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Post by kevkj on Sept 15, 2009 7:16:52 GMT
Im very worried about tunjay fitting in with us and think he could be this seasons flop.
He is probably the most gifted player in our squad but i cant for the life of me see us getting him on the ball in correct areas.
we so used to playing one up front witha big man ten yards behind him and hoof.
Our fullbacks,so importatnt in the premiership cannot build play and our midfield pretty much the same.
For me i would play him at the head of the diamond with Lawrence and Etherington wide to get the best out of him with two forwards further ahead.
Play him up front and he will die of service in our team.
I hope im wrong but Mr Pulis could make this a guy a expensive flop.
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Post by scfcrmagic on Sept 15, 2009 7:19:45 GMT
I hope you're wrong 'cos I think he's mint.. ;D
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Sept 15, 2009 7:21:47 GMT
He looked great in his cameo against Sunderland and he looked like a fish out of water in his cameo against Chelsea. So it is too early to tell what will happen - unless of course you are a confirmed glass half empty person! ;D
What he will need is either an unselfish strike partner like Kitson or Beattie alongside him - or a midfield berth in a four man midfield - neither of which he got on Saturday.
PS - he is called Tuncay by the way.
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Post by prem4stoke on Sept 15, 2009 7:24:09 GMT
You just can't look at that second half against Chelsea to see his potential for us. Look at the few mins against Sunderland for what he can do, for me he will be better suited when we are playing teams of similar quality and I am sure he is not a sub to bring on. We need to start with Tuncay, I think we will then see a better player.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2009 7:27:38 GMT
I wouldn't worry about it Kev.
If you're concerned about it being Kitson Part 2 then I wouldn't let it concern you. 2 completely different types of players.
It was a mistake by Tone bringing him on, on Saturday and playing him where he did in that system but that is another matter (and hindsight is a wonderful thing!!).
Tuncay has bags and bags of quality, he will be a great addition for us.
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Post by bunnyscfc on Sept 15, 2009 7:29:14 GMT
anyone else slightly worried that we now have a large squad and have to accomodate artists over artisans.
Not a dig at TP, but I have visions of changing formations, personnewl and actually lsoing some of the qualities that saw us right last season.
If Tuncay plays for us, I'd hope it was left midfield with the other 3 being made up of 3 from Delap, Whelan, Abdoulaye and Lenny.
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Post by albanianstokie on Sept 15, 2009 7:30:51 GMT
He'll do fine, he is genuine top drawer talent, if we can't find a way to make him effective that will be a big black mark against TP. But despite, my often stated previous reservations, it really seems that TP knows what he's doing, so I trust him with this.
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Post by scfcrmagic on Sept 15, 2009 7:43:44 GMT
You just can't look at that second half against Chelsea to see his potential for us. Look at the few mins against Sunderland for what he can do, for me he will be better suited when we are playing teams of similar quality and I am sure he is not a sub to bring on. We need to start with Tuncay, I think we will then see a better player. totally agree with you mate..wise words.  |
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Post by highlanestokie on Sept 15, 2009 8:21:59 GMT
anyone who came on in the second half against chelsea would not have made any impact at all, the game was already panned out. i honestly think tuncay with fuller will rip teams like bolton apart so bring on saturday.
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Post by burberrybassist on Sept 15, 2009 8:26:52 GMT
Trying to fit Tuncay into our squad is one of the best problems Stoke have faced since we got promoted!
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Post by chinesedave on Sept 15, 2009 8:32:44 GMT
I say give him his first start against Bolton alongside Kitson.
Fuller on the bench is a nice luxury should we need him.
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Post by The Berlin Wall on Sept 15, 2009 8:49:37 GMT
The problem is TP is very negative in the middle of the park!
So he won't play him behind the front 2 where Tuncay really excels!
Also TP will not drop Fuller for Tuncay & will not play Fuller & Tuncay together!
To be honest if TP will only play him as a STR I think he would score & assist more goals than Fuller would!
Fuller has been fantastic for City but as we are a progressing side I think he would be better on the bench now!
I can't see him scoring as many goals as he did last season 2 be honest he gives 100 % when he plays but does tend 2 hog the ball a lot & roll on the floor!
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Post by thepremierbanksy on Sept 15, 2009 8:58:46 GMT
He'll be fine playing up front alongside a target man, did it with marlon king last season at our place and was very dangerous.
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Post by jbstokie on Sept 15, 2009 9:05:39 GMT
Come on KevKC, the J isn't even close to the C
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Post by wardrobe monster on Sept 15, 2009 9:13:34 GMT
I can't see Fuller and Tuncay working together from the start of the game. It will be one or the other in my opinion, with Kitson, Beattie or Mama playing alongside one of them. They are too similar, in that they show flashes of brilliance and then drfit out of the game for a while. (Its the nature of their game, not a criticism)
TP may bring the other on after an hour or so to play together though.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 15, 2009 9:28:31 GMT
We simply don't have enough quality in our midfield and from our full backs to 'play' the ball from back to front up to Tuncay in the hole. Our distribution and ability to retain possession is absolutely woeful.
