked about a three year plan to reach the Prem - and did it in two years. He then talked about a three year plan to establish ourselves as a mid table club - he has pretty much done it in two years.

Of course, our current position might be the highest we will ever reach before sinking back - but there is no evidence to say that will be the case. We'll always take the odd step back between the steps forward (most clubs do) , but I see no reason not to stick with the bloke who has got us this far. Most of the clubs above us have squads which cost more than ours so TP is doing more things right than wrong.

[Irish Stokie]

Apr 19, 2010 7:49:14 GMT nicholasjalcock said:

I agree with everyone who has said he has done brilliant job! But, when Tony talks of
"pushing on" where is the evidence? Like all of us he has strengths and weaknesses e.g. in transfer policy he has a better record picking defenders and defensive players than attackers and attacking players, Huth has been a brilliant signing but Tuncay? The signings in this summer must be good if we are to stay where we are in a more competitive EPL. I can't see N'castle being the floating wreck Pompey is?

The basis of any successful team is a solid defensive unit, which is what TP has addressed and very successfully so far. We have one of the best defensive records in the league and it is an excellent base to build on. TP is a very cautious manager by nature and only when he feels we are solid at the back will he allow the team to have some more attacking players who can create more.

We have been very unlucky this season as Liam and Beats were 2 of our best attacking players last year and they have both been atrocious this season. I expect us to make a few signings this summer and if we sign a RM, CM and striker we will have a seriously good team and one that has an attacking threat to compliment our defensive solidity.

[Lakeland Potter]

Apr 19, 2010 8:08:01 GMT Irish Stokie said:

Apr 19, 2010 7:49:14 GMT nicholasjalcock said:

I agree with everyone who has said he has done brilliant job! But, when Tony talks of
"pushing on" where is the evidence? Like all of us he has strengths and weaknesses e.g. in transfer policy he has a better record picking defenders and defensive players than attackers and attacking players, Huth has been a brilliant signing but Tuncay? The signings in this summer must be good if we are to stay where we are in a more competitive EPL. I can't see N'castle being the floating wreck Pompey is?

The basis of any successful team is a solid defensive unit, which is what TP has addressed and very successfully so far. We have one of the best defensive records in the league and it is an excellent base to build on. TP is a very cautious manager by nature and only when he feels we are solid at the back will he allow the team to have some more attacking players who can create more.

We have been very unlucky this season as Liam and Beats were 2 of our best attacking players last year and they have both been atrocious this season. I expect us to make a few signings this summer and if we sign a RM, CM and striker we will have a seriously good team and one that has an attacking threat to compliment our defensive solidity.

Agreed. I'd add a specialist attacking full back to that list. Pity Ashely Cole is a cunt - he'd have fitted in nicely!

[offthewall]

Pulis is achieving more than I had bargained for. problem now seems to be spending 5 mill on a forward does not guarantee they can score open goals, silly me. I wonder how much you need to spend to buy a player who can score 10m, 15m 20m ???????

[growler]

What we need is a full back who can take the ball from the keeper and play it forward constructively and a central midfielder who arrives in the box with a late run to score 6/10 goals a season.
stokie1000 - if you are not interested in watching football as a neutral then how can you like/love watching the sport at all?

[hidman]

with the help of a certain mr coates he is best thing to happen to this club in 30 odd years don't think anyone could deny that! Imo I don't expect too much change for next season either, a few in and a few out and a slight improvement in quality but basically a similar best 11 that is starting this year and I'd take that, even if we finished 17th

[youareallwrong]

Apr 19, 2010 8:29:10 GMT growler said:

What we need is a full back who can take the ball from the keeper and play it forward constructively and a central midfielder who arrives in the box with a late run to score 6/10 goals a season.
stokie1000 - if you are not interested in watching football as a neutral then how can you like/love watching the sport at all?

For me, there is no point watching any sport as a neutral. How can you possibly be engaged in watching what is an event containing passion if you have no passion for (or against) any of the competitors?

