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Post by greywolf on Sept 2, 2009 11:49:31 GMT
Just a conversation I had with Lurkeo, (he was fed up of hearing how good the 70's team was) Is this current team better than the Hudson, Smith Greenhoff (god) team of the 70's.
I actually think its a better time to be a Stokie, its the best league in the world and the old 70's First Division was not.
The football is different tactics,fitness, diets etc. How good would that team be with all this I dont know.
what does anyone else think ?
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Post by stevebigsmokestoke on Sept 2, 2009 11:57:59 GMT
this is the best ever bud
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Post by y_oh_y_delilah on Sept 2, 2009 12:06:57 GMT
If you never saw THAT team play, you'll never know how effing awesome they really were.
Believe me, as good as the present team have the POTENTIAL to be, compared to the early 70's team the current squad will need an awful lot more, even better, new players to get even close.
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Post by jimmygscfc on Sept 2, 2009 12:10:29 GMT
Ignoring the erroneous comparisons with one era and another, how can anyone say today's team is better than a team who almost won the bloody league in 1975? Only those of us old enough to remember those boys will appreciate how good they were.
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Post by eddyclamp on Sept 2, 2009 12:17:34 GMT
In todays market Stoke would never be able to buy an Alan Hudson or a Jimmy Greenhoff,but I believe if we progress as we can do then in a season or two we could have a better team and are very close to it now.People forget that during our so called golden years we did spend a few at the wrong end of the table. This is without doubt,the best period for at least 30 years to be following Stoke.Yet still some moan  ,mind you they did when Waddo was here. Sit back and enjoy the ride,because Stoke being Stoke you just don`t know how long it will last. At least the stand roof looks strong enough this time around  |
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Post by ParaPsych on Sept 2, 2009 12:25:25 GMT
Stuff that being old enough nonsense. I never saw them, but you only have to look at a few youtube videos to see how good they were.
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Post by lordb on Sept 2, 2009 12:28:01 GMT
I still think the 1982 team was better than this one (getting closer & closer mind) with Chambo,Thomas,Mciltroy,Bracewell & later James
what a bloody good midfield that was!
mind you the current defence & forward lines are better.
Fox better than Sorronson imho.
If Tuncay stars then were in for a treat.
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Post by ted1965 on Sept 2, 2009 12:28:56 GMT
no is the answer but that is because that side were one of the top 5 or 6 sides in the country.
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Post by gibby1409 on Sept 2, 2009 12:37:59 GMT
I was lucky enough to see that Team. And even though we had a really good Team from about 1970 onwards, that Team in 1973-74 & 74-75 was fookin tremendous!
We added Hudson, then Salmons to the Squad we already had, Greenhoff, Conroy, Ritchie Smithy, Bloor, Marsh, Pejic etc etc, and all of a sudden we were up a level. Shilton came in 1974, and if not for the spate of broken legs etc, we would have won the League in 74-75
This Team has a lot to live upto, but in all that time, with only a few exceptions (Sammy Mac, Robbie James Micky T era) we have never been this close to being mentioned in the same breath.
Lets enjoy the ride, I was a bit young in the 1970's, and was spoiled by getting used at a young age to Stoke playing like that, and I probably took it for granted without savouring it like I am doing now!
Happy Days!!!!
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Post by jezzascfc on Sept 2, 2009 12:42:44 GMT
Come back and ask this question again when we have won the Carling Cup, been in the FA Cup semis twice, beaten the top teams in the country on a regular basis, narrowly missed winning the league and held the best team in Europe to a draw......
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Sept 2, 2009 12:57:51 GMT
Come back and ask this question again when we have won the Carling Cup, been in the FA Cup semis twice, beaten the top teams in the country on a regular basis, narrowly missed winning the league and held the best team in Europe to a draw...... Not to mention playing a friendly against Barca in the Nou Camp and beating them (3-2?) in front of a full house! ;D This team has a way to go before it matched the best of the Waddo years - but it is the best we have had for 30 years in my opinion. Whether we can ever reach those heights in this climate is doubtful. If we could afford to buy players of the calibre of Banks or Greenhoff today - could we afford to pay them? |
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Post by britpit on Sept 2, 2009 13:04:52 GMT
The one thing that all teams had and need now is a very strong defence, we had one in the 1970's and we are acquiring one now, from that platform you can start to progress with a strong spine from front to back and then add your wide men. The team in 1972 thru to 1975 was stunning we could get there again as we have made tremendous progress in the last 18 months, but we need a few years to establish ourselves.
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Post by march4 on Sept 2, 2009 13:26:04 GMT
1947 team were better than either.
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Post by PotteringThrough on Sept 2, 2009 14:43:39 GMT
1947 team were better than either. Until they sold the star! |
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Post by u2oxeterstokie on Sept 2, 2009 15:14:37 GMT
The 70's team are proven, the current team is not, simples!
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Post by Inverness Stokie on Sept 2, 2009 15:19:37 GMT
No !
We've had a good start to the new season but that's it and we'll need to get our new lads gelling with the current squad. The 70's team were constanly quality and you don't need age to tell you that when you see clips on youtube of Hudson, Greenhoff, Conroy et al.
