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Post by bash62 on Aug 28, 2009 22:42:30 GMT
fifa might ban there player after watching replays well are they going to watch all replays when players cheat ,drogba ,ronalda , and all vale players one set of rules please arsen this time is right .
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Post by twisty on Aug 28, 2009 22:44:25 GMT
Arseole wanker is a complete tool i would respect him if he came out and said Eduardo dived, and he shouldn't of done it but to say he's watched the video and its NOT conclusive is absolutely unreal ,,,i hope (and it pains me to say it) UTD batter them this weekend.
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Post by kidsgrove4 on Aug 28, 2009 22:49:12 GMT
Arsene Vengaboy is a complete twonkmeister. The guys a cheat, admit it you dimlo,,he dived. Remember how he carried on when we beat them last year.." stoke are too big, they are aggressive, boo hoo" No time for him at all.  |
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Post by RAF on Aug 28, 2009 22:51:38 GMT
Can I just say sense?
Thx
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The bloke might be cunter number one, but his team is always worth watching from an enjoyable footballing angle!
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Post by bash62 on Aug 28, 2009 22:53:41 GMT
Arseole wanker is a complete tool i would respect him if he came out and said Eduardo dived, and he shouldn't of done it but to say he's watched the video and its NOT conclusive is absolutely unreal ,,,i hope (and it pains me to say it) UTD batter them this weekend. but am i right or wrong one set of rules , ronalda v rooney world cup stich up , maradona hand of the cheat goal . |
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Post by stokie4life on Aug 28, 2009 22:53:42 GMT
I agree with Arsene Wenger that Eduardo should not have been banned because if you ban Eduardo for diving then you have to ban every player who dives and that is not going to happen.
But for Arsene Wenger not to come out and admit that Eduardo dived is pathetic! He clearly dived and you can't excuse that.
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Post by macmozzer on Aug 28, 2009 22:56:34 GMT
you've got to accept the refs decision...end of!!!,and the whole world has seen what a cheating diving c**t he is,and what a twat wenger is!!!
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Post by potsyboy on Aug 28, 2009 22:56:46 GMT
Ref missed it gave penalty, end of. He dived but hey not high profile player so UEFA want to give him 2 match ban. Messi attempted headbutt tonight may attract the same attention, dont think so.
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Post by bringontheclowns on Aug 28, 2009 22:59:21 GMT
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Post by astro on Aug 28, 2009 23:01:11 GMT
Personally, I don't see why the FA couldn't monitor every Premier League match and hand out bans to all the people that got away with something that the ref didn't notice. There are only ~ 10 fixtures a week - it would be quite practical. They should do it systematically, rather than cherry picking Eduardo, though. That approach could have quite an effect on the amount of diving that goes on. They should also make Mr Wenger sit and watch, since he seems to miss so much of it during the match itself.
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Post by bash62 on Aug 28, 2009 23:05:17 GMT
I agree with Arsene Wenger that Eduardo should not have been banned because if you ban Eduardo for diving then you have to ban every player who dives and that is not going to happen. But for Arsene Wenger not to come out and admit that Eduardo dived is pathetic! He clearly dived and you can't excuse that. noyou are right , but how many players cheat and there managers protect them some encourage them all i want if we are to use tv replays we use them in every game for every thing that happens not just arsenal ,the worst thing in football for me is when some one goes over the ball to do a player and nothing is said the prem is full of cheats . |
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Post by bash62 on Aug 28, 2009 23:06:37 GMT
Arseole wanker is a complete tool i would respect him if he came out and said Eduardo dived, and he shouldn't of done it but to say he's watched the video and its NOT conclusive is absolutely unreal ,,,i hope (and it pains me to say it) UTD batter them this weekend. if you want the shit to beat arsenal you are ill |
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Post by onebollockbarry on Aug 28, 2009 23:08:01 GMT
Now what would the outcome be if this was Gerrard?
You decide...
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Post by stokie4life on Aug 28, 2009 23:08:11 GMT
But why should it just be Premier league teams. What about the Championship, League1, League2 etc. What about other countries. You can't just monitor Premier league matches because what about everybody else, they'll be getting away with murder. Not so practical if you have to monitor every match in every league in every country which is the only fair way to do it.
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Post by potsyboy on Aug 28, 2009 23:10:40 GMT
Younger refs who actually can keep up with play...but then theres no experience, never get it right
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Post by bash62 on Aug 28, 2009 23:11:13 GMT
you've got to accept the refs decision...end of!!!,and the whole world has seen what a cheating diving c**t he is,and what a twat wenger is!!! and fergies boys , plus chelseas puffs ,and dunt gerrard dive now and then they all do it mate prem diving cheating over paid wankers they make me sick they could not lace stans boots |
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Post by bash62 on Aug 28, 2009 23:14:24 GMT
Now what would the outcome be if this was Gerrard? You decide... pen defo stevies clean , like my fellas arse |
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Post by stokie4life on Aug 28, 2009 23:15:15 GMT
I agree with Arsene Wenger that Eduardo should not have been banned because if you ban Eduardo for diving then you have to ban every player who dives and that is not going to happen. But for Arsene Wenger not to come out and admit that Eduardo dived is pathetic! He clearly dived and you can't excuse that. noyou are right , but how many players cheat and there managers protect them some encourage them all i want if we are to use tv replays we use them in every game for every thing that happens not just arsenal ,the worst thing in football for me is when some one goes over the ball to do a player and nothing is said the prem is full of cheats . I understand that managers want to protect and encourage players but what if a manager came out and said that their own player was cheating and that they were in the wrong. That would help to clear the constant diving and cheating up which would help refs as well. it up. This would also encourage other managers to do the same and this would help get rid of the cheats. But if high profile and highly influential managers such as Arsene Wenger pretend that they haven't seen the incident and try and make excuses for their own players cheating then what sort of message does that send out. |
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Post by macmozzer on Aug 28, 2009 23:15:34 GMT
they can stick their top 4 up their arse mate!!!
