Look I know we dont know the whole truth about what went on yet and probably never will but say Pulis has gone to butt BT for saying something wrong or that he didnt agree with then how will the club deal with it.....You cant have a mananger doing these sort of things regardless of what is said to him....Ive disagreed with my boss before and told him so but know he would never act like that and if he did I would take the matter further ...
Post by thecumbrianway on Dec 7, 2009 11:56:11 GMT
Yes they possibly would.
All businesses even football clubs have disiplinary procedures in place. Even Pulis as manager is an employee of the club ... So if he has done as suggested then he would be liable for dicipline. and assault is probley gross misconduct as well.
Secondly if pulis has lost the dressing room and the players are unwilling to play for him it would take a very bold and risky chairman to keep the manager on and move on several first teamers, especially with the money they would demand for being sold
Pulis will stay probley, but until resolved his position is of course under threat
No one has any idea what actually went on -we have idiots blaming Reid on another thread saying he's the reason for the so called friction etc. These spats happen week in week out in football. To talk about sacking the manager is nonsense. Will probably just blow over like the Fuller/ Griffin incident. The club deals with these matters well internally usually and the press of course have it's field day.
The tyhing is though in thisw case they do have to make some public announcement as it's so nhigh profile. Talking of which....how did the national press get hold of this story? Did the Mail get it through the Sentnull??
Unless he has acted like a rabid lunatic then I'd say we'd been insane to do so.
One (momentary) lapse after all that has been achieved is forgivable and we don't want to cut off our nose to spite our face.
Even if James Beattie is genuinely the injured party here we can afford to lose him more than we can Tony Pulis.
So, unless TP really lost the plot then I don't think the club would sack him.
It's an impossible call for us to make without access to the full facts.
Of course it's impossible to answer the original question without knowing what went on.
However I was a bit surprised when you said this Smudge ...
Even if James Beattie is genuinely the injured party here we can afford to lose him more than we can Tony Pulis.
Surely if any manager headbutted a player, then the importance of that manager to the team becomes irrelevant in terms of how the matter is dealt with, or at least it should be irrelevant.
It's tantamount to saying it's okay to use violence if the team is doing well but not if the team is struggling.
Unless he has acted like a rabid lunatic then I'd say we'd been insane to do so.
One (momentary) lapse after all that has been achieved is forgivable and we don't want to cut off our nose to spite our face.
Even if James Beattie is genuinely the injured party here we can afford to lose him more than we can Tony Pulis.
So, unless TP really lost the plot then I don't think the club would sack him.
It's an impossible call for us to make without access to the full facts.
Of course it's impossible to answer the original question without knowing what went on.
However I was a bit surprised when you said this Smudge ...
Even if James Beattie is genuinely the injured party here we can afford to lose him more than we can Tony Pulis.
Surely if any manager headbutted a player, then the importance of that manager to the team becomes irrelevant in terms of how the matter is dealt with, or at least it should be irrelevant.
It's tantamount to saying it's okay to use violence if the team is doing well but not if the team is struggling.
This kind of attitude is typical of PHW's ''lets shoot ourselves in the foot and sack Pulis while we have the chance...''
Of course it's impossible to answer the original question without knowing what went on.
However I was a bit surprised when you said this Smudge ...
Surely if any manager headbutted a player, then the importance of that manager to the team becomes irrelevant in terms of how the matter is dealt with, or at least it should be irrelevant.
It's tantamount to saying it's okay to use violence if the team is doing well but not if the team is struggling.
This kind of attitude is typical of PHW's ''lets shoot ourselves in the foot and sack Pulis while we have the chance...''
We don't even know if it's true..FFS.
FFS mumf read my post again, my point wasn't specifcally to do with Pulis but with the wider point that I highlighted of Smudge's.
Read the first sentence of my post, and read the bit where I said ANY manager, I even emphasized it for you!
No one has any idea what actually went on -we have idiots blaming Reid on another thread saying he's the reason for the so called friction etc. These spats happen week in week out in football. To talk about sacking the manager is nonsense. Will probably just blow over like the Fuller/ Griffin incident. The club deals with these matters well internally usually and the press of course have it's field day.
F*ckin hell Soi - how many times do I have to explain to you that I do not blame Reid personally for anything, just made the observation that there have been a number of "issues" arising since his arrival......which is undeniable.
It is a reasonable enough observation to make without being labelled an idiot......
...and furthermore I do not contend that he should go necessarily
Of course it's impossible to answer the original question without knowing what went on.
However I was a bit surprised when you said this Smudge ...
Surely if any manager headbutted a player, then the importance of that manager to the team becomes irrelevant in terms of how the matter is dealt with, or at least it should be irrelevant.
It's tantamount to saying it's okay to use violence if the team is doing well but not if the team is struggling.
This kind of attitude is typical of PHW's ''lets shoot ourselves in the foot and sack Pulis while we have the chance...''
We don't even know if it's true..FFS.
agreed mumf..... talk about drama queens
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We do not know what went on, but there is no smoke without any fire. My biggest concern is how this situation will affect the rest of the squad . The next 4 or 5 fixtures are important ones so the last thing we need is team on the pitch not fully focused. The teams below us are picking up points and our position might not look so good going into the new year.
I never said we should sack the manager as I am a Pulis lover....I was just asking for peoples opinions on where the club could go with this situation.....I think that some of it is true but not to the degree the papers report.....If it was as bad as the press make out surely Pulis wouldnt be taking training today but would be in Mr Coates office or even suspended pending investigation....I hope we can move on from this keeping both TP and BT....
I suppose if the reports are true and Pulis instigated the attack, which would be surprising, then yeah I suppose Sir Peter may have to step in as attacking your own player is a bit far fetched, unless your Alex Ferguson.
If Pulis has this type of mentality then yeah it should be brought into question. Sacking would seem a little harsh though.
Pulis wont get sacked and so he shouldnt imo! Fair enough if its true he butted BT thats a bit much but BT shouldnt be questioning him in the 1st place nevermind going toe to toe players play the game managers manage how they do that on and off the field, all the players know this when they sign up, they get paid enough so accept the rules!
Of course it's impossible to answer the original question without knowing what went on.
However I was a bit surprised when you said this Smudge ...
Surely if any manager headbutted a player, then the importance of that manager to the team becomes irrelevant in terms of how the matter is dealt with, or at least it should be irrelevant.
It's tantamount to saying it's okay to use violence if the team is doing well but not if the team is struggling.
This kind of attitude is typical of PHW's ''lets shoot ourselves in the foot and sack Pulis while we have the chance...''
We don't even know if it's true..FFS.
hmm, maybe some of the playes are becoming PHW's !! ever thought of that ?
Post by burberrybassist on Dec 7, 2009 15:13:35 GMT
Hopefully, regardless of whatever official action the club decide to take, TP and BT can apologise to each other and sort their differences out, the team can't let something like this effect their on pitch performances so it needs to be sorted out by the people involved, not the club.