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Post by mumf on Apr 11, 2016 17:21:53 GMT
The problem being that there are no absolute truths in the debate . Two opposing sides with intelligent credible and persuasive arguments in support of their views . The outcome whatever that is will have some welcome consequences and some nasty surprises . It's up to the government to respect the vote and make the best of it . The potential of forcing a vote for Scottish independence may have an effect on the outcome The only thing that would persuade me to stay in the EU is if Linda Lusardi posed topless on the front of the leaflets and I am unanimous
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Post by mumf on Apr 11, 2016 7:21:08 GMT
Listen to me ....You really are scraping the fucking barrel here .
You really are thick beyond belief .
Kiss my fucking arse .
Mumf
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Post by mumf on Apr 10, 2016 23:41:18 GMT
I don't subscribe to the notion that you need a black presenter to ensure that a TV program is balanced , but can clearly see the methodology behind such a move . It's a sign of the times . Having said that I think he's very good at what he does .
In relation to the figures produced , well there will obviously be a counter claim of lies and inaccuracy .
There will also be those of us who will be strongly opposed to the findings regardless .
I have seen very similar studies produced over the years and the only thing that I find surprising is that the figures are so low compared to what I have seen in the past .
Suffice to say that you don't have to be a rocket scientist to see the large ethnic gap in terms of integration across certain sections of society .
A fact brought home to me tonight at the ELO concert in Manchester where the vast majority of punters were white , whilst the majority walking the streets on the way to the venue were not .
As to the original point ...What can we do to change this ?
As Paul Daniels once said " Not a lot " .
Their culture and religious indoctrination ( brainwashing ) is far more entrenched in their society , but we left ours behind some 40 years ago .
I personally don't have a lot of time to waste on religion and as a result treat such people with a certain mount of mistrust and contempt because I don't believe in any religious teachings or gospel .
I prefer to stroke my dogs .
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Post by mumf on Apr 10, 2016 23:18:59 GMT
Summarising .....The right dishonourable David "Blame Me " Cameron has altogether received £ 500,000 in total and paid not a fucking penny in tax , but we are all in this together .
So ...we have all those Tories who see nothing wrong with this and the rest of society who do .
You see greed in this country is still very popular and is biased in favour of those of us who already have too fucking much .
I therefore strongly urge all to avoid paying any tax where and when possible .....I certainly will .
If Dave the rave can get away with £ 500,000 then I still have some as to go to catch the greedy fucker up .
I bid you all a fond farewell ....and also the tax office .
.....and I am unanimous .
Mumf
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Post by mumf on Apr 10, 2016 19:23:43 GMT
Rock on Tommy!!!
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Post by mumf on Apr 10, 2016 19:17:28 GMT
I have just taken my seat... Over. Mumf (it's a bit foggy up here in the gods... Feels like I'm on the flight path to Ringway) I'm in block 214 Mumf. The Feeling were extraordinarily dull. And yes there's more fog than a Cliff Richard show I'm in 204 row m for mumf with my Ladies... They were pretty average...but I am an old bastuurd.
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Post by mumf on Apr 10, 2016 18:14:30 GMT
I have just taken my seat...
Over.
Mumf
(it's a bit foggy up here in the gods... Feels like I'm on the flight path to Ringway)
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Post by mumf on Apr 10, 2016 8:24:53 GMT
I bet she wears dead posh drawers ...blue ones . I bet on the front she has embroidered "D C " Dirty Cnut
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Post by mumf on Apr 10, 2016 8:21:23 GMT
Oooooooooeeerrrrrrrrr,........Mr piggin nasty .
Doesn't like being made to look a fool .....always piggin right ....
Would you like a receipt for that ?
Go and have a lie down before you blow a gasket .
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Post by mumf on Apr 9, 2016 23:53:51 GMT
Just expanding the point ...
I have always preferred to give people the opportunity to express their own conscience and good nature by never quoting or insisting on a ' price ' ...
"Utter madness " I hear you cry .....
Today was one such example ....
I was indroducing two new Huskies into an established pack of four . They were owned by a very wealthy spinster who knew her dogs . I had them collected from a breeder in Derby . It's never easy , especially where Huskies are concerned but it was a nice sunny day and the two bitches concerned were very compatible . After a couple hours of socialisation and advisory chat the client asked .." What do I owe you ...? "
I replied ..." Whatever you think it's worth "
I was not disappointed when I opened the envelope an hour later .
Dead easy ..dead relaxed ...dead honest ...nice day .