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Post by thepremierbanksy on Sept 2, 2009 15:23:32 GMT
give us a 74/09 hybrid team then you old bastards.
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Post by u2oxeterstokie on Sept 2, 2009 15:25:37 GMT
give us a 74/09 hybrid team then you old bastards. I wouldn't split the 70's team |
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Post by mayf on Sept 2, 2009 15:39:29 GMT
Not even in the same league,if you will excuse the pun.The current team is even light years behind the team of the early 80's circa Chamberlain,Thomas,Mcilroy etc .
I feel sorry for those younger fans who never witnessed these sides,it's really chalk and cheese....although the current bunch do work harder in my opinion lol
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Post by barmystokie1 on Sept 2, 2009 15:46:50 GMT
I think its unfair to compare the different era's as the game has evolved tremendously. We need to establish ourselves in the top flight for at least 3 more years until we can have a fair comparison as we would then be an established team, like the 70s team were; but we have definitly got exciting times ahead I hope!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2009 16:33:11 GMT
This team is the best for 30 years...but looking back to that team in the 70s we had the best Goalie in the world, the most proliific marksman in Ritchie - a goal every other game in the top flight (worth what today) and in Hudson the most talented man in a generation sadly Smithy and Greenhoff were never tested at the top flight but both were more than capable of doing the buisness in it. This team of talented but mobile individuals isnt quite in the same league-yet- give us a trophy then we will review
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Post by bash62 on Sept 2, 2009 16:44:26 GMT
Come back and ask this question again when we have won the Carling Cup, been in the FA Cup semis twice, beaten the top teams in the country on a regular basis, narrowly missed winning the league and held the best team in Europe to a draw...... nail on the head my son . |
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Post by march4 on Sept 2, 2009 16:59:58 GMT
1947 team were better than either. Until they sold the star! That could be said of any team! We still had Franklin and Steele! |
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Post by mayf on Sept 2, 2009 17:06:12 GMT
This team is the best for 30 years...but looking back to that team in the 70s we had the best Goalie in the world, the most proliific marksman in Ritchie - a goal every other game in the top flight (worth what today) and in Hudson the most talented man in a generation sadly Smithy and Greenhoff were never tested at the top flight but both were more than capable of doing the buisness in it. This team of talented but mobile individuals isnt quite in the same league-yet- give us a trophy then we will review What do you mean Smithy + Greenhoff were not tested at the top flight ? Both were integral members of the 74-75 team,a team that came within 4 points of winning the title ! |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2009 17:08:31 GMT
never capped by England mate....so never played at international level
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Post by Cityfullergoals on Sept 2, 2009 17:09:51 GMT
This is probably the best Stoke team for anyone under the age of 30, but to compare them to the side of the early 70s - they dont even come close
The worlds best goalkeeper, a rock hard and rock solid back four, a superb midfield which included the best Stoke player I have ever seen (Alan Hudson), and my favourite Stoke player of all time (Sir Jimmy)
Wow - the memories, Cup Final, FA cup semis, Ajax, winning 2-1 at the Baseball Ground to really have me believing that we would be the BEST team in the country, and a Boothen End that absolutely buzzed and bounced with energy
Now the hairs on the back of my neck are really standing up
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Post by fortressbrit on Sept 2, 2009 17:25:05 GMT
Come back and ask this question again when we have won the Carling Cup, been in the FA Cup semis twice, beaten the top teams in the country on a regular basis, narrowly missed winning the league and held the best team in Europe to a draw...... ,that sums it up well mate. |
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Post by sonofbanks on Sept 2, 2009 17:35:58 GMT
"This is probably the best Stoke team for anyone under the age of 30, but to compare them to the side of the early 70s - they dont even come close
The worlds best goalkeeper, a rock hard and rock solid back four, a superb midfield which included the best Stoke player I have ever seen (Alan Hudson), and my favourite Stoke player of all time (Sir Jimmy)
Wow - the memories, Cup Final, FA cup semis, Ajax, winning 2-1 at the Baseball Ground to really have me believing that we would be the BEST team in the country, and a Boothen End that absolutely buzzed and bounced with energy
Now the hairs on the back of my neck are really standing up"
Amen fella, to think at the time as you say we had the best goalkeeper in the WORLD, a midfield player far, far ,far ,far better than Gazza or anyone that comes to mind at the moment, and Sir Jimmy up front with Leader, Smithy, Jackie et al at the back, am in me 40's and can remember alot of these teams and matches, exiting times I hope especially with the addition of Tucay.
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Post by march4 on Sept 2, 2009 17:38:46 GMT
Matthews, Franklin and Steele were regulars in the England team and Sir Stan was the best known player on the planet.
How can any other Stoke team compare.
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Post by Cityfullergoals on Sept 2, 2009 17:42:48 GMT
Matthews, Franklin and Steele were regulars in the England team and Sir Stan was the best known player on the planet. How can any other Stoke team compare. |
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,mind you they did when Waddo was here.
