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Post by rambo61 on Oct 17, 2009 19:12:13 GMT
Bearing in mind we won 2-1 was T.P right with his team today? Personally ,after 15 mins I was thinking "I was wrong ,we,re at them and looking good". By half time i was back to the opinion that we were far to defensive as a team at home .The team we eventually finished with was probably the one I think we should have started with.We could then have brought Tunny on for Ethers who looked tired at the end.
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Post by MetalPotter on Oct 17, 2009 19:14:14 GMT
We won, so yeah right selection.
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Post by danmase on Oct 17, 2009 19:16:26 GMT
The result papered over a few cracks today. The team just doesn't look 'right' at the minute.
The midfield is unbalanced with Delap on the right, and with a very limited, defensive minded Whitehead next to Sal in the middle. TP has more options than he has ever had an I'm not sure he knows his best team yet, and there remains the Tuncay question.
But we won - so TP got it right.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Oct 17, 2009 19:17:14 GMT
We won so I'm very happy, but I do think it was clear to see we improved when Liam (and Whelan to a degree) came on.
I said it earlier today but I still haven't seen owt to convince me that
Liam Rory Whelan Ethers
isn't our best midfield four.
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Post by BraveSirRobin on Oct 17, 2009 19:17:18 GMT
Wrong selection.He used to go on about 'square pegs in round holes' yet even though we have the players that fit,he refuses to do it.
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Post by ryouonthistrain on Oct 17, 2009 19:18:10 GMT
Got there in the end, but sat back too much towards the end of the 1st half.Two on the flanks is a must!
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Oct 17, 2009 19:18:22 GMT
I would say NO, but only because I think we looked better when he took Delap off and put Lawrence on, it was only then that Stoke started to open the play up a bit by getting down the flanks.
Plus, if he's gonna start with Diao, I would still rather see Whelan playing along side him!!!
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Post by expectedtoulouse on Oct 17, 2009 19:20:56 GMT
Good win, wrong team selection. We were lucky that they didn't put their chances away, and that the ball dropped for us. We should have gone with:
Sorensen
Wilkinson
Shawcross
A-D Faye
Higginbotham
Lawrence
Whelan
Delap
Etherington
Fuller
Beattie
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 17, 2009 19:21:34 GMT
The result says yes.
My head and what I witnessed with my eyes says no.
We sat back as ever and we need Lawrence at least on the pitch from the off. I thought we were poor but we won, so I don't really give a shite.
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Post by rambo61 on Oct 17, 2009 19:25:55 GMT
My thoughts really are Fuck it ,we won!" but as the season goes on will T.P,s defensive attitude start to bite us in the arse?? ???
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Post by lancer on Oct 17, 2009 19:33:12 GMT
The result says yes, because we won.
We can always question the team before kick off, but to be fair, after we've played and won, we have to accept that the team was the right one. It really doesn't matter at this juncture HOW we win, but that we win is paramount.
We can never predict or assume, that a different team ( our own team) would have won the game.
TP drives me mad, sometimes, but usually I have to eat humble pie after the game, and long may that continue.
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Post by silsdenstokie on Oct 17, 2009 19:34:34 GMT
No I think he got it wrong but we got away with it. Daio and Whitehead should not start together in central midfied at home....
Result better than the performance
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Post by henry on Oct 17, 2009 19:38:42 GMT
no, delap was fucking wank again playing out on the right. if pulis does'nt want him in the middle then he should drop him.
also, despite scoring 2 goals, beattie was piss poor.
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Post by eriksson74 on Oct 17, 2009 19:43:09 GMT
No, no balance and no outley. If we are to set uo as an away side we have to have players who can tackle and pass, and not just tackle and give the ball away!
3 points so there's some justification, but wrong starting 11
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Post by salopstick on Oct 17, 2009 19:45:54 GMT
The result papered over a few cracks today. The team just doesn't look 'right' at the minute. The midfield is unbalanced with Delap on the right, and with a very limited, defensive minded Whitehead next to Sal in the middle. TP has more options than he has ever had an I'm not sure he knows his best team yet, and there remains the Tuncay question. But we won - so TP got it right. delap is too slow on the right, he works hard but not good enough in that position play him in the centre or drop him |
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Post by fromafar07 on Oct 17, 2009 19:54:57 GMT
a win is a win !!
however, with squad selections like this one, especially the midfield< games are harder to play than they should be imo. there just is no midfield play with who he started with today and against Everton. as soon as forward moving production comes from midfield instead of them all defending, then more wins and more comfortable wins will come
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Post by tony harrison on Oct 17, 2009 19:56:12 GMT
Wrong team selection to start with, better selection of footballers on the bench.
Finished the game with a better team than we started with, Ethers, Whelan, Delap and Lawrence is our best midfield set up.
Abdoulaye moving in to midfield Huth into the middle of defense and Wilko at right back would be our strongest side.
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Post by Olgrligm on Oct 17, 2009 19:59:29 GMT
It worked at the start, but West Ham were very poor. We were much better with Liam on the pitch.
