Today, Dave Jones, Paul Wilkinson and police.

[knowingeye]

Wilkinson (Cardiff reserve manager) clearly assaulted two Stoke City employees, a ball boy and a first aid man, both of which should have expected better protection from the stewards and the police when they arrived on the scene.

Dave Jones then tried to provoke further crowd problems by using foul and abusive language directly at the crowd behind the bench and toward the directors area, together with gestures that could easily have been construed as incitement.

When the police waded in I watched and waited then eventually speaking to the big black police inspector informing him that I had seen everything, both Wilkinson and Jones were well out of order and they should at least be warned about their conduct. He told me that the fourth official said that neither Jones or anyone else on the Cardiff bench had done anything wrong. (I'm sure that any CCTV would show the truth)

I then told the inspector that I (being an ex Manchester copper) wasn't going to believe such BS and neither should he and I wanted to make a formal complaint. He told me he couldn't take any details because he was wearing his gloves!

Amusing, comical and disgraceful actions from stewards and police who've done nothing to improve fan relations by doing nothing. Staffs Police Chief Constable Chris Sims and Tony Scholes need to get this sorted before the fans get really angered by such terrible treatment. The club want the fans back but why should they pay to be abused by the stewards, visiting team management and get no assistance from the police. Copy of this mail sent to police.

Good game and three points by the way. Simmo and crosses don't mix. Pulis really angered by some of the negative play at times, ie. backwards, which was mildly surprising.

[robin1302]

What annoys me is that fans are ejected for swearing at the Cardiff bench yet when Jones gives some back nothing happens to him

[jcscfc]

I will and I urge everyone who saw the incident to report Jones and his official to the football league. email address is [e-mail]

This is the 2nd sucessive season Jones has caused problems, last season he had a go at Hendrie.

[soicowboy]

On another thread someone said that folk were calling Jones a paedophile like last season- surely they must be reported as well.?

[Not_Nick_H]

I have no idea what happened, but those events match what the person who sits next to me in the Seddon Stand saw from bang opposite. If it's true then someone MUST put in a formal complaint - the Police have to investigate then (they are bound by law).

[POS51]

Dony be silly, far too busy pulling cars over!!

[spitthedog]

if any of those evicted or arrested were the same chanting 'paedo' at Dave Jones, then i have absolutely no sympathy at all.
in fact they should be banned from the Brit altogether, it is not acceptable, and those people are an embarrassment to themselves and the club

whatever happened with the ball boy is a seperate issue.

[Deleted]

I thought he was acquitted and cleared of all accusations?

[peterhampton]

Not only was he not convicted but the trial judge made it very clear that the charges shouldn't have been brought in the first place, the Police (surprise surprise) had handled it very badly. I'm pretty sure, from memory, that the Judge stopped the trial and didn't let the Jury anywhere near it.

So calling him a paedo is sort of wrong..... he is a twat though.

[sportsman]

I bet Jones has gone mad with his coach for throwing the ball at that ball boy!

[s7oke]

theso called police inspector if it is the same one is ignorant and arrogant,a couple of seasons ago i witnessed outside the match someone being pushed over by a so called police officer and then sworn at for no reason what so ever.when i asked this officer for his number to report him because he was wearing none ,which im sure is an offence he told me 999 and fuk off(hilarious)
i saw the so called inspector not 20 yards away and explained the situation as it had happened as the copper stood near him and he told me to go to the station and report it which i explained i could not do because i had not got the officers number,but as he was stood there i would appreciate him getting it,he told me no again and then proceded to say if i didnt go he would nick me .After protesting he then said to me go on give me an excuse call me it to what i replied call you what, he said a black bstd let me nick ya go on now fuk off
MAKE YOUR OWN MIND UP BUT IS HE THE SORT OF COPPER THAT SHOULD HAVE ANY POWER AT ALL ! I THINK NOT
IM SURE THERE ARE MANY MORE TALES FROM THIS INDIVIDUAL
FIT TO BE A COPPER HE IS NOT IN MY OPINION

[ukstoke1]

Spit the dog.. A totally agree and am pleased that someone else has some morals and commonsense left!!

If you were a family man who is wrongly accused of being a "paedophile" and then 10,000 people chant PAEDO PAEDO then I can totally understand why he retaliates... I know that he shouldn't but it is totally understandable! Dave Jones is not a paedophile! He was wrongly accused and rightfully acquitted!

The actions of the assistant manager were also totally unacceptable but definitely not linked!!

Sorry Dave Jones from all decent Stokies!!

[PottersBrim]

ukstoke1 said:

Sorry Dave Jones from all decent Stokies!!

Dave Jones - You might not be a paedophile but you are a twat. Love Brim

[stokiesteve1966]

[ukstoke1]

Brim.... Have some karma from me!! lol ;D

[penkhullite]

knowingeye, coppers can't write due to gloves, but some cu^t can fly a helecopter due to treble time!

Glad you stuck up for what was right even though you have "a past! " ;D

[Olgrligm]

Absolutely disgusting.

I was in row 9 of the John Smith's lower right behind the dugout and saw it very clearly. The Cardiff coach attacked a ballboy and then when a St John's Ambulance man came over to try and calm him down, he attacked him too. How low can you get? Attacking a child and an ambulance man is very low indeed. Anyway, funnily enough this riled a few people and he got given a bit of verbal hell, so Jones turned round and started swearing at people (after one person had already been thrown out in the first half for swearing!) and making comments. In rode the police and the stewards and what did they do? Did they arrest the instigators? Did they buggery, they waved cameras around and threw out those who had the audacity to point out the two who they should have been arresting. These are the pillocks who put a fairly harmless game (as the Oatcake pointed out) back to 12:30 and over policed it and yet also want a big bloody pay rise. They want their pay docked, every single one of them. I'm amazed there isn't a petition on the Downing Street website to stop the police getting this pay rise. Anyway, after throwing out a few Stoke fans and standing around filming everybody, the police then strode off leaving Jones and the low life coach standing around quite happily. Oh, and some people somewhere behind me then got thrown out for wearing clothes that weren't colour co-ordinated or something. What a waste of money.

[SneydGreenStokie]

As Ive said. Dave Moans is a wanker. Nothing more needs to be said.

[cantcheatkarma]

Remember a lot of people have been convicted on so called Police Evidence.


Then been aquitted, abliet a few years later, when the DISBANDEDATION has gone through.

Anyone see the resemblance of a Known person who escorted D Jones down the touchline after the game...................

[Thank you from Moorlander1]

then told the inspector that I (being an ex Manchester copper) wasn't

Hey Knowingeye,one for Moorlander,I clocked you ages ago when you spoke of no break down of law and order in Leek. 10 out of 10 for Moorlander!!!

[knowingeye]

The chants against Jones were wrong, fact.

The actions of Wilkinson against unpaid volunteers, a ball-boy and first aider were illegal.

The blind stupidity of the stewards in not sorting it out themselves concerning and unforgivable. (Questions have been asked before about their true ability.)

But more concerning was the arrogant attitude of the Staffs police to wards sensible observations of those that could have helped them, which they chose to ignore. Funny when they ask for assistance in other potentially criminal cases they get frustrated with the lack of public reaction.

Do they wonder why when they are so apathetic in fulfilling their obligations in front of so many potential victims or future witnesses of other crimes?

Unprofessional conduct in its most extreme.

BTW I was in block 13 row 2 10 yards from what took place. I have met Paul Wilkinson in private and found him to be pleasant and professional, but I sure that he needs no reminding that on this occasion he stepped over the mark and the resultant actions of Dave Jones towards the fans in the lower John Smiths totally unacceptable.