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Post by wakefieldstokie on Apr 14, 2009 11:48:54 GMT
Time for a reality check.
We are more than capable of losing the next two games and being bang in it. Blackburn will be a very tough game.
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Post by stokie25 on Apr 14, 2009 11:50:30 GMT
positive mental attitude and blind optimism will see us through ;D
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Post by Smudge_SCFC on Apr 14, 2009 11:51:41 GMT
Very true.
It's been very heartening to see TP and the players refusing to admit that we're anywhere near safe yet. They know it's all to be done.
I honestly think that was part of Hull's problem. They started to believe their own hype, or at least Tango Man did, and it's been a huge part in their spectacular collapse.
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Post by Pughy86 on Apr 14, 2009 11:52:37 GMT
WE ARE STAYING UP SAY WE ARE STAYING UP.
we never do things easy.
have faith, remember pulis has not been relegated as a manager
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Post by assessornum1 on Apr 14, 2009 11:53:59 GMT
Doesnt mean it will never happen, oh err missus
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Post by PONTAFCE on Apr 14, 2009 11:54:06 GMT
WE ARE STAYING UP SAY WE ARE STAYING UP. we never do things easy. have faith, remember pulis has not been relegated as a manager Thats the worst thing you can say mate.Theres still time for pulis to get relegated just dont utter the words  |
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Post by stan on Apr 14, 2009 11:59:34 GMT
I agree. Although ostensibly we are in a better position than we were last week, I'm more worried now. We really need at least a point on Saturday, otherwise we are right in it.
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Post by march4 on Apr 14, 2009 12:00:25 GMT
I'm glad I'm not the only one uttering words of caution.
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Post by Baggs on Apr 14, 2009 12:02:38 GMT
I am also extremely nervous - not least because my voice ain't come back from Saturday yet, and if it's not right for the Blackburn game I won't be able to play my part  |
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Post by JoeinOz on Apr 14, 2009 12:06:06 GMT
We aren't in a situation to say any game is a surefire win.
Remember Sheff Utd being ten points clear and still went down.
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Post by Alvechurch Assassin on Apr 14, 2009 12:08:21 GMT
Proof of the pudding is that we have another "must not lose" on Saturday.
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Post by themikester on Apr 14, 2009 12:09:22 GMT
wakefieldstokie.
Spot on.
Our 3 away games (even Hull) will be tough games so I think we need 5 points from our home gaems.
Any combination on 2wins and a loss or 1win and two draws or better still 3 wins.
But a defeat to Blackburn then potentially makes the West Ham game massive and I personally think that is the toughest of our home games.
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Post by march4 on Apr 14, 2009 12:11:22 GMT
We aren't in a situation to say any game is a surefire win. Remember Sheff Utd being ten points clear and still went down. Sheff Utd were in the bottom 3 after 32 games. They were 10 points clear after 27 games - so still 11 left. We are in a much stronger position than they were. |
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Post by carverdoone on Apr 14, 2009 12:21:15 GMT
Sorry, but we are going to stay up.
Why do you think that teams like Newcstle, Boro, Hull, etc. are suddenly going to start winning lots of games?
Why do you think that we are not going to pick up just four points from six games (only one of which is against one of the 'big four')?
There is a big difference between being cautiously pessimistic and being downright silly.
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Post by redditchpotter on Apr 14, 2009 12:28:47 GMT
I must admit that looking for a sure fire win in our remaining fixtures is baffling me at the moment.But a couple of draws could be enough,because as someone else has said,these other teams at the bottom are not all going to start winning loads of games
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Post by march4 on Apr 14, 2009 12:29:09 GMT
Sorry, but we are going to stay up. Why do you think that teams like Newcstle, Boro, Hull, etc. are suddenly going to start winning lots of games? Why do you think that we are not going to pick up just four points from six games (only one of which is against one of the 'big four')? There is a big difference between being cautiously pessimistic and being downright silly. Carver, first of all congratulations for living in one of the most beautiful parts of the country. Second, I think it is important that someone on this board tries to keep a sense of perspective whilst being quietly confident that we survive. It is possible, unlikely, but possible that Newcastle in particular will now have a run of good results. Boro reminded us at the weekend that they are still fighting. Big Sam should steer Blackburn through. Hull and Sunderland are in freefall and are both in imminent peril. Suppose Hull beat us and Sunderland start to play as they did against ManU, then the picture becomes more difficult for us. TP is keeping the players on their toes and I think this is the correct approach. The sooner we are definitely safe the better and I hope to be among the first to be on here confirming that news. |
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Post by drwhom on Apr 14, 2009 12:35:59 GMT
I agree. Although ostensibly we are in a better position than we were last week, I'm more worried now. We really need at least a point on Saturday, otherwise we are right in it. Poundland doing Thesaurus now? |
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Post by themikester on Apr 14, 2009 12:39:02 GMT
There are 18 points to play for.
Yes I can see Hull picking up very few points
Castle have got some tough games
Boro I cannot see them picking up a lot
But the Blackburn game is probably the one to break the camels back.
3 points and we are probably then 1/2 points away from safety.
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Post by Titan Uranus on Apr 14, 2009 12:55:10 GMT
No, we certainly are not.
We need another five points.
Anybody who's been watching Stoke City FC for a long time will tell you we can quite easily mess this up.
