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Post by Done it for scfcbuxton on Sept 1, 2009 21:02:35 GMT
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Post by lennylawrence7 on Sept 1, 2009 21:07:23 GMT
Get martin taylor to break his other leg
only joking thats a bit sad tbh
LL7
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Post by iilforddave on Sept 1, 2009 21:09:17 GMT
sniper on the roof
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Post by StoKeith on Sept 1, 2009 21:18:06 GMT
I don't agree that there should be straight reds for diving, because refs get it wrong so often! It won't put players off as it would happen rarely as referees wouldn't be sure and would fear vilification!
If you want to have a straight red for diving then they should use immediate video referral. The two in conjunction would work and although it would slow the game down slightly, the fact that the players know the ref will check the video and THEN send them off would be much more of a deterrent.
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Post by march4 on Sept 1, 2009 21:21:03 GMT
Transportation to Devil Island always seems the best option to me.
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Post by mattface on Sept 1, 2009 21:24:47 GMT
You dive and a decent ref spots it - yellow card. Poor ref doesn't spot it 2 game ban. To get a two match ban in Europe takes 6 yellow cards or under decent official 6 dives. Looks like UEFA have over reacted in my opinion.
Does it also mean all those people that get wrongly booked for diving can refer and have teh yellows overturned.
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Post by SuperRickyFuller on Sept 1, 2009 21:25:07 GMT
Rip the fuckers legs off What annoys me the most about it all is that he milked every little bit of sympathy regarding the horror challenge with Martin Taylor and then he repays the fans by diving and cheating It just seems like he's giving the big middle finger to everyone that supported him through possibly the most painful time in his career  |
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Post by Whitmore on Sept 1, 2009 21:25:54 GMT
I couldn't disagree more with the article. Some dives are so well simulated that it is hard to spot in slow motion on a repaly so how the heck is a ref spose to spot it on the pitch in real time 10-20 yards away. Give the refs a break, if they miss it they miss it, however make the diving cheating tw4ts sit on the bench for the next 10 games after review, theyt'll soon learn their lesson.
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Post by stokecityscott on Sept 1, 2009 21:28:59 GMT
Fuck me Fuller would be out for 50% of the season.
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Post by ti on Sept 1, 2009 21:29:39 GMT
rhetrospective yellows i think are a better solution, a dive is cheating, same as bringing someone down unfairly in a dangerous situation.
yellows would soon add up if players did it often enough
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Post by Whitmore on Sept 1, 2009 21:31:18 GMT
Lol fuller prob would ah, but your teams in the top 4 would av half a squad missing!
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Post by PotterLog on Sept 1, 2009 21:39:32 GMT
Video evidence is a ridiculous idea for anything other than goal-line clearances for one reason:
They don't bloody help decide anything!!
Just watch MotD, they can watch a slow motion clip 15 times and still not agree on whether someone was fouled or not. Rooney vs Arsenal was a perfect example - no doubt that Almunia caught his legs but in my view Rooney dived to win that penalty - he just managed to get Almunia to nick him.
This point is so often missed when discussing video technology - people just have this vague idea that one quick look at a replay will decide everything. The reality is that it's still far too subjective.
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Post by Olgrligm on Sept 1, 2009 21:44:49 GMT
FIFA have tried to kill the physical aspect of the game. It's time for them to kill the plague that has started. Watching international matches is both infuriating and embarrassing, watching teams like Holland and Portugal cheat their way to victory in matches. For me, that renders their achievements absolutely worthless. Doesn't matter how good they are, a cheat is a cheat. Make an independent adjudicator review every game and ban anybody who dives for a month or 4 games, whichever is longer.
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Post by StoKeith on Sept 2, 2009 2:11:44 GMT
Video evidence is a ridiculous idea for anything other than goal-line clearances for one reason: They don't bloody help decide anything!! Just watch MotD, they can watch a slow motion clip 15 times and still not agree on whether someone was fouled or not. Rooney vs Arsenal was a perfect example - no doubt that Almunia caught his legs but in my view Rooney dived to win that penalty - he just managed to get Almunia to nick him. This point is so often missed when discussing video technology - people just have this vague idea that one quick look at a replay will decide everything. The reality is that it's still far too subjective. I take your point - but a referee's job is to make a judgment and giving them a little help to make the correct decision can't be a bad thing. I'm sure they'd still make some mistakes, but they wouldn't be obvious and they would be generally debatable decisions, just like the Rooney one. And seeing as everyone would be debating those decisions anyway, there would be no "wrong decision". Back to the original point, if diving became a straight red card offence, you'd want the ref to be absolutely sure he was making the correct decision and that's where video evidence could help. (For the record, I agree with you about Rooney diving before contact was made!) |
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Post by wembley4372 on Sept 2, 2009 5:20:31 GMT
It's easy to stop.
Make the punishment fit the crime, they try to win a penalty, make the offence a penalty to the opposition so instead of winning one they give one away.
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Post by RAF on Sept 2, 2009 5:46:34 GMT
I wonder what everyones views on here would be if Ricardo did it again and the opposition got a penna for it?
There would be that many crying bleeding hearts on here it would be unfuckingbelievable.
There is only one way to deal with this and that is if the ref and linesman don't spot it then tough fucking shit.
