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Fallon
Nov 12, 2017 16:03:38 GMT
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Post by manmarking on Nov 12, 2017 16:03:38 GMT
Lol. Blocked me after two posts as well - the truth must really sting What a snowflake Followyoudown has always been a very prissy character, happy to dish it out, just can't take it back. He appears to have gone all alt-right and decided that if he doesn't like what's posted or who's posted it, it's fake news. Weak Most of the right wing warriors on here are, ironically, snowflakes tbh mate. Tdc has now made himself a safe space from me too It'd be hilarious if it weren't so obviously idiotic and hypocritical
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Post by manmarking on Nov 9, 2017 14:08:24 GMT
Tremendous brown nosing deflection again from Smithers! I wonder if some kind of alarm goes off in followyoudown's hovel when someone criticises a Tory on the Oatcake lol. And then out comes the Hamas/IRA/antisemitic Corbyn stuff one more time! I wonder if Roger is his lodger as they both seem to respond simultaneously. I believe that fyd(ler on the roof) has only the one account to be fair mate. He just posts enough for ten men You're quite correct about Todger though, who has several alt accounts. The most prominent of which is thevoid - summat about vodger and vadger, and how they love mashed potato ...
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Post by manmarking on Nov 8, 2017 10:58:09 GMT
Since when were you the great arbiter of sticking to the original point of a thread, fraise? Plenty of times you've gone off on one with EU psychobabble when it had nothing to do with anything If you just want to discuss things with people who agree with everything you say, stick to chewing the fat with your bumchums down the CC They've released you then? id probably agree with momo's point if it was a separate one, but it's conflicting with the point of the thread......a woman throws insulting bad language at a two yr old and momo starts a post about the morality of the queens finances anyway, no ones interested in what you have to say....move on. No one's hugely interested in what you have to say either tbf fraise, beyond your little coterie of alts and right wing echos. Maybe we should set up a forum for boring old cunts who no one's interested in. Oh, wait, we're already on it And what, dare I ask, have I been released from?
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Post by manmarking on Nov 7, 2017 22:23:08 GMT
Wrong thread momo This is about a grown woman's verbal attack of a two year old Since when were you the great arbiter of sticking to the original point of a thread, fraise? Plenty of times you've gone off on one with EU psychobabble when it had nothing to do with anything If you just want to discuss things with people who agree with everything you say, stick to chewing the fat with your bumchums down the CC
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Post by manmarking on Nov 6, 2017 16:55:34 GMT
I think your denim shorts are too tight, Magnum - they're cutting off the blood to your brain Imagine for a second that ************** isn't the only person on here who uses italics and "daft sod". Just imagine. How about some bold? And here's bold and italics together! It's almost as if anyone could be mistaken for him if they use some basic formatting tools and a few choice words, isn't it FELLA Triggered to fuck Simon, triggered to fuck 😂 I know you are, vodger
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Post by manmarking on Nov 5, 2017 16:57:21 GMT
I wonder if anyone proof reads her stuff before being let loose on the populous. Maybe it is as appears she opens her big fat mouth without any prompting, she is a massive liability it makes you wonder why she is anywhere near the shadow cabinet , shadow home secretary fucking hell it's hilarious. Your all-consuming obsession with Diane Abbott would be even more hilarious, were it not so clearly founded in genuine hatred and racism. You're a sad little loser, carps
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Post by manmarking on Nov 5, 2017 16:53:07 GMT
Well pretty much everyone thinks it's you. Then take this as an object lesson in the effects of group dynamics, herd mentality, and getting information from an echo chamber
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Post by manmarking on Nov 5, 2017 16:34:16 GMT
According to BBC radio 2 today tv/ media are considering moving over the channel because they deal a lot with the eu and it will mean thousands of uk jobs gone Gooarn fuck off! And take your repeats with you Lying cunts Says a man who reads The Express. Classic
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Post by manmarking on Nov 5, 2017 16:32:11 GMT
Correct, although I don't think they're trying to get out as such - they're generally wooden and inanimate. Bit like your posts these days It's true my posts are shorter and more reactionary to other posts these days, I generally only used to start long themed threads based on my own experiences, e.g. failed attempts to start a band, failed attempts to write a novel, skirmishes with the fringes of the swinging scene in Telford, etc, and I'd exhausted those themes and didn't want to start repeating myself on same forum & threads, it would have got boring very quickly. I did briefly have a football themed "She -wee" business sideline so may give that an airing soon. I've joined a couple of other forums in the meantime, there's a really good one on Jack The Ripper but they are quite strict on grammar and staying on topic, so I run into trouble frequently Well I certainly can't recommend repeating yourself on the same forum/threads highly enough A mixture of sledgehammer-like repetition with odd flashes of originality has helped me to achieve all I've wanted to on here And yes, please she-wee away - I was a big fan of your older material. I always wondered: was chugger one of yours?
