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Post by winsfordpotter on Oct 9, 2009 16:24:12 GMT
Sorry but it just aint right. Its called the English prem not the British. Its bad enough that we have 2 taff teams in the English championship trying to get in the prem.
Scotland arnt interested in having a British football team in the olympics but they want to come down and join our league.
You wont get Porto joining La Liga. Or Ajax entering the French leagues. Sorry but it just ant right.
WP
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Oct 9, 2009 16:27:25 GMT
I agree with your point about the Olympics. A bit cheeky of Scotland to veto a GB team (on a one off basis) for the 2012 Olympics. No way should they then have two teams in the English Premier League.
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Post by stokiekey on Oct 9, 2009 16:27:26 GMT
To be honest, i wouldnt mind if they come into English football, but they'll have to work their way up from the very bottom of the leagues. If they go straight into the top tier that'll be unfair to the clubs that have worked so hard to get where they are now, for example us and Wigan.
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Post by luke45 on Oct 9, 2009 16:28:19 GMT
I'm pretty confident it'll never happen anyway, and if Rangers did join the Premiership, at the moment, I think they'd have a relegation battle on their hands.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Oct 9, 2009 16:33:09 GMT
I sturggle to see how this would actually happen.
Surely any move would require a vote by the Premier League and who is going to vote to bring them in (turkeys voting for Xmas and all that)?
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Post by hanibal7 on Oct 9, 2009 16:37:49 GMT
Just told my thai gf and she said
DO YOU THINK ITS ABOUT MONEY
PMSL
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Post by MUZZPERTH on Oct 9, 2009 16:52:17 GMT
PLEASE TAKE THEM.
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Post by myleftboot on Oct 9, 2009 16:52:54 GMT
Never happen but alternatively it won't go away either.
The issue would would have to be put to a vote by league members and can you see the top four putting their positions under threat.
Perhaps to prove just how good scottish football is they should introduce an Anglo - Scottish cup and see what happens.
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Post by march4 on Oct 9, 2009 16:57:55 GMT
Rangers and Celtic for immediate relegation. They will be no more successful than Cardiff and Swansea. In addition the Scottish League will then shrink to the same size as the Welsh League.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 9, 2009 17:09:49 GMT
You'd like to think it would never happen but I have the feeling that any set up of a Premier League 2 would be done with accomodating this proposal in mind.
The bigotry and violence their 'wonderful' fans would bring, would be a spectacle worth watching though.
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Post by RICH68 on Oct 9, 2009 17:15:06 GMT
They will be no more successful than Cardiff and Swansea. In addition the Scottish League will then shrink to the same size as the Welsh League. Good point |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 9, 2009 17:20:00 GMT
Celtic and Rangers with Premier League would become massive imo. They shouldn't be allowed in and with it we should fook the Welsh off as well.
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Post by maine on Oct 9, 2009 18:27:23 GMT
How would they qualify for European competition? Doubt they'd make it on merit. Can't see them giving up on that cash cow.If Swansea couldn't represent Wales, (can't bear to say Car----) there's no way they should still be allowed to represent Scotland.
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Post by visunitafortior on Oct 9, 2009 19:27:28 GMT
It will mean more money for all parties so it will eventually happend. I don't want it to happen, a) it is an English league, and b) Whenever those backward fucktards come to England they trash the place.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2009 19:32:04 GMT
March4 I would have to disagree,Rangers are pretty much the scottish national team, and Celtic are a world wide Irish catholic brand.They both have the support and they have won honours at a European level,they are just lacking competition and the TV money we generate.They certainly cant be compared to Barrdiff or the Swans.
Personally I think while we are arguing about this the Top six English clubs are probably trying to set up a European super league
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Post by pejic on Oct 9, 2009 19:36:58 GMT
No to Celtic and Rangers
Yes to Stenhousemuir.
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Post by stokeytot on Oct 9, 2009 19:42:26 GMT
No to Celtic and Rangers Yes to Stenhousemuir. ;D |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2009 19:50:06 GMT
if celtic and rangers came down i would be disgusted
having spent a lot of time following scottish footy recently and getting up there to see dundee utd at celtic park, i can honestly say you would see two teams with even more tourists/gloryhunters there than liverpool/man utd
both clubs and their fans are totally deluded and lost in their own world, they think they are the biggest clubs in britain.
the move would price out proper football clubs like stoke, both rangers and celtic are global brands amongst those of a right wing pursuasion & a mixture of people who pretend to be irish/support the ira respectively
rangers and celtic are less football clubs, more loosely defined political movements attracting dick heads on both sides.
both clubs have good local supporters behind them, but they will be in the minority if both come to the prem
english clubs will not benefit from it, we are already the best league in the world, what the fuck could these two teams add? after a couple of years the anglo-scottish banter will be boring, and we'd just have another couple of fucking deluded big clubs pricing us out of the market for players,
do we need another couple of newcastle utd type clubs in the prem?
fuck the old firm
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Post by werrington on Oct 9, 2009 19:58:04 GMT
Make no mistake...If the Old Firm came south; they would struggle st first..BUT..given the TV money etc they would within 4-5 years be right up there challenging the best we have...TWO MASSIVE CLUBS
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Post by redrob on Oct 9, 2009 19:58:13 GMT
You have to ask what would either of them add to the prem? In terms of quality their consistant failure to progress in the champs league belies a very avarage couple of teams who would probably sit in mid table, unless of course by playing in England they are able to generate enough money to buy their way up the table. Worse if they do join what does that men for promotion from the cc you can bet there will be no talk of expanding the prem to 22 or 24 teams. This will be bad for both the prem and scot prem in the long term.
