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Post by tazi on Sept 2, 2009 19:25:39 GMT
It aint always hoof-ball as many many people make it out to be because we can mix it up too and when we do then we play some decent on the ground football with plenty of pace and power. Now to be able to do that in relation to mixing it up then it really is an artform and should be admired and not just simply slagged of at every opportunity. Keep it as it is because not only is it damned well effective but it's entertaining to watch too. Same as Pulis once said 'teams think we're just long ball merchants but that allows us to play it into spaces' or words to that effect.
Simply hoofball?........Is it bollocks.
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Post by y_oh_y_delilah on Sept 2, 2009 19:28:40 GMT
Am I in some sort of weird time warp here? Hoofball is what we used to do isn't it!?  |
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Post by Big J on Sept 2, 2009 19:29:56 GMT
Danny Higginbottom
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Post by PotterLog on Sept 2, 2009 19:31:04 GMT
That was going to be my response...  |
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Post by CrazyPotter on Sept 2, 2009 19:33:08 GMT
The definition of Hoof ball is given by Higgy at the end of this video... ;D
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Post by nathan on Sept 2, 2009 19:38:36 GMT
-----------Back 4------------
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Post by parttimelurker on Sept 2, 2009 19:48:21 GMT
-----------Back 4------------ -----------2 CMs------------ LL--------------------------ME ------------DK/JB---------- -------------RF-------------- I see you've gone for Tone's expansive formation! ;D LL---------Back 4----------ME -----------2 CMs------------ ------------DK/JB------------- ----------------------------- --------------------------- --------------------------- --------------------------- -------------RF-------------- |
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Post by nathan on Sept 2, 2009 19:49:41 GMT
-----------Back 4------------ -----------2 CMs------------ LL--------------------------ME ------------DK/JB---------- -------------RF-------------- I see you've gone for Tone's expansive formation! ;D ;D |
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Post by march4 on Sept 2, 2009 19:51:18 GMT
Hoof ball is Plan A and it is the most successful form of football for allowing less talented players to compete with those who are world class.
Look at Jack Charlton's Ireland to see how well it can work.
There is a way to combat it, but I am not going to let on when the majority of Prem managers are too thick and lazy to work it out.
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Post by y_oh_y_delilah on Sept 2, 2009 19:51:57 GMT
What would you coach a player of limited ability with the ball at his feet in his own penalty area - dribble it out by trying to beat 3 forwards in the process OR get rid!! ??? |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 2, 2009 19:53:52 GMT
What would you coach a player of limited ability with the ball at his feet in his own penalty area - dribble it out by trying to beat 3 forwards in the process OR get rid!! ??? tazi asked a question and whoarethepeople answered it!  |
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Post by nathan on Sept 2, 2009 19:54:15 GMT
Our players look lost when they have time on the ball.
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Post by tazi on Sept 2, 2009 19:59:09 GMT
Our players look lost when they have time on the ball. Our players 'particularly central defenders' always look as though they got plenty time because there always seems to be someone covering and they dont look lost. |
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Post by stanners on Sept 2, 2009 20:25:28 GMT
I quite like the Higgy Hoof, that is of course compared to Higgy trying to do something with the ball! Decent defender... can't pass for shit!
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Post by Inverness Stokie on Sept 2, 2009 20:29:28 GMT
What would you coach a player of limited ability with the ball at his feet in his own penalty area - dribble it out by trying to beat 3 forwards in the process OR get rid! ??? I used to get told to shoot if you think you can score so my simple answer would be. SHOOOOOT !!!  |
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Post by bash62 on Sept 2, 2009 20:43:32 GMT
huth it comes from germany ?
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Post by Olgrligm on Sept 2, 2009 20:49:02 GMT
Tell me again what's wrong with long-ball football? It's much better to watch than, for example, that boring shite West Ham play.
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Post by bash62 on Sept 2, 2009 20:51:57 GMT
hoof it got wimbledon to wembley and won the final the rep of ireland did quite well hoofin it to ?