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Fallon
Nov 5, 2017 16:23:30 GMT
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Post by manmarking on Nov 5, 2017 16:23:30 GMT
For the Sun to make this a front page story they must have had a sniff of a bigger story on him or were fishing for more on him and he either feared more coming out or has tried to spike it by resigning. Only in the UK would this be happening, thousands of kids abused up and down the country by grooming gangs with no one in authority taking any responsibility. Classic piece of deflection from Waylon followyoudown Smithers there, absolutely perfect example of his hatred of any Tory being criticised and his almost Pavlovian dog whistle response to try to deflect away from it lol I don't know if I'm more surprised at the lack of mention of Hamas/IRA and Corbyn or his concern about being groomed? Lol. Blocked me after two posts as well - the truth must really sting
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Post by manmarking on Nov 5, 2017 10:43:26 GMT
Classic Express, classic Northy The Express article misleadingly twists a quote for it's own headline. Then Northy twists it even further on this thread title To summarise: at no point did the MP call for people to stop tickling children (as per Express) or for the practice to be banned (as per Northy). At least not according to the quote that's in the shitty article anyway What we have here is a Russian doll of lies - it's bullshit within bullshit Are Russian dolls those puppets where there are lots of little multiple people inside one big person trying to get out? Correct, although I don't think they're trying to get out as such - they're generally wooden and inanimate. Bit like your posts these days
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Post by manmarking on Nov 5, 2017 10:40:13 GMT
What the actual fuck are you on about, you headcase?! I've never sent you an email, you daft sod - I don't even know who you are! Except that you're some mad old bastard calling for another holocaust on an online forum. And stop calling me Shirley Simon You continually prove who you are, italics, calling people daft sod. Just a few little clues as to how you keep " Exposing yourself"...No pun intended.... I think your denim shorts are too tight, Magnum - they're cutting off the blood to your brain Imagine for a second that ************** isn't the only person on here who uses italics and "daft sod". Just imagine. How about some bold? And here's bold and italics together! It's almost as if anyone could be mistaken for him if they use some basic formatting tools and a few choice words, isn't it FELLA
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Fallon
Nov 4, 2017 9:11:08 GMT
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Post by manmarking on Nov 4, 2017 9:11:08 GMT
All the more reason that it's odd you didn't take such a moralistic stand before, fyd. I mean, why was no one taking more responsibility over serious issues like child grooming, rather than focusing on something so comparatively trivial involving an opposition politician? I wonder...By the by, you evidently don't actually know what a strawman is, which isn't altogether surprising Honestly you have to be the most tiresome person on here but luckily a couple of weeks ago I discovered something that makes the oatcake much more enjoyable, bye Fair play mate There's no point trying to justify a stance that's totally unjustifiableSo credit due for quitting while you're ahead
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Post by manmarking on Nov 4, 2017 9:06:29 GMT
You were calling for a "Final Solution" yesterday, and now hand wringing about gun control. Bizarre.Stop stalking me please SIMON....And I do not believe that BS you spun me in yr e mail either. What the actual fuck are you on about, you headcase?! I've never sent you an email, you daft sod - I don't even know who you are! Except that you're some mad old bastard calling for another holocaust on an online forum. And stop calling me Shirley Simon
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Post by manmarking on Nov 4, 2017 8:57:58 GMT
Classic Express, classic Northy The Express article misleadingly twists a quote for it's own headline. Then Northy twists it even further on this thread title To summarise: at no point did the MP call for people to stop tickling children (as per Express) or for the practice to be banned (as per Northy). At least not according to the quote that's in the shitty article anyway What we have here is a Russian doll of lies - it's bullshit within bullshit
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Post by manmarking on Nov 2, 2017 14:26:53 GMT
3 dead in Colorado, gunman escaped. Virtually a daily occurrence that side of the pond, thank fuck we have gun controls. You were calling for a "Final Solution" yesterday, and now hand wringing about gun control. Bizarre.