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Post by stokie4life on Aug 28, 2009 23:19:34 GMT
Younger refs who actually can keep up with play...but then theres no experience, never get it right No matter how experienced or young you are referees are bound to make mistakes and we just have to accept that. It would be much easier for refs to get the big decisions if the players weren't diving and cheating all the time but I can't see how fining every player for diving and cheating is a realistic idea and therefore Eduardo should not have been punished. |
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Post by bash62 on Aug 28, 2009 23:20:45 GMT
they can stick their top 4 up their arse mate!!! well said son i hate the furkin lot of em we are stoke they dont like us but who gives a fuk we are true fans who care about our team . |
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Post by dwr17477 on Aug 28, 2009 23:21:18 GMT
AW has a point but to deny the dive is painful. Wouldn't he have been better to admit that Eduardo dived but then express concern as to how this post match baning is going to be monitored. If we are going down this route, wouldn't it be better to have instant referral to a touchline referee??? I, personally, don't agree with referrals, etc but you either accept the referee's decision and get on with it or we use instant technology and sort it out there and then. Having belated bans for such offenses will cause chaos...where would it end???
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Post by Beardy200 on Aug 28, 2009 23:21:35 GMT
I agree with Arsene Wenger that Eduardo should not have been banned because if you ban Eduardo for diving then you have to ban every player who dives and that is not going to happen. . Why not? We all want that don't we? |
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Post by stokie4life on Aug 28, 2009 23:24:00 GMT
AW has a point but to deny the dive is painful. Wouldn't he have been better to admit that Eduardo dived but then express concern as to how this post match baning is going to be monitored. If we are going down this route, wouldn't it be better to have instant referal to a touchline referee??? I, personaly, don't agree with referals, etc but you either accept the referee's decision and get on with it or we use instant technology and sort it out there and then. Having belated bans for such offences will cause chaos...where would it end??? I agree. That is how Wenger should have reacted and banning every player for these offences is completely unrealistic. |
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Post by craigscfc on Aug 28, 2009 23:24:36 GMT
yeah hes talking sense but hes a f*cking hypocrite
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Post by dwr17477 on Aug 28, 2009 23:27:42 GMT
True, craigscfc.
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Post by The Full Morrison on Aug 28, 2009 23:28:27 GMT
Wenger is an odious hypocritical tosspot of the highest order.
I do think that video evidence should be used retrospectively against all divers though. As someone mentioned earlier, there are only ten premier league fixtures per week and its the only way they can ever hope to stop it.
However, if we are being honest, its worth a mention that our very own Mr Fuller tends to go down like a sack of shite considerably more often than most!
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Post by The Jester on Aug 28, 2009 23:28:34 GMT
I think he's talking bollocks (again) personally. The point wasn't to change the referee's decision, but to punish Eduardo for "conning" the referee into making a wrong one. It's clearly written in the rules that any such behaviour may lead to punishment.
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Post by anarchicalan on Aug 28, 2009 23:29:50 GMT
The problem is that we (the supporters) scream for penalties, free kicks, yellow and red cards even when it's glaringly obvious that nothing is warranted. Referees are only human and get influenced by crowds.
Players diving - in my day your own team mates would have kicked you for being such a cheating pansy - has been an acceptable ploy (for all the above reasons) in the quest for MONEY.
It can't be for glory, there's nothing glorious in cheating, and winning has become all that matters, rather than the nature of the victory.
We have the laws of the game, one of which states that it should be played "within the spirit of the laws". How often do we see that?
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Post by astro on Aug 28, 2009 23:30:00 GMT
But why should it just be Premier league teams. What about the Championship, League1, League2 etc. What about other countries. You can't just monitor Premier league matches because what about everybody else, they'll be getting away with murder. Not so practical if you have to monitor every match in every league in every country which is the only fair way to do it. I agree that wouldn't be practical but why would you have to introduce this for every league? You would need to do it consistently within a league so that teams not being monitored don't gain a competitive advantage over those teams that are being scrutinised, but there's absolutely no need to monitor every game in the world to be fair to the premiership clubs - they're only competing against each other. There are already loads of ways in which the prem and other leagues differ from each other, including the quality of officials, pitch dimension regulations etc. If we really had to be consistent between the Prem and, say, league 2 then we'd share officials with them and they'd have the same size pitches. There really wouldn't be a problem with consistency if a TV replay based sanction system were used in the Premiership alone, as long as it was done consistently in the premiership. |
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