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Post by banburypotter on Oct 17, 2009 20:01:14 GMT
i said as much today that the team is not right and as far as i am concerned we should not have started today with the same line up that started away at everton.
for a start that was an away set and we were at home.
it is inevitable that the score line will hide this fact
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Post by stokemark on Oct 17, 2009 20:34:32 GMT
Delap and Whitehead were both poor and Huth looked uncomfortable at right back so its a 'no' from me
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Post by bunnyscfc on Oct 17, 2009 20:39:16 GMT
we won, so yes, but...
why do we often end up with a much better team than what started the game.
That bloke who moaned about TP on P&G after the game sounded small-time. No matter what you think of him, how can you not give credit to a gaffer who has you so high in this league? WOuld have made a much better P&G if someone with balance had come on and asked why we started a home game with 4 centre halves and 3 defensive midfielders.
I was screaming for TP to change it after 55 minutes as I felt WHU were scared shitless at the back. He did so, a tad too late, but we won. I'm now on the brandy and happy as a pig in muck.
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Post by Stretfordpotterer on Oct 17, 2009 20:41:44 GMT
it's never as clear cut as right or wrong, we got the result and thats what matters. Personally i think with a bit more guile in the middle we could have wiped the floor with them today. i think TP is good enough in the transfer market and on the training ground to get away with some of his slightly negative tendencies. he's made us the sort of team that can play below there best and still win, in the top flight. But i think he could today, and can a lot more often, afford to be a little more positive. we invited them on to us today because we denied ourself sufficient outlets in the middle of the park.
they were only ever really looking to get a point and for me we could have been better set up to take advantage of that
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Post by rambo61 on Oct 17, 2009 20:47:52 GMT
we won, so yes, but... why do we often end up with a much better team than what started the game. That bloke who moaned about TP on P&G after the game sounded small-time. No matter what you think of him, how can you not give credit to a gaffer who has you so high in this league? WOuld have made a much better P&G if someone with balance had come on and asked why we started a home game with 4 centre halves and 3 defensive midfielders. I was screaming for TP to change it after 55 minutes as I felt WHU were scared shitless at the back. He did so, a tad too late, but we won. I'm now on the brandy and happy as a pig in muck. Bunny, for the first time I really thought this was the time for Tunny. As the y pushed forwards the room at the back was unbelievable.Surely, even an unfit Tunjai would have taken the piss?? As you ,now on the vodka and v. happy!! ;D ;D |
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Post by stanners on Oct 17, 2009 21:27:40 GMT
Whilst i'm a fan of Pulis, Wrong team choice for me I'm afraid.
Liam shouldn't be left out of the team on current form.
Whelan is a better option than Whitehead (who makes good cover but shouldn't be starting).
Wilkinson should start and Huth should start left back with Collins on the bench.
On the positive side, I think Diao had a good game and...
I was REALLY pleased that Tone didn't opt to stick on an extra defender and adopt a defensive formation after we scored the second goal. Whelan and Lawrence were the right subs to bring on. Kits played well again and it's nice to have a headache when it comes to choosing quality attackers.
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Post by timmymallett on Oct 17, 2009 21:31:22 GMT
Correct selection. Super Diao, Delap and Whitehead are a joy to watch.
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Post by kingdeano on Oct 17, 2009 21:35:04 GMT
when i saw the team i was ready cry, but the 1st 15mins i honestly thought we had tips off pele, we were superb and deserved more than our 1 goal! then we went too defensive and let them grow in confidence! thought he made the subs at the right time, and the win was important so cant be too downbeat! but we really do need more of that 1st 15 mins, because that football was a pleasure to watch
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Post by surreystokie on Oct 17, 2009 21:49:46 GMT
It's absurdly simplistic to say that 'the selection was right because we won'. We could have been absolute crap and won. Could (and did) win through the opposition's poor form (regardless of our formation) and their wasted scoring chances.
It was clearly the wrong team and, even half way through the first half could be seen that their full backs (Ilunga/Faubert) were there for the taking, with a decent winger to go at them.
I'm really worried that there will be some dressing room disharmony soon, with players who have really worked hard or improved, dropped for the likes of Rory, full backs and Beattie, although the latter was much better last week and today. And TP didn't have the excuse of LL having played in mid-week.
As for Tuncay, still the enigma variations, I'm afraid.
Fuller was terrific, with his marvellous skill and enthusaism making him unbeatable in this mood. Diao is getting there, with much improved fitness and Shawcross did well, with Stuart Pearce there to watch.
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Post by stanners on Oct 17, 2009 21:52:57 GMT
but we really do need more of that 1st 15 mins, because that football was a pleasure to watch Agreed. The first 15 minutes were out of this world. |
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Post by bunnyscfc on Oct 17, 2009 22:05:33 GMT
Monica, so Rory doesn't "work hard", himself?
Even in his worst outing, his work rate is beyond reproach. Isn't this the same dressing room that voted Rory player of the year last season?
Despite a below par performance at Everton, who was it in the 93rd minute who put the hard yards in to stop us losing 2-1?
As for the full backs - Wilko isn't a sulker and Huth has impressed, despite being a centre half. I'd still have Higgy over Collins though.
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Post by BiddulphStokie on Oct 17, 2009 22:10:18 GMT
not hard, yes, we won
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