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Fallon
Nov 2, 2017 14:01:43 GMT
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Post by manmarking on Nov 2, 2017 14:01:43 GMT
Funny, you didn't seem to give a fuck about no one taking responsibility for important stuff like child grooming when Jeremy Corbyn couldn't find a seat on a train. How odd You love a good strawman argument don't you now unless I am mistaken there were no allegations of sexual misbehaviour /abuse re traingate, a few people suggested Jezza was a self abuser but by the by. so there would be no comparison to make between the two. All the more reason that it's odd you didn't take such a moralistic stand before, fyd. I mean, why was no one taking more responsibility over serious issues like child grooming, rather than focusing on something so comparatively trivial involving an opposition politician? I wonder...By the by, you evidently don't actually know what a strawman is, which isn't altogether surprising
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Fallon
Nov 2, 2017 13:32:41 GMT
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Post by manmarking on Nov 2, 2017 13:32:41 GMT
Not actually true mate but then I've already gathered from the Robbo thread that you believe whatever the right wing press tells you And I've gathered from your many postings on here that you're a complete and utter pillock who makes massive generalisations and assumptions, such as the one above, without having a clue who or what you are talking about. If you actually read up on either 1970s economics or "Traingate", you'd see how wrong you are But I assume you won't do that because you're seemingly just another angry old right wing EE keyboard warrior who loses his shit when confronted by alternative opinions and chucks around the insults. You're in good company anyway, mate so go for your life. Not as if I give a fuck what you think about me
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Post by manmarking on Nov 2, 2017 13:21:15 GMT
Totally different entities making totally different products under totally different conditions. In other words, you can't compare Eastern European cars of the 70s to British ones. British cars were vastly superior in almost every conceivable way Whilst there were clearly some very serious problems with BL, these have been exaggerated over the intervening years beyond all truth. For the simple political expedient of trying to persuade people that unions are evil. As opposed to a mechanism which, ironically, would improve the lot of most posters on this board. The very definition of turkeys voting for Christmas I have no reason to think unions are evil, but I will absolutely disagree that the problems with British cars have been exaggerated. They were dreadful. I think the opposite of what you say is actually true. Many people love to look back at British cars with rose tinted glasses. How many times I hear an old bloke saying "ooooooh, I had a lovely little Austin Montego, never missed a beat" despite the fact Montego's were plagued with rust problems and chronic unreliability, especially the early models. Rinse and repeat for many cars. There are very few BL cars on the face of it, that weren't riddled with faults, and while people say "Oh German cars were bad back then too".... were they? Because all the time these dreadful BL cars were being knocked out in the 70's and 80's, you could go and buy a Volkswagen MK1/MK2 Golf GTI..... two cars which were far less susceptible to rust, had much improved engines and have now stood the test of time. Rose tinted glasses should be saved for the cars that were actually good in that era, not crappy BL bullshit. Regardless, most of what I've just said has little do with unions. Poor design, under-investment, bad engineering and shoddy workmanship. I'd agree with some of that but I'd add that it's all about context. In the context of the 1970s, cars in general were more shoddily built and less reliable. French and Italian cars of the 1970s, for example, were really no better than British ones in terms of build quality or reliability (or industrial strife for that matter). Although to be fair, quality wise, the JD Power Survey etc didn't exist so there's actually no real evidence beyond anecdotal stories either way. It's probably fair to say that German and Japanese cars were superior in build quality and reliability but then they were probably superior to all other car building nations in that regard, not just us. British cars were plagued by all the problems you mention but in spite of everything, some models were very beautiful, some were incredibly innovative, some were both And in terms of rose tinted spectacles, I'm not for a minute suggesting there weren't shit cars made by BL. But there were great ones too. Many somewhere in between - great concepts flawed in final design and execution - as you've touched on already. Again though, that's not a union issue. Which brings me back to my central point - that whilst industrial strife played a part in BL's demise, other factors were far more to blame. Specifically external economic ones - I can't stress how important they were. And, as you say, a legacy of underinvestment, inefficiency and poor management