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Post by Cupid Stunt on Sept 2, 2009 20:56:08 GMT
In 04/05, our tactic was hoof the fucker to gifton or akinbiyi to run on to. Since then Pulis has been known as a one dimensional manager running a one dimensional team. Of course it's a myth, we've not been boring to watch since the return of Pulis, but for some reason people think 4-2 wins at Wolves and 3-2 wins over Villa and a 3-2 loss against Everton etc etc etc is boring.  |
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Post by brada23 on Sept 2, 2009 21:24:49 GMT
In 04/05, our tactic was hoof the fucker to gifton or akinbiyi to run on to. Since then Pulis has been known as a one dimensional manager running a one dimensional team. Of course it's a myth, we've not been boring to watch since the return of Pulis, but for some reason people think 4-2 wins at Wolves and 3-2 wins over Villa and a 3-2 loss against Everton etc etc etc is boring. I agree in 04/05 we did just hoof the ball up to ade and hope. But now with players such as whelan we pass the ball quite well at times. |
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Post by march4 on Sept 2, 2009 22:41:33 GMT
In 04/05, our tactic was hoof the fucker to gifton or akinbiyi to run on to. Since then Pulis has been known as a one dimensional manager running a one dimensional team. Of course it's a myth, we've not been boring to watch since the return of Pulis, but for some reason people think 4-2 wins at Wolves and 3-2 wins over Villa and a 3-2 loss against Everton etc etc etc is boring. I agree in 04/05 we did just hoof the ball up to ade and hope. But now with players such as whelan we pass the ball quite well at times. Look at the stats - the quality of Higgy's passing is much better than Glenn's. If, as some of you think, Higgy can't pass, where does this leave poor old Whelan. |
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Post by glennwhelan6 on Sept 2, 2009 22:44:37 GMT
On Saturday Glenn's passing success was 80% or summat, there was a post on a thread on here with the stats, but i can't be arsed find that.
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Post by Olgrligm on Sept 2, 2009 23:22:15 GMT
89% with 0 chances created.
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Post by anarchicalan on Sept 3, 2009 10:59:40 GMT
We still play percentage football where we need Mama to win the ball. It's a bit difficult to do that as he's currently injured, so Kitson or Beattie do Fuller's dirty work for him.
It's still hoofball and frankly we play decent football despite Pulis, rather than because of him.
The fact that he's signed Tuncay and Arismendi (I was hopeful of a winger who can actually beat a player as well, perhaps I'm being greedy), leads me to hope that our passing will be more accurate and measured, thereby giving the forwards a better chance of scoring.
I want to believe he can change, but substituting Kitson for Huth against Sunderland when we were just about to take a CORNER erodes my hope rather rapidly.
The substitution was correct, the timing was pathetic.
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Post by vestanpance on Sept 3, 2009 11:10:06 GMT
We're getting better.
If at some point somebody can teach Wilkinson to pass the ball we stand a chance, but seeing as it appears Collins will play LB and the Sunderland fans made up some ironic song about him being Brazillian, i'm guessin ghe isn't Ashley Cole either.
I'd rather watch us every week though than some Albion/West Ham hybrid, where they think bonus points are given for pissing around with the ball.
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Post by anarchicalan on Sept 3, 2009 11:14:04 GMT
....... If at some point somebody can teach Wilkinson to pass the ball we stand a chance, ........ For a minimum £5K a week, the very least I expect and demand from a PROFESSIONAL footballer is that he can pass a frigging ball accurately! |
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Post by vestanpance on Sept 3, 2009 11:15:14 GMT
You need more than that mate. (i'm guessing you missed a "K" off somewhere ) |
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Post by anarchicalan on Sept 3, 2009 11:24:13 GMT
I also need a new keyboard hahaha .....
I stand by my statement though.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2009 12:22:53 GMT
It aint always hoof-ball as many many people make it out to be because we can mix it up too and when we do then we play some decent on the ground football with plenty of pace and power. Now to be able to do that in relation to mixing it up then it really is an artform and should be admired and not just simply slagged of at every opportunity. Keep it as it is because not only is it damned well effective but it's entertaining to watch too. Same as Pulis once said 'teams think we're just long ball merchants but that allows us to play it into spaces' or words to that effect. Simply hoofball?........Is it bollocks. No it's not bollocks. Our football is effective but for me it's generally fucking awful to watch apart from the odd bit of magic from the likes of Fuller, Beattie, Lawrence etc. How anybody, apart from the 3 point monkeys, can say that our game is entertaining to watch is beyond me. We still rely on set pieces for a massive majority of our chances and rarely create many open scoring opportunities from open play - and that's just as true for our home tactics as it is away. Tuncay is a fantastic signing but unless Pulis introduces additional openess to our style he could be a complete waste. Why can't some of you just admit that you're doing your best to love an ugly baby? If every team played like Stoke no fucker would watch football. Artform my arse! |
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Post by The Berlin Wall on Sept 3, 2009 12:25:57 GMT
Sheffield united are the kings of it! That's what you get when you have a former GK as your manager IE Kevin Blackwell!
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