Now violent conduct that isn't spotted by the ref should be punished retrospectively ie- Messi headbutt ,but fucking hell the game gets broken down enough from wanky refs blowing up for absolutley everything, never mind waiting for a panel to decide whether someone dived or not!
H
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Post by wembley4372 on Sept 2, 2009 5:52:56 GMT
Even fuller would stop RAF - might take a while but it would stop
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Post by RAF on Sept 2, 2009 5:59:14 GMT
Thing is Wembley, it may well stop them diving, but it wouldn't stop the accusations of diving, nor would it stop ref's questioning whether a player dived or not if he wan't sure.
So we would still be back to square one waiting for a panel to decide whether it was a dive or not, thus breaking the game down again, and as someone has already said, video evidence isn't always conclusive whether a player has dived or not.
Look at Torres v Wigan last weekend, I think he genuinely tripped over and had no intention of claiming a penna, but you saw the reaction of the Wigan defenders.
It's always going to be down to interpretation.
I say just crack on with what we have now, sometimes they get it right, sometimes they don't.
H
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Post by wembley4372 on Sept 2, 2009 6:07:25 GMT
But if the player knew the risk of falling over was to possibly give a penalty away, it could be that they try to stay on their feet and don't dive.
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Post by RAF on Sept 2, 2009 6:19:26 GMT
That would indeed be a great thing to see.
Unfortunately some of these players seem to be able to trip over some vicious blades of grass, and not necessarily going for a penna or even a free kick , but if it puts doubt in the refs mind we are back to square one.
Basically I understand what you are saying, but that is relying on the footballers having some integrity, and while there are a few out there that do conduct themselves in this light, the vast majority don't seem to have a problem trying to con the ref.
It would be a massive operation to try and clean up the game to that standard, if not ney on impossible.
H
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Sept 2, 2009 6:36:17 GMT
I don't see the problem with video evidence not being conclusive. If it isn't conclusive then the player doesn't get punished, if it is conclusive then he does get punished.
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Post by RAF on Sept 2, 2009 6:40:32 GMT
Yes how very nice and fluffy of you.
If only it was that clear cut, it's all down to interpretation.
Do you mind telling me why Messi gets away with dishing out a headbutt?
H
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Sept 2, 2009 6:45:38 GMT
Yes how very nice and fluffy of you. If only it was that clear cut, it's all down to interpretation. Do you mind telling me why Messi gets away with dishing out a headbutt? H I've no idea why Messi gets away with a head butt. All I am saying is that when video evidence IS conclusive I have no problem with using it. The system of "citing" used in Rugby Union works well and I don't see why something similar wouldn't work in football. |
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Post by RAF on Sept 2, 2009 6:52:41 GMT
I'll tell you why, becasue Messi is one of Blatters golden boys.
If that had been an English player he would have been fined and banned by now.
Video evidence in football will never work until corrupt tossrags like Blatter are hounded out of the game.
You can imagine the amount of appeals and counter appeals from football clubs over the world if this was brought in.
The reason it works in rugby, is because they aren't a bunch of nancy boys who cry, stamp their feet and appeal at every opportunity and just take the decision.
Proving eye gouging and if the ball has been put down over the try line with downforce is alot easier to prove than someone diving, unless it is completely blatant and Gerrardesque.
And if it was that blatant then the ref should be all over it.
H
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Post by frogs_carer on Sept 2, 2009 6:56:20 GMT
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Post by jonnynico on Sept 2, 2009 14:20:32 GMT
tie him to whinger then fire a cannon at them,
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Post by reddipotter on Sept 2, 2009 15:33:16 GMT
Until referees are willing to give penalties when players manage to stay on their feet, then players will continue to go over easily.
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Post by Inverness Stokie on Sept 2, 2009 15:47:26 GMT
The game of football is very quickly becoming such a farce i'm getting fed up with seeing people booked for good clean tackles and others winning penalties for diving.
If a footballer dives he should be booked ! Not banned, banning someone for looking like a complete twat just makes the whole of UEFA look like twats for employing a referee that was made a joke out of by one player.
With the goal stance I don't think there should be any video evidence, it would ruin the game of football and us as supporters would have nothing to talk about if decisions were correct all of the time. What's the point in disucssing it if there would be nothing to discuss ???
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2009 15:56:24 GMT
I don't see the problem with video evidence not being conclusive. If it isn't conclusive then the player doesn't get punished, if it is conclusive then he does get punished. So if you're 'lucky' to be playing in a game that Sky are covering where they've stuck cameras in every possible position you're far more likely to be caught out than say Vale v Rochdale which will probably be filmed by an 89 year old alcoholic holding a Brownie camera. I'd be happy with video evidence as long as every game was subject to the same video facilities in order to make things fair. I'd bet that if you're on Sky there'll be more cameras around than other Premier League games so in my view that's not an equal playing field where video evidence could be used to punish a player. |
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Post by Akinbadbuy on Sept 2, 2009 15:58:01 GMT
Award a penalty to the other side.
This would eliminate diving straight away.
Imagine walking into the dressing room after a match knowing you've cost your team the cup final because of your diving and cheating. Im sure the reaction of your team mates would be punishment enough.
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