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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2009 9:30:35 GMT
Personally would like to see the one spinner at Lords,that being Swann,and England bringing in Harmison or Onions although its a tough decision on which one to go for.
Having seen the Aussies bat it made our top order look very weak,especially Alistair Cook,but given who we have in the wings,he will keep his place.
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Post by y_oh_y_delilah on Jul 13, 2009 10:13:15 GMT
It's doubtful that the selectors will make many, if any, changes. Despite his heroics, can't see Monty retaining his place which as you say will probably go to Graham Onions.
As we haven't beaten the Aussies at Lords since 1934 and history really isn't likely to be challenged this time around maybe a safety first policy with an extra batsman (Bell?) might be the way to go.
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Post by edouardlapaglie on Jul 13, 2009 13:01:47 GMT
Harmison is in and Flintoff is doubtful
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Post by vestanpance on Jul 14, 2009 9:24:11 GMT
Harmison for Panesar.
That'll be it, barring injuries.
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Post by Pughy86 on Jul 14, 2009 21:27:35 GMT
agree vestan, i said that harmzey should replace panesar as long as freddie is sound that is. hopefully he ill and we will have a good couple of team bowlers in the team.
is lee back for the aussies for this test?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 15, 2009 0:08:15 GMT
I think they'll pick Onions for Monty.
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Post by Stay up again for - hoodyjr on Jul 15, 2009 0:57:04 GMT
have they decided on flintoff been fit yet ?
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Post by carverdoone on Jul 15, 2009 7:01:28 GMT
We have been very lucky to get a second chance - let's hope we make the most of it.
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Post by bassmaster on Jul 15, 2009 7:11:24 GMT
Anyone who thinks Swann is a better test match spinning option over Monty needs their head looking at.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2009 8:27:00 GMT
I would have picked Monty over Swann. I don't think either are much kop in the bowling stakes (especially at Lords) and after Monty's batting performance I would keep him in. I'd drop Broad for Harmison - And hope the right one turns up. If Freddie is out I would replace him with Onions. I would drop the useless Cooke and replace him with however you want, really. I cannot believe there isn't a better opening bat somewhere in the country (may as well give someone un-tried a go ... if there is no one else ... Cooke is/was useless). And that would be that. As said above, we never win at Lords ... The Aussies love the place ... So another draw would be the requirement. Though I wouldn't let the team know that, and I would put a couple under a bit of pressure for their places (Bopara, Peterson) and tell Stauss that a better performance as captain is required. Let's hope that we put up more of a fight over the first 4 days than we did in Wales ... Which shouldn't be too hard, should it. I had me old-man on the phone for an hour and a half last night ... If it was up to him, he'd drop the lot of 'em!  ah |
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Post by wembley4372 on Jul 15, 2009 8:42:16 GMT
Why are we playing at Lords?
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Post by Olgrligm on Jul 15, 2009 9:00:43 GMT
Cook's worth his place. He does score runs against good teams, look at his debut against India. He'll do fine, just needs to learn to cope with the pressure of an Ashes series.
No idea who we'll bring in for Flintoff if he doesn't make it. Harmison for Panesar looks like being the only change and, as has been said before, we just have to hope that fast, aggressive Harmison turns up, not average-paced scattergun Harmison.
Not got a good feeling at all. It might be an idea to set up some Fire Engines outside the ground and have them fire their hoses from outside over the roof, giving the umpires the impression of heavy rain.
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Post by swanster on Jul 15, 2009 9:01:00 GMT
Anyone who thinks Swann is a better test match spinning option over Monty needs their head looking at. Can't believe this post - Monty has developed no variation since he got into the team and has probably gone backwards. At least Swann is an improvement with the bat and in the field. And to the other poster who wanted to keep Monty in for his batting performance - have you forgotten Swann got 70 odd runs at Cardiff and was our second top scorer? I think Cook will keep his place given the lack of options - opening is a very specialist role and I can't think of anyone better, apart from Trescothick and there's no chance of him being picked. As bad as Cook has been performing lately I dread the thought of Bell coming in as his replacement. Onions or Sidebottom (or even Hoggard) should come in for Monty. Harmy still hasn't done enough to justify a recall IMO, and we need a line and length bowler judging by our performance last week. |
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Post by Olgrligm on Jul 15, 2009 9:08:40 GMT
What's happened to Sidebottom? I was under the impression he'd picked up an injury?
