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Post by bebscfc on Feb 7, 2004 9:59:27 GMT
Am i mentioned at all?
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Post by JoeinOz on Feb 7, 2004 10:11:29 GMT
So you are criticising Stoke supporters?
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Post by slangking on Feb 7, 2004 10:22:20 GMT
Obviously there is a large section of Stoke fans who seem to wallow in failure, this messageboard was infested with them last season, if this book is asking why we've been crap for so long just take a look in the mirror, managers, players even the board has changed over the years the only common denominator is the fans, if the club has failed over the years, fans have to look at themselves.
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Post by bebscfc on Feb 7, 2004 10:25:29 GMT
It would be better if fans like you fucked off, instead of constantly putting things down all the time
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Post by JoeinOz on Feb 7, 2004 10:29:00 GMT
It wasn't the supporeters who appointed Alan Ball and Chris Kamara. Or sold Pesch on deadline day. Or decided to ignore an interntional midfield and use the long ball. Or insisted on playing Garth Crooks on the wing.
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Post by slangking on Feb 7, 2004 10:33:10 GMT
You must have forgotten how Alan Ball was feted as a hero while he was manager and how the fans demand hard work and attacking football.
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Post by JoeinOz on Feb 7, 2004 10:37:24 GMT
I certainly haven't forgotten that slangking. Only this afternoon I was going through some old nogger videos and came across footage of the Alan Ball calamity.
Yes, he was feted as a hero, but the fact is his appointment was a lazy decision. It wasn't the supporters who made the mistake of appointing him.
Yes the fans demand hard work and attacking football. Er, whats wrong with that? Isn't that what all fans want for their team?
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Post by slangking on Feb 7, 2004 10:49:04 GMT
And the fans were up until recently dead against Pulis..
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Post by JoeinOz on Feb 7, 2004 10:52:52 GMT
Supporters are fickle. A few bad results and they could turn against him again. Thats not exclusive to Stoke fans though. It happens at all clubs.
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Post by lurcherthelurker on Feb 7, 2004 11:16:53 GMT
A few were yes, but just as many (myself included) wanted to give the bloke a chance.
Knowing Steve personally, he is not a vindictive person, (he's actually an ok geezer, but dont tell him) the book is about last season and mentions that we have been let down continuously for years. (85-now) of not playing in the top division and in not the too distant past I do believe we were pretty damn close to going out of the league altogether. ( were we not in the bottom 6 of division three at some time, not that long ago?)
Now as that book was written and finished over the summer, and before this run of ours took off, (lets face it, we were in the bottom 3 just 2 months ago) dont you feel that Steve had a point? Yes we have had an upturn in the last two months, but who would of been brave enough or stupid enought to forsee our rapid climb up the table?
Anyone who went to even half a dozen games last season will relate to this book. Its a part of our clubs history. or are you going to deny that as well?
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Post by slangking on Feb 7, 2004 12:02:55 GMT
I certainly deny that last season was a failure, after all that happened it was a triumph, it's beyond me how someone could write a book whinging about it ??? The likelihood of us improving this season was there for all to see by the way we finished.
Just because someone has written an effin book it doesn't mean we have to meekly accept what he says, I don't expect people to agree with everything I've got to say on here, god knows why it should be any different if it is printed on paper.
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Post by JoeinOz on Feb 7, 2004 12:12:49 GMT
It hardly seems like a book whinging. Just an honest appraisal of the predicament we were in at the time. Hopefully its peppered with gallows humour too. I hope we haven't become so precious we can't sometimes laugh at ourselves.
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Post by slangking on Feb 7, 2004 12:25:09 GMT
Lets hope the 'Icelandic owners, hopeless managers, hapless players' are having a good laugh at it at the end of the season.
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Post by Olgrligm on Feb 7, 2004 14:27:55 GMT
These 'mentions' Am i in someway 'mentioned'?
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Post by greyman on Feb 7, 2004 16:10:15 GMT
slangking
Sorry I must have misunderstood you. What did you think of the book when you read it to have such strong views about it?
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Post by A-teen_six_T3 on Feb 7, 2004 17:32:18 GMT
how do we know whos being mentioned
have u got some kind of list or something
could you post it on here
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Post by Hooky on Feb 8, 2004 6:40:17 GMT
"I do believe we were pretty damn close to going out of the league altogether. ( were we not in the bottom 6 of division three at some time, not that long ago?)"
any stoke fan worth their salt would know we have NEVER played below Division 2 (old division 3) .
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Post by mcf on Feb 9, 2004 9:39:07 GMT
Last season had to be one of the wankest in our history until the loan signings came in to bolster the few good players we had to save the day.
The fact that we saved our skin was fantastic and changed the whole complexion of the memory. We all remember Reading at home rather than Watford, Millwall, Grimbsy etc which were totally and utterly woeful. Good memories were few and far between until the latter parts of the season.
I'm upto about page 128, following a mammoth Monday morning session on the shitter and I've found the book to be brilliant so far - full of brilliant one liners and depicts the mood superbly.
People can suck off the board all they want but they are still in it for themselves. They are only lowering the season ticket prices in a bid to make more money. More customers, more car park fees, more programme sales, more catering sales etc. At last, they may have seen the light.