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Fallon
Nov 2, 2017 12:58:36 GMT
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Post by manmarking on Nov 2, 2017 12:58:36 GMT
Funny, you didn't seem to give a fuck about no one taking responsibility for important stuff like child grooming when Jeremy Corbyn pretended he couldn't find a seat on a train after walking past several empty ones. How odd There. Corrected that for you. Not actually true mate but then I've already gathered from the Robbo thread that you believe whatever the right wing press tells you
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New York
Nov 2, 2017 7:28:10 GMT
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Post by manmarking on Nov 2, 2017 7:28:10 GMT
At least some of our more virulent rightists are now being more honest about what they actually are So who's going to the ovens, shangs? Just the radical Muslims? Or Muslims in general? (You can never be too careful, after all). And would you add "the left", political dissidents, gypsies, the disabled etc to that list as well? Lefties 1st...Definitely... As I suspected - not bothered about Islamic fundamentalism at all In fact I imagine you enjoy getting cross about it
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Fallon
Nov 1, 2017 23:10:26 GMT
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Post by manmarking on Nov 1, 2017 23:10:26 GMT
For the Sun to make this a front page story they must have had a sniff of a bigger story on him or were fishing for more on him and he either feared more coming out or has tried to spike it by resigning. Only in the UK would this be happening, thousands of kids abused up and down the country by grooming gangs with no one in authority taking any responsibility. Funny, you didn't seem to give a fuck about no one taking responsibility for important stuff like child grooming when Jeremy Corbyn couldn't find a seat on a train. How odd
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Post by manmarking on Nov 1, 2017 23:04:04 GMT
Totally different entities making totally different products under totally different conditions. In other words, you can't compare Eastern European cars of the 70s to British ones. British cars were vastly superior in almost every conceivable way Whilst there were clearly some very serious problems with BL, these have been exaggerated over the intervening years beyond all truth. For the simple political expedient of trying to persuade people that unions are evil. As opposed to a mechanism which, ironically, would improve the lot of most posters on this board. The very definition of turkeys voting for Christmas They haven't been exaggerated at all. There seemed to be barely a day in the early to mid '70s when there wasn't a strike or a walk out at one BL factory or another. Ford, Vauxhall & Chrysler were just as bad, leading to the closure of most of their plants in the UK. Where do you think the "You won't get me I'm part of the union" philosophy came from? Car workers, steel workers, miners, railway workers and many others thought they were untouchable and, for a few years, they were. But, to use your phrase, they were like 'turkeys voting for Christmas'. Somebody had to take this mob and the country by the scruff of its neck and bring it back down to the realities of the world, so they between them set the perfect platform for Thatcher to enter, stage right. So when you are spouting about how the truth has been hijacked, it hasn't and wasn't. It was the unions which were hijacked by a load of Trotskyist militants who weren't 'fighting the fight' on behalf of their membership, they were fighting the fight on behalf of themselves and the powerbase they hoped to build. The militant unions set the stage for Thatcher to destroy what bits of industry that were left which they themselves hadn't destroyed. Without the militancy of the unions, Thatcher would never have been PM. And that, largely, began the path that has led this country to where it is now, overly dependent on financiers and bankers and manufacturing bugger all to bring in foreign currency. It is true to say, however, that the management and business philosophy of BL left much to be desired. As has already been pointed out, there was little to no sharing of engines and other technologies so we ended up with Austin Morris having 1.8 litre & 2.2 litre engines, Triumph having an 1850 and a 2 litre engine, and Rover having a 2 litre engine with barely a shared component between them. Absolutely crazy. And with such a shambles of management and workforce, plus very poor and dated products and no significant investments or financing in sight (save some attempts by Honda to integrate with Triumph), there was only one way the BL story was going to end. And, unfortunaately, end it