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Post by MUZZPERTH on Oct 9, 2009 20:02:14 GMT
TAKE THEM!!!
In all honesty, they'll not get into the EPL but will likely form a euro league with massive clubs from other crap footballing leagues eg.. Ajax,Porto,Lyon,Galatasary......
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Post by Akinbadbuy on Oct 9, 2009 20:31:13 GMT
It's not about whether its morally right or wrong.
Do you really think the fatcats who boss the Premier League give two hoots about whats morally right??
The facts are plain and simple -: Celtic and Rangers are a global attraction even playing in the SPL. The support and money they generate is massive. In fact there is only Man Utd who have more supporters clubs worldwide than Celtic or Rangers out of any club in the world. They are bigger than Liverpool, Chelsea and Arsenal that is fact.
Yes the religious aspect is a bad thing but it makes them what they are and it is this that makes them so big.
If they have to start at the bottom and work their way up then so be it. I dont think that would put either of them off.
Lets be clear about one thing though. There are plenty of very average sides in the Premier League. Celtic and Rangers would easily compete and with the support and financial gain they would receive I could easily see one of them winning it within 3-5 years.
Not everyone's cup of tea and yeah I can see why but in today's world it's money that talks not morals!
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Post by bash62 on Oct 9, 2009 21:54:27 GMT
if the bomb throwers and rangers come in our league thats me done with football its all about money and not football .
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Post by Olgrligm on Oct 9, 2009 22:08:13 GMT
Well the FA sandwiched the MK Dons into the Football League in place of another Football League club. The fact is, however, that if they want to play at this level they start at the very bottom of the pyramid like AFC Wimbledon did.
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Post by dwr17477 on Oct 9, 2009 22:29:52 GMT
I don't want them but can see it happening. My question is where would they start??? As MysticalDescent says, surely it would have to be at the bottom of the pyramid. They wouldn't be winning much for a few years then then would they?
I think the one thing we need to be fearful of is a European/World League, as suggested by some so called expert on 5 Live the other day. That would be the end of my interest in football as you can bet your bottom dollar it would be a closed shop. Where would that leave Stoke City and any aspiration to see top class football at the Brit???
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Post by MooG on Oct 9, 2009 22:46:32 GMT
It would be interesting to see how crowds held up in an Atlantic League or similar set up. All these teams have a fan base for whom going 3 years without winning the title is a crisis, and there is only going to be one title up for grabs each year. Would playing bigger teams compensate for being bottom of the league instead of top?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2009 23:28:53 GMT
It's not about whether its morally right or wrong. Do you really think the fatcats who boss the Premier League give two hoots about whats morally right?? The facts are plain and simple -: Celtic and Rangers are a global attraction even playing in the SPL. The support and money they generate is massive. In fact there is only Man Utd who have more supporters clubs worldwide than Celtic or Rangers out of any club in the world. They are bigger than Liverpool, Chelsea and Arsenal that is fact. Yes the religious aspect is a bad thing but it makes them what they are and it is this that makes them so big. If they have to start at the bottom and work their way up then so be it. I dont think that would put either of them off. Lets be clear about one thing though. There are plenty of very average sides in the Premier League. Celtic and Rangers would easily compete and with the support and financial gain they would receive I could easily see one of them winning it within 3-5 years. Not everyone's cup of tea and yeah I can see why but in today's world it's money that talks not morals! I don't think anyone was arguing that it couldn't ever happen mate, just that the majority of us would be utterly disgsted if it did. |
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Post by burberrybassist on Oct 10, 2009 0:47:13 GMT
I'd quite enjoy an away day up Scotland. Just out of interest, when the Welsh teams joined the English leagues, what league did they start off in?
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Post by Ryan_Shawjosh on Oct 10, 2009 1:05:40 GMT
My opinion is we make a Britain olympic team anyway and exclude the shot put throwing gingermen and if they want to make a scottish team then so be it but they have to have their own team in every other event or not take part in the olympics. Obviously that can not happen so let's just not have any Scottish teams in the prem and let's say to Cardiff, Swansea etc stick to our rules or be gone. I can honestly say I was furious when Cardiff had a player suspended in the FA cup for the game against Portsmouth (off the top of my head in these early hours I'm gonna go for Darren Purse) and the Welsh FA stepped in and got the ban lifted. Either go by English rules or don't be in our league. I don't personally want other teams in the English leagues but if it "has" to happen then let's go by earlier suggestions and throw them in the leagues that don't even get heared of because they are so low down.
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Post by scfcrob on Oct 10, 2009 8:52:56 GMT
Well the FA sandwiched the MK Dons into the Football League in place of another Football League club. The fact is, however, that if they want to play at this level they start at the very bottom of the pyramid like AFC Wimbledon did. Agree FC United are another example of having to start at the bottom. Get Rangers and Celtic to have a ground in England, then work their way up the leagues, at least giving other lower league clubs a share of the spoils as they pass through the leagues. FC Rangers of Corby & FC Celtic of Corby (Little Scotland) anyone?  |
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