Our defenders need the option to be able to play the long ball up to a target man, this was clearly demonstrated when we replaced Tuncay with Kitson on Saturday, and in having that option removed from us we found ourselves in all sorts of trouble.
Playing with a target man sitting in the hole has served us extremely well and we need to be very careful before believing that we can now put Tuncay there and everything will be hunky dory.
Tuncay is not an out and out goal scorer, he is principally a link man between the midfield and the strike force.
We created FAR LESS goal scoring opportunities than any other team in the Prem last season. We provide our strikers with relatively very few chances and we need them to take them when they come along, so it HAS to be Fuller or Beattie in that position for me.
Finally Tuncay isn't a left wing either.
He is without doubt an incredible talent and he is probably one of my favourite players currently playing in the Premiership, but like the original poster said, that alone isn't going to blind me to the fact that it isn't going to be a walk in the park in terms of fitting him into our starting XI.
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Post by bunnyscfc on Sept 15, 2009 10:33:58 GMT
Downing played quite narrow for Boro last year with Tuncay doing a lot of his best work on the left.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Sept 15, 2009 10:37:08 GMT
I thought I remembered that Bunny - cheers for confirming it. I'd use him on the left - at least initially. I certainly wouldn't pair him with Fuller as my strike force, I don't think that will ever work.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 15, 2009 10:37:58 GMT
Downing played quite narrow for Boro last year with Tuncay doing a lot of his best work on the left. I can't see Tuncay's best position for us (with our current players) being anything but on the left of midifeld with the license to cut in (quite regularly) bunny. |
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Post by glennwhelan6 on Sept 15, 2009 11:17:58 GMT
Tunjay?
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Post by alex on Sept 15, 2009 11:21:40 GMT
not worried at all
quality player, when Boro played us last season at the Brit I thought he was immense
delighted that he is playing for Stoke and have no doubts at all that he will fit in well
he didn't play well on Saturday but he was playing in the most negative team I've seen at Stoke in the premiership, if we play 442 then he will fit in a lot better
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 15, 2009 12:31:21 GMT
I love some attempts of Stokies trying to spell names! Brilliant! ;D
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Post by serpico on Sept 15, 2009 12:40:18 GMT
When he signed i thought he'd be excellent competition for the left wing spot, and with Etherington being out of form would act as the perfect kick up the back side for him, but i'm not so sure TP thinks the same, i know he's only played two games both as subs, but both times he's been bought on to play up front, and imo he's certainly not going to be able to play in the "striker hole" in a TP side, he's not commanding enough in the air.
I hope TP puts him on the left for the next run of 4-5 games .
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Post by ipswichpotter on Sept 15, 2009 12:47:04 GMT
could we play
Tuncay Lawrence Delap/Whelan Etherington
...with Tuncay tucking in occasionally and lawrence going out wide. Lawrence is also good at supplying the strikers like he did with fuller against villa last season from a central position.
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Post by jezzascfc on Sept 15, 2009 13:15:42 GMT
I think TP needs to look at how Capello is now using Gerrard from the left - he covers on the left when not in possession, but drifts in to become more of an attacking midfielder behind the front men when England have the ball. This could work for Tuncay with us.
Alternatively, we could play El Tel's old Xmas tree 4-3-2-1, with Tuncay and Fuller behind a big target man. The three behind could be marshalled by Abdy, with two wide of him. This does mean a narrow formation, which would be okay at home, but could get found out on some of the wider pitches in the league.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 15, 2009 13:22:19 GMT
I think TP needs to look at how Capello is now using Gerrard from the left - he covers on the left when not in possession, but drifts in to become more of an attacking midfielder behind the front men when England have the ball. This could work for Tuncay with us. Alternatively, we could play El Tel's old Xmas tree 4-3-2-1, with Tuncay and Fuller behind a big target man. The three behind could be marshalled by Abdy, with two wide of him. This does mean a narrow formation, which would be okay at home, but could get found out on some of the wider pitches in the league. Completely agree with all of that Jezza, I really can't see Tuncay as one of the 2 in a 4-4-2 formation working for us at all. |
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Post by fromafar07 on Sept 15, 2009 13:58:40 GMT
Im sure after his stint against Chelsea he is just worried that he was brought i n as a defender
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Sept 15, 2009 14:01:21 GMT
His class will shine through once he settles in.
I don't see him starting up front that much for us but I would have thought Ethers' arse might be twitching a bit.
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Post by jen on Sept 15, 2009 14:01:31 GMT
Im sure after his stint against Chelsea he is just worried that he was brought i n as a defender And how would you describe his role against Sunderland? Hardly defensive, I would say.  |
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Sept 15, 2009 14:03:13 GMT
Im sure after his stint against Chelsea he is just worried that he was brought i n as a defender And how would you describe his role against Sunderland? Hardly defensive, I would say. Correct jen, he was asked to play in the whole again and he had a little bit of a mare as was bullied out of the battle by Chelsea's undoubted strength in that area. His position he was asked to play vs the Mackems wasn't that much different. |
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