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Post by mumf on Apr 9, 2016 23:26:00 GMT
deanossisterpants ....
There are many politicians to which your argument could be applied ..both Labour and Conservative .
The same could be said for Nigel Farage and UKIP .
It's a matter of opinion , but at the end of the day you have to vote for the party ...and not the man . You have to give them the benefit of the doubt until proved otherwise .
Politics is not a life choice , but merely an observation of ideals and personal conscience . When that ideal or conscience is betrayed or destroyed , then you have to re-evaluate your position .
For many those choices merely reflect their current financial status and personal ego , whilst for others it has little to do with personal wealth or social standing .
My politics has never changed . My principles haven't either ., but I do realise that society has . The fundamental principles on what the Labour Party once stood for have changed immeasurably from Harold Wilson onwards . Those very same changes accelerated considerably under the leadership of Tony Blair and to a great extent for the better , making it a modern viable alternative to Thatcherism . You see for all Blairs frailitiies , he was very good at what he did .....He won elections . I may not agree with all his ideas and policies , but overall he provided an acceptable alternative to the Tories which we have not seen since . What we now see is a very different Labour Party . A hard left of centre party that is not liked and one will that never gain enough support to ever win an election . You see politics is all bout winning . There are no prizes for coming second . If you think that Corbyns fine and well principled , then you'll get no argument from me . However , if you then ask me if he's ever likely to win anything then I'll quote you the historical examples of Micheal Foot and Neil Pillock .
As hard as life is on a council estate being brought up on welfare benefits it at least teaches you one important thing ....Look after number 1 ., because no fucker else will .
Mumf
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Post by mumf on Apr 9, 2016 22:10:01 GMT
I have watched a few programs on North Korea and to be honest it's too convenient to call them loonies .
They live in fear of their lives .
It's the regime ...the leadership .
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Post by mumf on Apr 9, 2016 21:55:35 GMT
What I fear most is being unable to remember the safe and happy environment /community I grew up in and making the comparison to what I see now .
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Post by mumf on Apr 9, 2016 21:42:58 GMT
No ....I have not mentioned "what ll these celebrities got up to with K2 " at all . I never mentioned them .
You are confusing me with some of the others who have argued the toss .
Don't bother checking ...you know I'm correct .
Mumf
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Post by mumf on Apr 9, 2016 21:03:34 GMT
So after all the argument and rhetoric FYD "likes" the above ....Jesus wept .!
It's what I and others have been telling him all soddin day .
Unbelievable .
In Cameron's own words "Blame me " .
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Post by mumf on Apr 9, 2016 20:13:04 GMT
This debate is about the morality of Cameron's actions and the clarity of his responses FYD . There was no suggestion about anything illegal . There's no point fucking about making excuses for him . He's already admitted that he dropped a bollock FFS ...! Do you understand ? He now has to preside over tightening up the process ....I bet that becomes a bit difficult for him ... Go and have a lie down . Here's one for you, since you seem to be reasonably economically left: a piece on the fairly honourable Tristram Hunt MP's site about redefining socialism (and the Labour party) in light of recent (ish) developments. www.tristramhunt.com/lionandtheunicornSeem to vaguely remember agreeing with the analysis of Neu-Labours abandoning the working class, but he's the exact sort of condescending poxbridge twat that is responsible for that state of affairs. Don't know a great deal about Tristram Hunt , but he does make a good case for not deserting those of us ( both Labour and conservatives ) who prefer to see the countries cultural identity maintained and preserved. It may not be apart of your agenda but it is mine . I don't follow anyone or any party blindly anymore but feel deeply disenfranchised with the Labour Party as do many more of my generation . This has seen a remarkable rise in the fortunes of UKIP and those who oppose the EUropean state of Europe and all it stands for . There are many more examples of posters on here who feel the same as a matter of fact . There is no right or wrong to his comments . He is simply expressing his vision as you are , but if I may so more eloquently . The labour parties policy on immigration , self governance and trade agreements are even more strong than that of the current Tories but are singing from the same hymn book as them. I dont subscribe to all that as you may already be aware . I am a traditionalist and strongly believe that we should look after our own interests first which predominantly means looking after our own poor and working classes and disabled people etc . Therefore , what we are debating here is simply your preferred vision of the future . It comes as no coincidence that under Corbyns tenure the party has continued to flounder and will continue to do so until such a time it listens to the more moderate Labour supporters . I think this is clearly what Tristram Hunt is directly addressing and given the last election debacle for Labour has just cause to do so . He may come from a more well heeled background than you or I , but I don't hold that against him per se . Afterall , you can't choose your parents can you ? It's more about your own life choices isn't it ?
