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Post by spitthedog on Apr 27, 2009 16:09:46 GMT
someone please explain...Why can't Fuller and Camara play together???
the same was said about Fuller and Beattie.
I can't believe any player is similar to Ric? He's a one off!
Let's face it Cresswell can't play with anyone, so surely it is still the most promising combination
I also don't accept this Camara is suddenly crap argument, after a few very brief performances.
players sometimes need a bit of playing time, ffs Cresswell has been given a generous amount of it. I cannot seriously believe that Camara was solely brought in to put pressure on Ric, with no intention of playing him.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2009 16:12:52 GMT
I don't recall anyone saying Fuller and Beattie couldn't play together. Beattie and Mama yes, but the consensus was that Beattie and Fuller would work just fine.
I think people think Fuller and Camara can't play together is because both are seen as pacy, out and out strikers who are both more effective when they have a foil in the shape of a target man to hold the ball up and do the donkey work.
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Post by ruts66 on Apr 27, 2009 16:16:01 GMT
"Camara is too much like Fuller..."
And what exactly is the problem with that Mr Pulis? Or are you going to persist with effectively playing 10 men?
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Post by bostonstokie on Apr 27, 2009 16:23:07 GMT
I don't recall anyone saying Fuller and Beattie couldn't play together. TP said it himself on the radio. |
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Post by stayingupforbigbazza on Apr 27, 2009 16:28:14 GMT
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Post by serpico on Apr 27, 2009 16:34:41 GMT
I'd rather see Olofinjana given a go there than Cressie if Beattie is unavailable, Cressie has been given ample chances to prove he's capable of playing at this level and has failed to do so, no point in denying the obvious, he's just not good enough and has in fact become a liability .
I think Olofinjana is better with the ball than Cresswell is, who often panics and gives the ball away when in possession, Olofinjana, whilst far from perfect, is more composed on the ball .
That is if Pulis insists that Cam/Ric can't play together, I suppose that opinion is only true if we absolutely insist on playing with a withdrawn striker, do we always have to have a striker who drops deep ? can we not adopt another tactic for just one game ? .
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 27, 2009 16:51:14 GMT
The fact is we haven't a clue if they can't play together in a competitive game situation.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2009 16:56:37 GMT
I don't recall anyone saying Fuller and Beattie couldn't play together. TP said it himself on the radio. I'm not convinced he did, unless you can find it. |
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Post by serpico on Apr 27, 2009 16:58:21 GMT
The fact is we haven't a clue if they can't play together in a competitive game situation. I don't see why it couldn't work, Fuller is capable of playing the flick ons and I'm sure Camara is capable of tracking back when needs be. The question is do we always have to play with a withdrawn striker ? if we can't adapt our tactics for a couple of games then something is wrong. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 27, 2009 17:05:12 GMT
The question is do we always have to play with a withdrawn striker ? if we can't adapt our tactics for a couple of games then something is wrong. Nail on head Serps. The thing I really don't get is why did Pulis bring Camara on at all on Saturday? If there is no way that Fuller and Camara can play together why bring Camara on for the last 7 minutes? Or to put it another way, if Pulis was prepared to play them together for 7 minutes, why not play them together for 17 minutes, or 27 minutes, or 57 minutes or 87 minutes? |
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Post by Beardy200 on Apr 27, 2009 17:07:25 GMT
TP said it himself on the radio. I'm not convinced he did, unless you can find it. Me neither. |
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Post by Irish Stokie on Apr 27, 2009 17:07:30 GMT
The current system we employ is to have one player to challenge aerially for the long balls, Mama and Beats, and another to case the flick, Fuller and Camara. Unless we change our style of play which is extremely unlikely i cant really see them playing together
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 27, 2009 17:09:10 GMT
I think people think Fuller and Camara can't play together is because both are seen as pacy, out and out strikers Rob that argument doesn't work for me. If we had Nicholas Anelka or Fernado Torres at Stoke, would we still have started Cresswell on Saturday and left Ric on the bench? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2009 17:22:49 GMT
I think people think Fuller and Camara can't play together is because both are seen as pacy, out and out strikers Rob that argument doesn't work for me. If we had Nicholas Anelka or Fernado Torres at Stoke, would we still have started Cresswell on Saturday and left Ric on the bench? That's a pretty spurious argument though isn't it Paul? |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 27, 2009 17:28:33 GMT
Rob that argument doesn't work for me. If we had Nicholas Anelka or Fernado Torres at Stoke, would we still have started Cresswell on Saturday and left Ric on the bench? That's a pretty spurious argument though isn't it Paul? Go on mate ... |
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Post by PottersPride on Apr 27, 2009 17:30:55 GMT
god 2 fullers on the pitch be a lazy but effective pairing
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Post by harrysburrow on Apr 27, 2009 18:30:45 GMT
TP did say that Ricky and Camara were too similar. He'd obviously rather play Cresswell than 2 pacy impact strikers (whippets as Lakeland put it) with proven goal-scoring ability.