This is still the same board though that try to sell the club, that said they had no money for players but then tried to buy the Fail, the same board that charge 7% on loans to make 'our' debt ever increasing. Pulis wasn't even their first choice manager, just like Macari wasn't for C & H, so I'd rather not give them the title of the 'football knowitalls' just yet. The board do at least seem able to seize the initiative through a triffic turn around of fortunes for the club and have perhaps realised the way to achieve this Premiership goal. Pulis with a little help, has shown that he might just deliver one day and what better way of making your money back than making it to the promised land.
People might say I'm being harsh on the board and maybe I am but I can't think of any better argument for them other than it could have been a lot, lot worse.
Anyway, here's to all our success and that the Icelandics don't drop us in a pile of shit when the debt gets 'too' big.
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Post by greyman on Feb 9, 2004 10:43:11 GMT
Personally I couldn't give a shit what mcf thinks , but I still want to know why slangking is ranting on about a book he hasn't read written by somebody he doesn't know. Also why Rex thinks we were near the bottom of Division Three recently. Unless I've missed something.
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Post by slangking on Feb 9, 2004 11:09:29 GMT
As you seem to have difficulty reading and digesting information greyman I'll do you a list.
1) Both the Guardian review and the one above confirm that this is a negative portrayal of the club.
2) Last season was far from bad considering how we entered the first division just as the tv money dried up, all credit to the players and managers for keeping us in the division.
3) This book is coming out just as we are looking to build a better future for the club, enough of this constant whinging.
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Post by greyman on Feb 9, 2004 11:35:20 GMT
1) Just tell me how you've managed to form an opinion about a book you haven't read but based on one review which may reflect the reviewer's prejudices.
2) Agreed.
3) What constant whinging?
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Post by slangking on Feb 9, 2004 11:48:50 GMT
1) I suppose if I, you or anyone else did a review it would be free of any prejudice? There have been at least three references on this site to it's being a negative portrayal of the club and the season, short of reading it line by line with you I don't know what would convince you as you seem a bit prejudiced.
3) Constant whinging from fans, haven't you noticed?
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Post by mcf on Feb 9, 2004 11:56:30 GMT
slangking
are you agsf?
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Post by danstoke on Feb 9, 2004 12:10:12 GMT
Jesus, this is so Stoke City.
Someone writes what sounds to be a cracking book about EXACTLY what it's like to follow the red and white wizards ... and someone slags it off.
Triffic.
Can someone somewhere please come up with a subject that will NOT start a row? Anyone? Is there such a thing? Are there people out there who think Alan Ball was an England hero who was badly treated? Gerrey McMahon was the irish Pele? Or Brian Little was the greatest manager we've ever seen........?
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Post by tel2u on Feb 9, 2004 12:36:09 GMT
I've just recieved a copy of the book and I'm looking forward to reading it.
I've just started reading Wingers second book 'Strides', he (Winger) has definately got a unique style of writing, but one that is easy to empathise with and makes the reading a pleasure rather than a task.
Rex
A lot of Stokies go on about being in the bottom 3 after the Cardiff game, yes we were, but we only stayed there for just over 72 hours!, so it was hardly a situation that we had to get used to for long, unlike last season!
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Post by Davef on Feb 9, 2004 12:42:28 GMT
Winger obviously decided on the theme of his book before the 2002/03 season started. Much of that season was a living nightmare, with poor performances, bad results, the ID card scheme being introduced and managers coming and going.
That wasn't down to Winger, it was how it turned out. Is he now supposed to just bin his book because this season has gone very well for the last eight or nine games?
What a stupid bloody argument.
Let's ignore the rest of our glorious history while we're at it eh?
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Post by greyman on Feb 9, 2004 12:55:42 GMT
Dave's right. This is a daft argument. slangking Why not read the book first, then decide what you think of it. Winger needs the money to pay for his hookers and booze. As for constant whinging, which thread on here do you mean? Take your pick from the following on the top page alone: Vintage players Match day buzz returning My opinion of the board is changing New players this week Stoke and palace on top form Mr Clive Clarke esq and New Stoke book out now The biggest moaner on here at the moment is you. Cheer up for God's sake.
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Post by slangking on Feb 9, 2004 12:58:31 GMT
Let's say someone writes a book about a year of what they think has been a disastrous government, that the leader is crap, the ministers suck, everything they do is wrong, the country is heading for disaster.. Just when they decide to publish everything is going right, the economy booming etc., and obviously what they have written is a load of old bollox. I suppose you could still publish it, but you wouldn't expect to sell many copies.
Greyman, this book is so last year which was my original point, we don't need this cobblers.
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Post by greyman on Feb 9, 2004 13:01:21 GMT
And still we come back to the same point. You don't even know what's in the fucking book.
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Post by maucek on Feb 9, 2004 13:10:09 GMT
I suggest everyone curious about the book's contents, buys a copy and reads it before moaning. I've got one of his other books and it was a very good read, and it's strangely thrilling to read about places you know well in real life in fiction.
I will probably buy it myself but I might get Strides first and read them all in order.
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