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Post by mumf on Apr 9, 2016 18:01:03 GMT
This debate is about the morality of Cameron's actions and the clarity of his responses FYD . There was no suggestion about anything illegal .
There's no point fucking about making excuses for him . He's already admitted that he dropped a bollock FFS ...!
Do you understand ?
He now has to preside over tightening up the process ....I bet that becomes a bit difficult for him ...
Go and have a lie down .
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Post by mumf on Apr 9, 2016 17:40:36 GMT
I got fuck all....
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Post by mumf on Apr 9, 2016 17:37:14 GMT
My eldest got first second and fifth and won £120 ....dont know how much she bet ?
I'll ring her ...
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Post by mumf on Apr 9, 2016 17:23:15 GMT
They maybe loonies , but Im pretty sure that after many years of oppression they would lick the yanks boots given the choice between their leader and western culture .
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Post by mumf on Apr 9, 2016 16:34:52 GMT
He will be doing his stretches one morning whilst still in his xxxl y fronts and the yanks will zap him with a drone .
The end .
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Post by mumf on Apr 9, 2016 16:27:13 GMT
This morning claiming to have developed a rocket motor that can deliver nuclear war heads to USA. How long do you think the Americans will endure these threats before they take direct military action? Kim young fucker will die in suspicious circumstances .
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Post by mumf on Apr 9, 2016 16:23:15 GMT
Three teams who will hopefully finish below us next season, Burnley, Hull, Brighton ? Yes ...me too.
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Post by mumf on Apr 9, 2016 16:18:48 GMT
I have always loved rich Tories ....Fegg hayes was where it first started ....I was surrounded by them .
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Post by mumf on Apr 9, 2016 11:09:07 GMT
FYD I would not say morally outraged, but yes I wish that he had not had a trust for his family. The main difference in the two is that Cameron is Prime Minister and more importantly HOW the two handled the situation. Cameron was clearly evasive and reluctant in revealing his "mistake". And I think, for me, this then goes on to reflect the whole character and attitude of the current Conservative government, who appear to have contempt for the ordinary "plebs"(Andrew Mitchell was of the same ilk). Out of touch. This thread is about Cameron as Prime Minster, so I don't really want to divert it by trying to defend Farage. (If it was up to me Suzanne Evans would be leader, and Douglas Carswell more prominent but unfortunately there is a major split. Having said that the EU issue is totally cross party and non party political and Farage, as the closest we have to a conviction politician, would wipe the floor with Cameron on this single issue). Unfortunately, being realistic, there is always going to be some conflict between the personal private life of politicians when they have an opportunity to make money and then protect their families, and their public life. The whole affair does expose the divide between the political class and those they pertain to represent. The expenses scandal and Etonesque educated background are other examples which demonstrate the divide. Well with his expenses if Farage was an MP he almost certainly would be a conviction politician. So really you're saying because you like Nigel and his policies you'll give him a bit of a pass even though as a party leader he was standing to try and be PM. This transparency you're all for in tax matters you must find it strange Nigel would vote with MEP'S to hide details of party funding then something odd about that I can't quite Putin my finger on. This morality seems to get very selective for everyone. £53000 to advise on Samantha's fashion FYD ..... Wot dust think ?
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Post by mumf on Apr 9, 2016 11:04:30 GMT
You cant polish a turd .
Mumf
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Post by mumf on Apr 9, 2016 7:17:30 GMT
Detest all soaps, Eastbenders, boronation street, etc. Dont bother with game shows, anything with Ant & Dic hosting Enjoy nature,geography type programmes Can't be arsed to pick 3 of each Emmerdale might be your cup of tea...? Ooo arrrrh....
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Post by mumf on Apr 9, 2016 7:16:04 GMT
Weekend TV seems to be the worst. Reality TV and game shows do my head in too. I dread to think what the appeal is.
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Post by mumf on Apr 8, 2016 23:42:19 GMT
unless of course you were driven by old religious practices and divisions. So, most of Scotland, then? The rest of Scotland is more the warm up group ...the crumbs . The main band is Celtic and rangers . If that answers your question .
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Post by mumf on Apr 8, 2016 23:26:45 GMT
I find Scottish football very incestuous and repetitive . You would have be either alcoholic or have OCD to buy a season ticket and watch it on a regular basis . Unless of course you were driven by old religious practices and divisions. It needs a shake up ...got knows how you could improve it .Im just glad I dont live up there .!
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