He's always preferred 2 strikers of differing styles, I can only think his thinking on Saturday was:
Style 1 - Fuller (Premiership quality, with pace and an eye for goal).
Style 2 - Cresswell (Championship quality, with no pace who doesn't look like scoring).
Like Serpico says - we need to be able to adapt from our style of play for a couple of games at least.
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Post by th05 on Apr 27, 2009 18:38:22 GMT
Don't understand why he wont play the proven prem striker over Cresswell. Although to be fair, they do both like to float out wide a bit leaving no one in the middle.
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Post by crimesy on Apr 27, 2009 18:42:45 GMT
I don't recall anyone saying Fuller and Beattie couldn't play together. TP said it himself on the radio. When? |
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Post by harrysburrow on Apr 27, 2009 19:16:42 GMT
He said it while talking to Nige.
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Post by Gifton on Apr 27, 2009 19:27:30 GMT
part of me thinks that camara and fuller are very similar players but another part of me thinks if liverpool had the choice of either two torres' up front or torres with voronin i think it's pretty clear what they'd do!
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Post by march4 on Apr 27, 2009 19:35:07 GMT
There is one reason and one reason alone that Camara doesn't play - he is no good.
He has been no good in the games (1st team and reserves) that he has played for Stoke.
He has been poor for 18 months at Wigwam.
He was no good at West Ham on loan.
He was no good at Southampton on loan (loan ended early)
He was despised at Celtic, after unbelievable antics (loan ended early)
Wolves fans spit at the mention of his name, because of his unprofessional antics.
The word that best describes his spells at all these clubs is disappointing.
Ask yourself, why has a player had so many clubs and not settled. Why do the fans of these clubs really hate him.
I know Cresswell is rubbish, but at least he is good for the dressing room and runs around on the pitch. Camara is just rubbish.
Lets get through the rest of the season. Say goodbye to Camara and Cresswell and get in some proper squad depth.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 27, 2009 19:36:01 GMT
But he scores in the Premier League. Quite handy!  |
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Post by march4 on Apr 27, 2009 19:38:04 GMT
But he scores in the Premier League. Quite handy! As we've said before, even Michael Rickets has managed that. And he has scored 2 goals in 2 seasons in the Prem. That is almost as bad as Cressers!! |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 27, 2009 19:40:36 GMT
So should we have a striker that does fuck all?
Or one that will score at least one goal?
I know who I'd pick!
And I know TP would start Cressy every time but Camara should've come on with at least 30 minutes to go to see if him and Fuller can actually play together. It makes no sense that this didn't happen as we had nothing to lose.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 27, 2009 19:41:48 GMT
I know Cresswell is rubbish ... Camara is just rubbish. Lets get through the rest of the season. Say goodbye to Camara and Cresswell and get in some proper squad depth. Is there an option for playing a formation that doesn't include either of them, erm ... now? |
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Post by spitthedog on Apr 27, 2009 19:43:12 GMT
There is one reason and one reason alone that Camara doesn't play - he is no good. He has been no good in the games (1st team and reserves) that he has played for Stoke. He has been poor for 18 months at Wigwam. He was no good at West Ham on loan. He was no good at Southampton on loan (loan ended early) He was despised at Celtic, after unbelievable antics (loan ended early) Wolves fans spit at the mention of his name, because of his unprofessional antics. The word that best describes his spells at all these clubs is disappointing. Ask yourself, why has a player had so many clubs and not settled. Why do the fans of these clubs really hate him. I know Cresswell is rubbish, but at least he is good for the dressing room and runs around on the pitch. Camara is just rubbish. Lets get through the rest of the season. Say goodbye to Camara and Cresswell and get in some proper squad depth. well that begs the question!...............................Why.......(fill in the blanks)???????? |
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Post by march4 on Apr 27, 2009 19:45:35 GMT
The formation in my mind is 5 in midfield with Oli in the more advanced position (Mama role).
Either that or get BT playing.
Everytime I hear Cressers is playing my heart drops.
Everytime I hear Camara is associated with our club I shrink a little bit more in embarrassment.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 27, 2009 19:47:30 GMT
I'd love to know what Kelly, Tonge and Camara have done to You march. You seem to distrust (mildly put) the 3 of them.
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Post by march4 on Apr 27, 2009 19:51:15 GMT
I'd love to know what Kelly, Tonge and Camara have done to You march. You seem to distrust (mildly put) the 3 of them. It makes a change from disliking Cresswell like everyone else ;D |
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