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Post by GRUMPY 1 on Sept 20, 2009 13:54:05 GMT
"you only get to europe by winning games!! " we need to learn to walk before we learn to run nowt like getting above yersen is there?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 20, 2009 13:56:03 GMT
I sat with the Bolton gliterati yesterday and they were very complimentary about us. As you would imagine it was our organisation and compactness that impressed them the most. They thought that our front 2 looked dangerous throughout. They would swap our players, manager and support in the blink of an eye. For my part, I felt they were being a little bit harsh on their players, 3 or 4 of whom would improve our squad. Its sometimes useful to listen to the opinions of sensible people from other clubs. They have no 'agenda' and tell it as it is. The only agenda I have is that I'm gutted/furious we contrived to draw the game.
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Post by march4 on Sept 20, 2009 13:58:39 GMT
I sat with the Bolton gliterati yesterday and they were very complimentary about us. As you would imagine it was our organisation and compactness that impressed them the most. They thought that our front 2 looked dangerous throughout. They would swap our players, manager and support in the blink of an eye. For my part, I felt they were being a little bit harsh on their players, 3 or 4 of whom would improve our squad. Its sometimes useful to listen to the opinions of sensible people from other clubs. They have no 'agenda' and tell it as it is. The only agenda I have is that I'm gutted/furious we contrived to draw the game. I wasn't pointing the finger at you Bayern. We all see reason to critcise things that happen at Stoke, but there are times when we also offer support. Those with the aganda do nothing but criticise whatever the circumstances.
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Post by bunnyscfc on Sept 20, 2009 14:15:15 GMT
Paul Spencer is right. Full back disribution is massive in this league. Look ath the best teams - their full backs are often their best passers and attackers - Cole, Evra, Bosingwa, Assou_Ekotu, Johnson.
But until we play with a different mindset, and new players possibly - then we have to play Higgy at left back. Ok it was Chelsea, but Collins' positional play and lack of any sort of pace was frightening. Higgy might just hoof it, but at present we need to keep clean sheets and must have defenders who can defend.
I'd love us to have a better standard of full back, but that's a while in coming.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 20, 2009 14:23:48 GMT
The only agenda I have is that I'm gutted/furious we contrived to draw the game. I wasn't pointing the finger at you Bayern. We all see reason to critcise things that happen at Stoke, but there are times when we also offer support. Those with the aganda do nothing but criticise whatever the circumstances. Just in case! I say it as I see it.
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Post by slangking on Sept 20, 2009 14:57:19 GMT
Don't apologise, you were right, this bayernoatcake is a world class crybaby. The only agenda I have is that I'm gutted/furious we contrived to draw the game. I wasn't pointing the finger at you Bayern. We all see reason to critcise things that happen at Stoke, but there are times when we also offer support. Those with the aganda do nothing but criticise whatever the circumstances.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 20, 2009 15:02:03 GMT
Ahh slangking the man who made such a tit of himself he changed his name twice! ;D
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Post by slangking on Sept 20, 2009 15:03:18 GMT
Go cry in a corner crybaby.
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Post by slangking on Sept 20, 2009 15:04:21 GMT
quote] The only agenda I have is that I'm gutted/furious we contrived to draw the game. [/quote] Boohoo, mommy.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 20, 2009 15:05:20 GMT
;D Oh dear ligeia, go work on a comeback and then get back to me!
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Post by tony harrison on Sept 20, 2009 15:05:53 GMT
We have been the better team yes but the idea is to put the ball in the net more than the opposition puts the ball in your net. That is what wins games and gets the 3 points.
Remember WBA 1980/81 I think it was, we were the better side for the whole game but they won 3-0 and took the points. Most one sided game I have ever seen but again it comes down to scoring the goals required.
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Post by Cityfullergoals on Sept 20, 2009 15:06:01 GMT
What I liked about yesterday was that we managed to keep the ball for longer periods, and often strung together seven or eight passes. We actually looked like we were playing some half decent football, even though the end product is not always there.
I came away disappointed from Birmingham, but we never really created a clear cut chance in that game, but yesterday I felt we were the better side (despite them having possibly the better chance when Knight blazed over), and it hurts to see two points thrown away.
However on the positive side, the bench is now considerably stronger, and when we have the likes of BT, Tuncay and Lawrence straining to get on the park it makes for a promising season IMO.