Football without passion is nothing, so I can't be bothered to watch if I don't care who wins or loses. There are any number of sports I don't have any interest in, because I don't care who wins or loses, so why should I watch?

The neutral thinks they are watching entertainment, the supporter KNOWS he is watching a struggle, something approaching a fight to the death. The neutral only has a tiny appreciation of the game, the supporter feels every kick, every foul, every bad decision, every mistake, every glorious moment.

The neutral knows nothing of belonging, knows neither the highs nor the lows, in fact, he knows nothing.

[alanhopkin2010]

legend

[growler]

Come on "someofyoumayberight" do you have a soul?


Surely it is a balance of beauty and passion? Otherwise, why do people in countries without qualifying teams watch the World Cup etc?
If you can't see the majesty in a Cruyff turn, or a van Basten volley then I feel sorry for you. Of course, it would be even greater if that player was in a Stoke shirt but....
And it isn't just other sports, why would you not want to watch genius - Tendulkar batting/Ellery Hanley in his prime for Wigan rugby league/Ali boxing etc, etc.

[boweryboy]

Puilis is good at saying what the fans want to hear,he talks about quality but when he gets some he doesent know what to do with them other than try to make their game more defencive,this is a manager who says fans don't see what the likes of Sidibe and Diao do when they haven't got the ball and stuck two fingers up to the fans after the Wolves game by saying he thought Mama was fantastic today, when we all SAW he was shit,respect for Pulis when he is having back handed swipes at fans all the time ...........NEVER!

[stokecityscott]

www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,15133_6096739,00.html

[youareallwrong]

Apr 19, 2010 10:30:52 GMT growler said:

Come on "someofyoumayberight" do you have a soul?


Surely it is a balance of beauty and passion? Otherwise, why do people in countries without qualifying teams watch the World Cup etc?
If you can't see the majesty in a Cruyff turn, or a van Basten volley then I feel sorry for you. Of course, it would be even greater if that player was in a Stoke shirt but....
And it isn't just other sports, why would you not want to watch genius - Tendulkar batting/Ellery Hanley in his prime for Wigan rugby league/Ali boxing etc, etc.

No, I don't have a 'soul', whatever that fictitious entity might be.

I do, of course, watch quite a bit of sport without having a direct interest in the outcome, I was exaggerating to make a point, but I often find myself losing interest, having a read and only occasionally glancing at the screen, or just switching off, because I genuinely don't care who wins.

I have absolutely no interest in rugby of any kind, or boxing, or any of the wheeled sports, so I don't even consider watching them. I love cricket and used to be a Lancashire member, but I only really get worked up for a test match.

I definitely appreciate the skills of a Tendulkar, or a Holding, or a Bishan Bedi, or a Cruyff or Van Basten, but they mean nothing to me in sporting terms, only as things of beauty in themselves.

I do not attend sporting events to see beautiful things; I attend to become involved emotionally and passionately with a team with which I identify, hopefully I will see something beautiful, bit it doesn't matter if i don't. The neutral misses most of that experience, and that is my point. Football is not played for the neutral, it is played because of the supporter.

[ColonelMustard]

Apr 19, 2010 11:36:15 GMT @youareallwrong said:

Apr 19, 2010 10:30:52 GMT growler said:

Come on "someofyoumayberight" do you have a soul?


Surely it is a balance of beauty and passion? Otherwise, why do people in countries without qualifying teams watch the World Cup etc?
If you can't see the majesty in a Cruyff turn, or a van Basten volley then I feel sorry for you. Of course, it would be even greater if that player was in a Stoke shirt but....
And it isn't just other sports, why would you not want to watch genius - Tendulkar batting/Ellery Hanley in his prime for Wigan rugby league/Ali boxing etc, etc.

No, I don't have a 'soul', whatever that fictitious entity might be.

I do, of course, watch quite a bit of sport without having a direct interest in the outcome, I was exaggerating to make a point, but I often find myself losing interest, having a read and only occasionally glancing at the screen, or just switching off, because I genuinely don't care who wins.

