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Post by markscfc72 on Feb 11, 2008 8:56:52 GMT
;D
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coll45
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Post by coll45 on Feb 11, 2008 9:11:39 GMT
remember early in the season coventry near top sky kept interviewing him and thought he was best manager in the league.
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Post by Premiership for hutchstokie on Feb 11, 2008 9:13:50 GMT
why he get sacked ? for being to ugly!!!
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Post by dexter97 on Feb 11, 2008 9:21:44 GMT
Strange decision at this point in the season.
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Post by howard moon is a stokie on Feb 11, 2008 9:22:26 GMT
it never surprises me just because a manager (no matter how sh*te) is high profile he can walk into another championship team!! he wil be back.
lets just hope he managers our close rivals for promotion. dowie doesnt know his full back from his arse crack
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Post by baystokie on Feb 11, 2008 10:28:32 GMT
He has a promotion to the Prem on his CV so he must know something?
- there are managers who haven't achieved such a promotion who still manage to get jobs!
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Post by miltonstokie on Feb 11, 2008 10:43:50 GMT
He'll probably get the Southampton job now
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2008 11:04:41 GMT
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Feb 11, 2008 11:23:13 GMT
With a face like that,it ought to be miss sire.
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Post by Godo on Feb 11, 2008 12:04:02 GMT
Have to say I always think he talks a good game and he generally always speaks well of usas a club. I think he has been told some porkies about what funds would be available and it can't have been easy operating against such uncertainty or lack of investment.
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Post by SegaMegaDave on Feb 11, 2008 12:59:12 GMT
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 11, 2008 13:27:42 GMT
Baystokie, has Bryan Robson, yet I'd much rather stick with our "manager who has yet to achieve such a promotion" than that clueless buffoon.
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Post by baystokie on Feb 11, 2008 19:00:11 GMT
rvd10 - I think we've had this discussion before - and agreed to disagree!
I've never understood thie slagging off of a manager who's going through a bad time, especially when he's had SOME success previously. It happens to most managers (Keegan, Dowie, Robson, Dave Jones) at some time. Some managers have bad times BEFORE they've won anything?
Still think it's better to be a 'has-been' than a 'never-was'?
I reserve 'clueless buffoon' for those managers who never achieve anything of significance - and you have to wait until they retire before judging them - so I'll put TP's accolade on ice for the time being.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Feb 11, 2008 19:16:07 GMT
Baystokie, Robson has hardly achieved anything of significance. Like Pulis he saved a team from relegation when he took them over mid season but (whilst that was a good thing to do) it doesn't compare to winning something, does it?
At Boro he was given better backing than most managers and still needed Venables to bail him out. At West Brom he did more harm than good and his time at the Blades has been an unmitigated (and expensive) disaster.
He was one of the best England players I have seen and he is one of the worst managers I have seen. That's just the way things go sometimes.
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Post by baystokie on Feb 11, 2008 21:12:29 GMT
fornside - So you consider Robson's getting Boro to the Prem in 1994/5 as 'hardly achieving anything of significance'?
I trust you will attach the same valediction should Pulis achieve the same?
I'm sure that TP and Stoke fans would consider such an achievement as 'more than significant.'
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Post by swipers on Feb 11, 2008 21:26:44 GMT
All because they sold Adebola and knew they would not now beat the Mighty Potters ;D
...OK so Football does not solely revolve around Stoke at the moment, or does it?
I suppose now at least the "Pulis to Saints" story can fuck off when Quasimodo goes there
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2008 21:43:16 GMT
baystokie - Robson was given millions upon millions to get Boro promoted, and then got a Boro side with Ravanelli, Juninho, Emerson, Festa, Branco and Branca relegated. His overall win record at West Brom is 25%. He's been relegated with every club he's ever managed, and there's still time for that trend to continue this season, where he's taken a Sheffield Utd which still contains most of the team which was only relegated from the Premiership by corruption, spent four million on James Beattie on top of that, and still managed to make them relegation contenders.
Pulis is a better manager than Robson. I will not let this go! ;D
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Post by armitagestokie on Feb 11, 2008 21:45:04 GMT
He's got eyes like a sparrowhawk
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Post by CalgaryPotter on Feb 11, 2008 21:49:26 GMT
Robson is a wart
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Feb 11, 2008 22:33:31 GMT
baystokie, vandeurzen has summarised perfectly my feelings on the subject of Robson. With the money he had to spend getting Boro promoted he would have deserved shooting if he had failed. To then get a squad costing that much and with that much quality relegated, shows just how bad he is.
I see he has rounded on the Blades fans and accused them of negativity. Funny is that - love them or loath them, the Blades fans have usually been amongst the more positive of fans in the past few years. Then again, when we visited Bramhall Lane a few months back the ineptitude of their manager was plain to see so they are entitled to feel negative towards him.
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Post by baystokie on Feb 11, 2008 22:39:41 GMT
robvand - you continue not letting go!
'Pulis is a better manager than Robson' - upon what FACTS is this assertion based? Pulis is doing a very good job BUT he's not won/achieved ANYTHING yet. Robsn may have spent miillions getting promotion but he DID it - Pulis has spent quite a few million this season and still isn't in the Prem - save your verdict for WHEN/IF he does. Until then, he's just another non-achiever.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2008 22:45:02 GMT
Baystokie - you're missing the point - the circumstances surrounding the two managers are different.
Robson walks into high-profile jobs based purely on his reputation as a player. He'd no managerial experience and walked into the Boro job, where he was given a king's ransom to spend on transfer fees and wages. I firmly believe Pulis would have got that Boro team promoted with that budget, and I'm pretty confident that you or I could have had a pretty decent crack at it.
He got that big job, and that big budget, because of his success as a player - nothing at all to do with his ability as a manager. His miserbale failures with the riches at his disposal illustrate this further.
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Post by baystokie on Feb 11, 2008 23:02:22 GMT
rob - fair points though 'Pulis would have got that Boro team promoted' is no way a given.
'Miserable failures with the riches at his disposal' could come to haunt another manager and I trust you will be equally forthcoming! In fact, according to fornside's criteria, he would deserve shooting if he fails!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2008 23:07:33 GMT
It isn't the same thing though. In today's game, we are awash with money. Yes, we've been big spenders in January, but we're competing with teams who've had millions in parachute money, or who've spent just as much if not more than us since August.
In 1994, the landscape was very different. There was no parachute money (or at least not on the massive scale of today), and Boro's budget was far greater than most teams in that league.
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