Let's keep a lid on things for a bit please.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2009 12:56:47 GMT
This is where TP can do his job well and keep the pressure firmly off his players... I would personally like to see a bit of a media hush from the players to be honest and just keep shtum till the Fat is in full verse. TP can do all the interviews he knows the score.
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Post by carverdoone on Apr 14, 2009 13:01:01 GMT
Sorry, but we are going to stay up. Why do you think that teams like Newcstle, Boro, Hull, etc. are suddenly going to start winning lots of games? Why do you think that we are not going to pick up just four points from six games (only one of which is against one of the 'big four')? There is a big difference between being cautiously pessimistic and being downright silly. Carver, first of all congratulations for living in one of the most beautiful parts of the country. Second, I think it is important that someone on this board tries to keep a sense of perspective whilst being quietly confident that we survive. It is possible, unlikely, but possible that Newcastle in particular will now have a run of good results. Boro reminded us at the weekend that they are still fighting. Big Sam should steer Blackburn through. Hull and Sunderland are in freefall and are both in imminent peril. Suppose Hull beat us and Sunderland start to play as they did against ManU, then the picture becomes more difficult for us. TP is keeping the players on their toes and I think this is the correct approach. The sooner we are definitely safe the better and I hope to be among the first to be on here confirming that news. Thank you. Beautiful day down here and quite a few holidaymakers in the village. I think we have done the hard part now. The run that took us from 29 to 36 points was the crucial bit. Obviously if we lost the last six we would go down, but the worst we have done in the PL is to lose three in a row once (Blackburn, Man Utd and West Ham). |
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Post by Titan Uranus on Apr 14, 2009 13:04:18 GMT
It's funny how opinions vary.
I actually think Blackburn is the toughest home game out of the three and West Ham the most "winnable".
I base that on Big Fat Sweaty Slobbering Sam's team selection at Liverpool.
He is renowned for picking and focusing on "must win" games and I reckon this is one of them.
West Ham on the other hand will have less to play for and hopefully will come under the southern softies syndrome.
That's my thought anyway.
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Post by podolipotter on Apr 14, 2009 13:27:29 GMT
Having seen Stoke lose 3-0 at Blackburn, I am not confident about us winning the return - in fact, I have done the predictor with us scoring draws at Hull and at home to Wigan and losing the other four - but we still finish above the bottom three....... Nervous, you bet!
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Post by jorgieporgy on Apr 14, 2009 16:07:31 GMT
Steady on wer’re in a better position than we were before Newcastle.
Brazil still 10 points behind
Toon still 6 points behind
Boro 2 less now only 6 behind
Blackburn 1 more 2 behind
Sunderland 1 more 4 behind
Hull 1 more 2 behind
Pompey now 1 behind (1 game in hand against Man U
They all obviously have one less match to play
If this lot catch us up they need to beat Bolton, which would drag Bolton back into it and they all can’t win all their matches because of the number of 6 pointers left.
However with a thin bench, there is no reason for over confidence. I don’t suppose Bolton are counting their chickens just yet
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2009 16:19:03 GMT
i really think that we cannot and must not lose on saturday. any point is a good point at this stage of the season, and one more less game to play. what we don't want is some bad results in the other games at weekend. what a sickener if newcastle win at spurs and we lose, that would throw the cat amongst the pigeons once more.tony must not play cresswell at all costs, and of we manage to get one up, he must put another defender on towards the last twenty mins or so.
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Post by garyhackett on Apr 14, 2009 16:21:14 GMT
I think we should be enjoying the present moment, we are 6 points clear of relegation with 6 games to go...if we cannot enjoy the way things currently are then we need to give up.
We just need one win and possibly a draw from our last 6 games in my opinion so lets be optimistic we have spent too many years being pessimistic and thinking the worst.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2009 16:59:18 GMT
If we win on Saturday its done and dusted. We are right to keep our feet firmly on the ground and I am sure this is the message Pulis is hammering into the players. Lets not get too pessimistic though, we should stay up from the position we are in and I fully expect us to.
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Post by stokesyboy01 on Apr 14, 2009 17:08:12 GMT
To many deluded people on this board, some are talking about stoke being European Champions and supplying half the England side, get a grip lads we are not safe yet. Don't let the cockerel out before it's to early for it to crow,  |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 14, 2009 17:08:41 GMT
I think we should be enjoying the present moment, we are 6 points clear of relegation with 6 games to go...if we cannot enjoy the way things currently are then we need to give up. We just need one win and possibly a draw from our last 6 games in my opinion so lets be optimistic we have spent too many years being pessimistic and thinking the worst. With you 100% Gary! Pulis or the players wont be going into any of the games over confident so it doesn't really matter if the supporters are feeling positive at the moment. They have a right to feel positive. Sheesh imagine if the marketing department at SCFC had used the heading "Steady! We Aint Safe Yet" as the slogan on the literature they sent out when asking people to renew their season tickets! |
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Post by barmystokie1 on Apr 14, 2009 17:16:02 GMT
spot on greenhoff--- if we win what will be a very diffuclt game againt Blackburn, although judging by their performances against spurs and liverpool (i know its a different game) which were poor and being confident about our home record we shouldnt be as scared as people are making out. if we do what we do best and get stuck into them,and win then we are good as safe because the gap with 5 games to go for me will be too great.
In any case we must not lose, especially to a rival team!!!
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