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Post by monkeycat on Jul 15, 2009 9:20:53 GMT
Flintoff press conference at 11am possibly to announce retirement from test cricket
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Post by carverdoone on Jul 15, 2009 9:24:47 GMT
Flintoff press conference at 11am possibly to announce retirement from test cricket sounds very ominous. |
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Post by monkeycat on Jul 15, 2009 9:36:03 GMT
Put back to 12.30 now
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Post by monkeycat on Jul 15, 2009 10:01:48 GMT
Flintoff has confirmed he will retire from Test cricket after this Ashes series
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Post by thepremierbanksy on Jul 15, 2009 10:20:35 GMT
Harmison's attraction is him getting wickets, but we also lack someone to bowl consistent line and length and put the aussies under pressure by bowling fairly economical. I think we need a real injection into our bowling attack and I'd personally do that by bringing in both onions and harmy for panesar and then either broad or flintoff depending on fred's fitness.
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Post by Olgrligm on Jul 15, 2009 10:27:21 GMT
Flintoff has gone, meaning that after this summer, we will be able to enjoy a 100% mediocre bowling attack, as opposed to the current 80% mediocre bowling attack.
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Post by monkeycat on Jul 15, 2009 10:57:14 GMT
Bell has been released from the squad
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Post by stan on Jul 15, 2009 11:17:36 GMT
Flintoff has gone, meaning that after this summer, we will be able to enjoy a 100% mediocre bowling attack, as opposed to the current 80% mediocre bowling attack. In the last three years, we've bowled much better -and been more successful- when Flintoff hasn't played. The other bowlers tend to step out of his shadow and take on more responsibility (plus there's the very plausible argument that they resent his pisshead antics). It's hard not to be a big "Freddie" fan, and I have been, but since 2005/6, he's performed moderately for England at best. As good as he was in 2004/5, we won't miss him with bat or ball in the present. Cheers for 2005, though, Fred! |
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Post by y_oh_y_delilah on Jul 15, 2009 12:19:45 GMT
Flintoff has gone, meaning that after this summer, we will be able to enjoy a 100% mediocre bowling attack, as opposed to the current 80% mediocre bowling attack. In the last three years, we've bowled much better -and been more successful- when Flintoff hasn't played. The other bowlers tend to step out of his shadow and take on more responsibility (plus there's the very plausible argument that they resent his pisshead antics). It's hard not to be a big "Freddie" fan, and I have been, but since 2005/6, he's performed moderately for England at best. As good as he was in 2004/5, we won't miss him with bat or ball in the present. Cheers for 2005, though, Fred! Form is temporary stan, class is permanent. |
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Post by stan on Jul 15, 2009 12:32:45 GMT
I can't think of a time in the past two years when the big man has played exceptionally well. I don't want to denounce him; he's tried his heart out for England time-and-again* and has put in lion-hearted performances. I'd like to celebrate his career. In 2005, he was probably the best cricketer in the world. Other than in his very brief pomp, he was never a *great* cricketer, though. I'm afraid it would never have been the case that he'd recapture his glorious summer of 2005. Injuries if nothing else have put paid to that. He doesn't get many wickets these days (he never really has, in honesty) and he doesn't score many runs. Jimmy Anderson *might* run through the Aussies somewhere along the line; Freddie won't. Let's just hope he helps us regain The Ashes and goes out on a high.  *Although he's occasionally let himself down and not been fit enough to play |
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Post by fortressbritannia on Jul 15, 2009 12:52:34 GMT
mt 11 for tomorrow
strauss
cook
bopara
KP
colly
prior
fredie
swann
harmison
oinions
anderson
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2009 13:28:04 GMT
When will a decision be made on Freddie?
When will we know the teams?
I need to know for my fantasy ashes team!!
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Post by SuperRickyFuller on Jul 15, 2009 13:55:07 GMT
Me and you leading at the top I see Tom. Only 16 points ahead of me.. bastard..  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2009 14:28:28 GMT
Almost correct Jay.
It is in fact me leading at the top, with everyone else being part of the chasing pack.
Winning is everything, second place is nowhere.
Kind regards
WD
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Post by SuperRickyFuller on Jul 15, 2009 14:41:49 GMT
Almost correct Jay. It is in fact me leading at the top, with everyone else being part of the chasing pack. Winning is everything, second place is nowhere. Kind regards WD Re: the message above Fuck off Wankest regards SRF |
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Post by edouardlapaglie on Jul 15, 2009 15:09:48 GMT
I can't think of a time in the past two years when the big man has played exceptionally well I'm struggling to think of a time in the past two years where he's actually played. As for tomorrow, if we go in with one spinner, it will be Swann, but not because he can bowl. In the first test he was abismal, in fact, worse than that, and Panesar looked innocuous, however, he didn't serve up full tosses and at least he had the look of someone who could make something/anything happen sometime/any time. So essentially i'm saying Swann should be dropped after that terrible bowling display, as i actually think he was the worst of our 'attack' at Cardiff, but he wont miss out, as he scored runs, i've already said that haven't i? Oh aye  |
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