We have to keep picking points up as and where we can, and at the current rate (average 1.3 points per game, having played two of the top four), we are on target to reach 50 points, which will undoubtedly make me a very happy man come the end of the campaign.
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Post by slangking on Sept 20, 2009 15:06:32 GMT
Err yeah 14,689, thats a lot of tears shed.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 20, 2009 15:09:13 GMT
;D Do You fancy a bum Ligeia? If You're going to stalk me, we might as well take things further!
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Post by slangking on Sept 20, 2009 15:11:12 GMT
Why don't you start your own message board where you could cry about all things Stoke all day fcuking long.
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Post by Pugsley on Sept 20, 2009 15:19:33 GMT
Why don't you start your own message board where you could cry about all things Stoke all day fcuking long. Yet another thread ruined by AGSF/Ligeia/Slangking resorting to slagging people off. The man who has no opinions on the game starts to turn things nasty once again. You're a grade one shithouse pal.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 20, 2009 15:20:03 GMT
;D Nah, that'd be no fun! Did You go the game yesterday? You never used to (if I remember rightly) when we were on the other board.
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Post by slangking on Sept 20, 2009 15:25:32 GMT
;D Nah, that'd be no fun! Did You go the game yesterday? You never used to (if I remember rightly) when we were on the other board. Yes, you see, you don't want to believe everything written on here, I know you live on here but there is a real world out there.
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Post by slangking on Sept 20, 2009 15:26:29 GMT
Why don't you start your own message board where you could cry about all things Stoke all day fcuking long. Yet another thread ruined by AGSF/Ligeia/Slangking resorting to slagging people off. The man who has no opinions on the game starts to turn things nasty once again. You're a grade one shithouse pal. You are a grade a Stoke hater, a good laughing stock mind.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Sept 20, 2009 15:28:20 GMT
I think Smudge has a very valid point about TP perhaps not realising the full potential of the squad HE has assembled. You generally get the feeling that we have the players to do better than we actually are (even though we're doing ok) and if we're honest we should be on 13 points instead of the 8 we have.
It is frustrating but we are very close to getting it right and it only needs a slight mentality shift, we had nearly everything right yesterday (culminating in Kitson's goal) and then we hit the panic button against a team who hadn't really offered much at all.
It's all about very fine margins but that could be the difference between a very good season and a season where we are still having to look over our shoulders.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 20, 2009 15:32:50 GMT
;D Nah, that'd be no fun! Did You go the game yesterday? You never used to (if I remember rightly) when we were on the other board. Yes, you see, you don't want to believe everything written on here, I know you live on here but there is a real world out there. Fook me I'm shocked! You went a game? What's the real world?
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Post by slangking on Sept 20, 2009 15:37:56 GMT
You must have me confused with Pugsley, he does go to games, well he used to when it was a fiver in anyway.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 20, 2009 15:40:49 GMT
The fiver games were usually good 'uns tbf. He made a good choice!
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Post by Pugsley on Sept 20, 2009 16:58:26 GMT
You must have me confused with Pugsley, he does go to games, well he used to when it was a fiver in anyway. Only in your tiny mind mate. Care to make a comment on the game or the original point on this thread? No, thought not.
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Post by klute72 on Sept 20, 2009 19:53:29 GMT
Great post....sums up my feelings perfectly......its difficult to critisise TP, but he doies frustrate the life out of you. I do feel Higgy has been dealt a cruel blow, and would prefer him to Collins. I do feel Tuncay has to be used more in ganes like yesterday, where we are obviously on top, and a re crying out for a touch of class to finish teams off. Pulis's biggest fault IMHO is he doesnt push enough for a secong goal after we go in front and the mentality of th players suggest they dont either. We spend so much time in many of our matches hangin on to 1 goal leads. But as I say, its difficult to critisise.
2-1 to Stoke next week...........I thin k we can do it
GOOAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN STOKE !!!
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Post by Olgrligm on Sept 20, 2009 19:58:20 GMT
We have been the better team yes but the idea is to put the ball in the net more than the opposition puts the ball in your net. That is what wins games and gets the 3 points. Remember WBA 1980/81 I think it was, we were the better side for the whole game but they won 3-0 and took the points. Most one sided game I have ever seen but again it comes down to scoring the goals required. Which was pretty much what I was saying when everyone was complaining about games where we picked up points but didn't have much possession.