did. People in unions generally don't think they're untouchable - in fact that's the entire point of joining one. It's very flawed to look at the behaviour of the unions in the 70s as just being a load of unruly mobs being militant and unreasonable. There were economic conditions present that ruled everything. Those conditions influenced unions decisions to push for more money. The fuel crisis, the rise of OPEC, middle eastern instability, stagflation, emerging globalisation, the dropping of the Gold Standard by the US - all of these things massively affected people's cost of living. (And they all absolutely dwarf trade unions in terms of factors that influenced the decline of our car industry). Up until the 70s, people were used to ever rising standards of living, so why wouldn't they push for ever higher wages? It was unheard of not to. Sure, nowadays we just blindly accept that the rich get richer and the poor get poorer and there's nothing we can do about it. Only since Thatcher has it become accepted wisdom that stuff should just get more expensive, while wages stagnate and ordinary folk make up the shortfall with ballooning personal credit. It's a con trick, and rewriting the history of unions in the 70s without the context of countless highly significant economic factors is part of a larger move by the establishment to keep our hopelessly broken system on life support. There were excesses on the union side, sure, but then I did acknowledge that some of their behaviour was partly to blame. That really is vastly exaggerated in terms of its actual influence on the death of BL though. It made the headlines because it was dramatic and because powerful people wanted to deunionise Britain.
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Nov 1, 2017 22:33:41 GMT
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Post by manmarking on Nov 1, 2017 22:33:41 GMT
There's literally nothing not grown up about the post I sent you, mate. You just can't take questioning or anyone disagreeing with you. It's sad really but as I said the other day, I don't blame you for finding it tiring being shown to be wrong so frequently. It must be exhausting. You clearly made the comparison and clearly tried to find moral equivalence, calling shangs' post and Jon Sopel's "opposite". When they're no such thing. If you didn't mean to give that impression, why even mention Sopel's tweet in the same breath? Why not just criticise shangs unequivocally? Naturally, instead of facing up to the shortcomings of your non-argument, you're deflecting it onto me ( again) And you're turning it into one of those classic EE "I'm not talking to you anymore" pissy fits But none of that changes what you posted Oh deary me. Admin's problem child has had too many E numbers again. "Admin's problem child?" Can you translate please, vodge?
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Fallon
Nov 1, 2017 21:32:35 GMT
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Post by manmarking on Nov 1, 2017 21:32:35 GMT
The list apparently is made up of only Conservative MPs. Interesting The list was compiled and leaked by Conservative researchers so it's not all that surprising, is it?
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Nov 1, 2017 21:14:01 GMT
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Post by manmarking on Nov 1, 2017 21:14:01 GMT
It's fairly bizarre to compare those two posts in any way, tdc. One is someone calling for an as-yet-undefined group of people to be exterminated, Holocaust-style. The other is a BBC journalist pointing out that the MO of some recent terror attacks is similar. I think most normal people would agree that the former is quite a bit worse than the latter. And that those two posts are in no way "opposite sides" of a debate Of course, you're so desperate to morally justify your own lurch rightwards that you'll find equivalence for the worst excesses of your newfound comrades anywhere. Even where there is none I haven't 'compared them' & am fully aware they're of 'different strengths'. Hence the reason I used a serious tone towards one, and a mocking tone towards the other. It's become quite tiresome to keep having to explain this basic shit to you, but then, you're just like the latter fella, constantly doing everything you can to deflect & shift the topic of conversation. Knock yourself out anyroad, Champ. This is the last reply you'll be getting from me on any thread... Unless you oneday learn to act like a grown up. ... Oh nearly forgot There's literally nothing not grown up about the post I sent you, mate. You just can't take questioning or anyone disagreeing with you. It's sad really but as I said the other day, I don't blame you for finding it tiring being shown to be wrong so frequently. It must be exhausting. You clearly made the comparison and clearly tried to find moral equivalence, calling shangs' post and Jon Sopel's "opposite". When they're no such thing. If you didn't mean to give that impression, why even mention Sopel's tweet in the same breath? Why not just criticise shangs unequivocally? Naturally, instead of facing up to the shortcomings of your non-argument, you're deflecting it onto me ( again) And you're turning it into one of those classic EE "I'm not talking to you anymore" pissy fits But none of that changes what you posted