I have absolutely no interest in rugby of any kind, or boxing, or any of the wheeled sports, so I don't even consider watching them. I love cricket and used to be a Lancashire member, but I only really get worked up for a test match.

I definitely appreciate the skills of a Tendulkar, or a Holding, or a Bishan Bedi, or a Cruyff or Van Basten, but they mean nothing to me in sporting terms, only as things of beauty in themselves.

I do not attend sporting events to see beautiful things; I attend to become involved emotionally and passionately with a team with which I identify, hopefully I will see something beautiful, bit it doesn't matter if i don't. The neutral misses most of that experience, and that is my point. Football is not played for the neutral, it is played because of the supporter.

I agree with a lot of this although I think the armchair neutral is becoming more and more important.

For what it's worth when I fell in love with Stoke it was not Nicky Morgans volleys or Stevie Boulds turns that did it, it was the crowd, the noise, the passion and the tension. Wager all your emotion on the red and white stripes and see what happens.
I can appreciate the artistry of football, but most of the time I have something better to do.

[ihaveadream]

I like the way he waved on Sat when we sang "Theres Only One Tony Pulis"

[boweryboy]

I'm sure i saw two more in the crowd!

[fromafar07]

as most of you can tell by my posts on here, i reserve my praise solely for those who deserve it for playing or managing well etc ! While i think Pulis has much much more to accomplish to garner the praise that some rimmers lavish him with on here, i do think he has done a pretty good job (strange squad selections, player tiffs and strange substitutions aside) the first 2 years in the Prem. If i have read one article about us and the summer transfer season lately i have read a hundred, and i agree that will be telling. So, until he has gone though a few more seasons of better wins, more final rounds of the cups, maybe even a cup win , i will reserve my lavish praise for him !

PS
"It shows how mush he cares for the club" ?? maybe so, but i am yet to hear or read of any other manager that says anything different about his club !

[growler]

re some of you may be right and colonel mustard.
I accept you have a bit of a point but, be honest, when you think through your footballing memories it is the likes of Chamberlain, Greenhoff, Hudson and now Fuller that come to mind rather than the very competent Ray Wallace or Steve Foley.
Entertainment does matter.

[Lakeland Potter]

Apr 19, 2010 14:03:15 GMT fromafar07 said:

as most of you can tell by my posts on here, i reserve my praise solely for those who deserve it for playing or managing well etc ! While i think Pulis has much much more to accomplish to garner the praise that some rimmers lavish him with on here, i do think he has done a pretty good job (strange squad selections, player tiffs and strange substitutions aside) the first 2 years in the Prem. If i have read one article about us and the summer transfer season lately i have read a hundred, and i agree that will be telling. So, until he has gone though a few more seasons of better wins, more final rounds of the cups, maybe even a cup win , i will reserve my lavish praise for him !

PS
"It shows how mush he cares for the club" ?? maybe so, but i am yet to hear or read of any other manager that says anything different about his club !

Right, having read that, I am going to DOUBLE my suppprt for Pulis to balance things out a bit! ;D

[wehatevale1]

GOD

[fromafar07]

Apr 19, 2010 14:08:59 GMT Lakeland Potter said:

Apr 19, 2010 14:03:15 GMT fromafar07 said:

as most of you can tell by my posts on here, i reserve my praise solely for those who deserve it for playing or managing well etc ! While i think Pulis has much much more to accomplish to garner the praise that some rimmers lavish him with on here, i do think he has done a pretty good job (strange squad selections, player tiffs and strange substitutions aside) the first 2 years in the Prem. If i have read one article about us and the summer transfer season lately i have read a hundred, and i agree that will be telling. So, until he has gone though a few more seasons of better wins, more final rounds of the cups, maybe even a cup win , i will reserve my lavish praise for him !

PS
"It shows how mush he cares for the club" ?? maybe so, but i am yet to hear or read of any other manager that says anything different about his club !

Right, having read that, I am going to DOUBLE my suppprt for Pulis to balance things out a bit! ;D

perfect example !!

[jarhead]

growler-boweryboy you both are spot on.