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Post by kingdeano on Sept 20, 2009 20:54:24 GMT
cracking original post smuge that, it really is frustrating, i dont think pulis actually realises the potential of this team, birmingham were really shocking and if we went at them we could have won quite easily, again yesterday, the game was won, we were clearly in control, but then his old defensive mode kicked in, did burnley, take off their best player yesterday when they were a goal up? no, they got the 3rd and killed it, why we brought pugh on when weve got a proven international on the bench is beyond me, his mindset needs to change, let this team go on and finish teams off, we are capable now!!
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Post by cousindupree on Sept 21, 2009 8:19:48 GMT
Its frustrating on one hand to not win at Brum and Bolton when we were clearly the better side in both games. But also its encouraging to come to the conclusion that we are ahead of maybe 6 rivals (burnley, Brum, Bolton, Hull, Wolves & P'mouth) in terms of quality of the squad. Will TP realise the potential of the team...he probably does already but will he trust artist over artisan especially away from home or against the biguns?...no sign of that just yet.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Sept 21, 2009 8:28:00 GMT
cracking original post smuge that, it really is frustrating, i dont think pulis actually realises the potential of this team, birmingham were really shocking and if we went at them we could have won quite easily, again yesterday, the game was won, we were clearly in control, but then his old defensive mode kicked in, did burnley, take off their best player yesterday when they were a goal up? no, they got the 3rd and killed it, why we brought pugh on when weve got a proven international on the bench is beyond me, his mindset needs to change, let this team go on and finish teams off, we are capable now!! Deano - I can't get it into my head why you and so many others seem to think bringing on Pugh was a bad move. We didn't lose anything by bringing on Pugh - he did improve our midfield. We did weaken the team though by taking off Kitson and leaving Fuller on (for a while) as a lone striker - a role for which he is unsuited when he is on form - and he isn't on form at the moment. When Pugh was brought on we should either have taken Fuller off or, if Kitson was too knackered to continue, we should have brought Beattie on for Kitson and at the same time brought Pugh on for Fuller. That would have staill added Pugh to the midfield (which worked) and left Beattie as the lone striker which would have given Bolton more to think about than a lonely Fuller did. AND we should have carried on with our normal game of bringing a centre back up for corners - the sight of Rory taking short throws and Liam taking short corners must have cheered Bolton up no end. At the end of the day though, the REAL, reason we dropped two points was a damned stupid act by Collins for which he should hang his head in shame
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Post by kingdeano on Sept 21, 2009 14:00:01 GMT
cracking original post smuge that, it really is frustrating, i dont think pulis actually realises the potential of this team, birmingham were really shocking and if we went at them we could have won quite easily, again yesterday, the game was won, we were clearly in control, but then his old defensive mode kicked in, did burnley, take off their best player yesterday when they were a goal up? no, they got the 3rd and killed it, why we brought pugh on when weve got a proven international on the bench is beyond me, his mindset needs to change, let this team go on and finish teams off, we are capable now!! Deano - I can't get it into my head why you and so many others seem to think bringing on Pugh was a bad move. We didn't lose anything by bringing on Pugh - he did improve our midfield. We did weaken the team though by taking off Kitson and leaving Fuller on (for a while) as a lone striker - a role for which he is unsuited when he is on form - and he isn't on form at the moment. When Pugh was brought on we should either have taken Fuller off or, if Kitson was too knackered to continue, we should have brought Beattie on for Kitson and at the same time brought Pugh on for Fuller. That would have staill added Pugh to the midfield (which worked) and left Beattie as the lone striker which would have given Bolton more to think about than a lonely Fuller did. AND we should have carried on with our normal game of bringing a centre back up for corners - the sight of Rory taking short throws and Liam taking short corners must have cheered Bolton up no end. At the end of the day though, the REAL, reason we dropped two points was a damned stupid act by Collins for which he should hang his head in shame what cant you get in your head?? is it really myself and many others are wrong or is it people like you that really cant see the bigger picture? at 1 nil we were cruising through the match, why take the best player on the pitch off and bring on a midfielder and invite pressure on? if its true kitson took a knock why not bring like for like and bring beattie on? or even tuncay, but for god sake dont take off a striker for a midfielder and just sit and hope we see it out, a hopeful punt which brought about the goal can always happen but if your sitting their waiting for it then it will happen, thats birmingham away, chelsea at home and now bolton where we should easily have had more points than we ended up with, saturday was possibly one of the most one sided games ive seen stoke be involved in, totally in control yet going defence minded again cost us
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