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New York
Nov 1, 2017 20:47:33 GMT
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Post by manmarking on Nov 1, 2017 20:47:33 GMT
Shang's post is completely idiotic & doesn't help matters... I don't believe it's the first time he's done it either, infact I remember calling him out on something not too long ago... It destroys anykind of debate which is much needed, and does nothing but play into extremists hands. Just like this doesn't help from the opposite side... Well, being from the BBC it's quite clear that we need to be taking this Tweet seriously. Now, are they Mini Coopers? Ford Escorts? BMW M5s? I'm quite concerned because there is a red Renault Clio parked outside my house, is it red Renault Clio's that are attacking people? It's fairly bizarre to compare those two posts in any way, tdc. One is someone calling for an as-yet-undefined group of people to be exterminated, Holocaust-style. The other is a BBC journalist pointing out that the MO of some recent terror attacks is similar. I think most normal people would agree that the former is quite a bit worse than the latter. And that those two posts are in no way "opposite sides" of a debate Of course, you're so desperate to morally justify your own lurch rightwards that you'll find equivalence for the worst excesses of your newfound comrades anywhere. Even where there is none
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Fallon
Nov 1, 2017 19:52:50 GMT
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Post by manmarking on Nov 1, 2017 19:52:50 GMT
Lol
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Post by manmarking on Nov 1, 2017 19:15:41 GMT
BL was nationalised by Tony Benn, under a Labour government. You are correct. What does that have to do with the price of bread? Had it not been nationalised, it probably would have died. BMC was on the verge of collapsing. Labour tried to keep some 250,000 employees in work. People can, and will, bag on Red Robbo, but they'll conveniently forget that huge problem with BL, which is that the quality of British cars really started to plummet in the 60's (before the nationalisation) and then pretty much flat-lined in the 70's and 80's. Designs were outdated. Engines were outdated. Cars were badly assembled, often by inexperienced workers (take the Rover SD1) and were routinely under-engineered. That is all ignoring the fact many of them were also poorly designed (prone to rusting) and cheaply manufactured. It's mad to think, that at the same time you could buy a Morris Marina.... You could also buy a BMW 3 Series (E21).... And there wasn't a massive difference in price. People bought British out of blind loyalty to BL. Once they bought a Volkswagen or a BMW or went Japanese, they quickly realised that they'd been throwing their money away buying shit British cars. The quality pretty much mirrored the eastern European cars of the time, all built in the communist block by underfunded state owned companies, no coincidence that they were as poor as their eastern European counterparts. The unions lead by red Robbo were intransigent and played a part in the downfall of BL, the man was a Marxist twat who will not be missed. Totally different entities making totally different products under totally different conditions. In other words, you can't compare Eastern European cars of the 70s to British ones. British cars were vastly superior in almost every conceivable way Whilst there were clearly some very serious problems with BL, these have been exaggerated over the intervening years beyond all truth. For the simple political expedient of trying to persuade people that unions are evil. As opposed to a mechanism which, ironically, would improve the lot of most posters on this board. The very definition of turkeys voting for Christmas
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Post by manmarking on Nov 1, 2017 18:01:29 GMT
At least some of our more virulent rightists are now being more honest about what they actually are So who's going to the ovens, shangs? Just the radical Muslims? Or Muslims in general? (You can never be too careful, after all). And would you add "the left", political dissidents, gypsies, the disabled etc to that list as well? Send them all in.... and when you're at it, throw in gingers and fat people as well. Blonde hair and blue eyes mein fuhrer. Once again, a perfectly legitimate thread about a terrorist atrocity, that needs openly discussing, turns into a fucking discussion bordering on Neo-Nazism. Afraid so mate. And technically not bordering on any kind of Naziism - citing the Final Solution is as literal an interpretation as it gets. Grim.
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