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Post by rorymscfc on Apr 6, 2009 14:42:06 GMT
A serious question!
We have improved consistently every season that he's been with us but assuming that we can't really harbour any genuine hopes of the Champions' League ( ;D) then where is the limit under the current regime that runs the club?
BTW I'm not trying to imply that anyone else could or indeed should do better!!!!
RoryM
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Post by barmystokie1 on Apr 6, 2009 14:45:02 GMT
I think he can establish us as a premiership team for a long time and then in 3-4 years time maybe go on to emulate the likes of blackburn and bolton and get into the Uefa cup....... maybe even try to address our ridcisly shocking cup runs?
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Post by stokecityscott on Apr 6, 2009 14:45:53 GMT
Uefa cup next season
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Post by stokelad84 on Apr 6, 2009 14:45:58 GMT
This could open up a can of worms!
Charlton fans said the same thing about Curbishly, now they're heading for league 1!
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Post by wembley4372 on Apr 6, 2009 14:46:47 GMT
ridcisly?
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Post by march4 on Apr 6, 2009 14:47:30 GMT
All the way.
Waddo#2
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Post by Targaryen Stokie on Apr 6, 2009 14:47:34 GMT
Good question, I suppose if we stay up we should aim purely to try and stay in the league again (as the second season is always the toughest apparently). Then if we do manage to stay up again, aim for a top half finish... :-) My BBC predictor already has us on a top half finish for THIS season though...
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Post by mikeyb99 on Apr 6, 2009 14:49:20 GMT
Realistically, the best we can ever, ever, ever hope for (and I'm talking very long-term here) is Europa League football and the occassional cup win. Presuming that we are able to finish the job and stay up this season, clearly Pulis's next job is to turn us into a reliable mid-table team. I would also like to see him to utilise his funds more effectively next season, and play a slightly more measured style of football. I think creating a good youth-team policy is a must, as is better exploiting foreign markets - I think its here that Pulis might ultimately fall short.
Time will tell.
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Post by ersaurebot 1, 000, 000 views on Apr 6, 2009 14:50:04 GMT
probably top ten club under the current regieme but you would need serious financial backing to get to the next level, however, in 4-5 yrs coates would probably sell as he aint gettin any younger and if we did get that good, with the money spent to get us there, he would probably sell at a reasonable price so we aould be a good prospect.
You then enter the realms of foreign/ far away owner etc etc which im not sure i'd enjoy, but in answer to your question, i'd say Pulis could take any team all the way to the top, imagine if TP had 50 mil to spend on defence and a top class keeper, a copuple of world class midfielders, a carrick style defensive mid and some class act strikers. He would make an unbeatable team taht worked arrrrd and had bite, but also knew how to make that killer pass more often and had intelligent strikers
not sure what my conclusion is there though!
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Post by Anto1962 on Apr 6, 2009 14:50:29 GMT
I think we have to hope for top 13 every year any Higher is very difficult these days, although Villa are trying to gate crash. You have to think that Man City at some point might throw a challenge with all the money available. Pulis has done a wonderful job playing football that got us into the top flight, the hard part now is staying there improving over the next few years. And for people who think we can't stay there tinkering a little bit with our style but remaining basically the same I have two words, Bolton Wanderers.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2009 14:53:44 GMT
This was a voyage into the unknown for all concerned this season. It was the fans’ first experience of premier league football, as it was for many of our players and also for our Tone. He’s passed with flying colours in my opinion and he looks like (fingers crossed ) he can maintain his record of never being relegated, which is very impressive. I think he’s proven a lot of people and critics wrong in what he’s achieved. People said he wouldn’t adapt and that his style of football (2 banks of 4, men behind the ball, long ball tactics etc etc) would get us found out at this level but the signings of Beattie and Etherington show me that when the resources are available he will go for quality players, not just physically strong, 6”+ plus meat heads!! You can question some of his signings but the likes of Sorro, Ab Faye, Amdy, Ryan, Whelan, Beattie, Fuller, Lenny, Ethers etc etc over the past few years have undoubtedly made us a much stronger outfit. Even the signing of Kitson (which Tone has to shoulder some of the blame for not working out IMO) showed he wanted to change his style with the resources made available. If we keep with Tone I don’t see why we can’t become a team much similar to Wigan. I don’t believe we will go down the “Bolton route” and just sign “better” physical players. I believe if we stay where we are we will adapt our style of play and sign better players. A Pulis team will always have fight, spirit and determination and that is always a big, BIG, positive. I do however believe he will bring in better quality players and establish us in the top flight. Now there’s just the small task of securing survival this season ;D
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2009 15:12:45 GMT
Pulis will take us precisely where the playing staff allow him to take us. The better the players we get, the better we will do.
Not many of our players would make it into many other Premiership sides. Some of the players we started with this season can't really be serious contenders any more either. Pulis has done very well with the squad he has. The tactics are sound, the same approach got Ireland to the World Cup Quarters. But the closed season will be interesting. We need to improve the playing staff and aim for a safe mid-table position next season. Same again the season after.
Another thought, would Pulis do another season or two and then leave before we reach our potential? A Premiership manager who can keep a less-then-wealthy team from getting relegated is worth about £60Million. What with TP on his one year rolling contract, at some point, a 'bigger' club could come knocking
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Post by lew86 on Apr 6, 2009 15:26:17 GMT
As W.D points out, he is trying to up our game and change things around with the rescources he's got. I dimensional manager? I think not.
I honestly believe he'll maintain and slowly continue to help us grow so that we become an established club in best place to be.
I recall getting slated on here for telling people to stick by him earlier this season. Where are you all now?
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Post by stokelad84 on Apr 6, 2009 15:30:42 GMT
I have always backed TP
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Post by Platty on Apr 6, 2009 15:33:36 GMT
i really think pulis can consolidate our position in the league and build an impressive team that may in a few years push for a european place, a little like what hodgson and steve bruce are doing with fulham and wigan respectively
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Post by OldStokie on Apr 6, 2009 15:39:07 GMT
"How far can Pulis really take us?" That's not an easy question to answer. There are so many variables that could happen that it would be foolish to predict how far he could take us. Much of football is down to luck. You can't legislate for that. However, all things being equal, there is no reason why, if he can retain our status this season, we can't become an established Premier club. I would agree with Tom's [whydelilah] assessment. It's been a long windy road with Pulis. Some of the fare he has dished up has been some of the worst I've seen at the club. IMHO, he's been guilty of some shady and underhand tactics at times. That's why, unlike the Rimmers, I don't go overboard about him. But...and this is a big BUT... he has delivered the goods. And, at the end of the day, he's proved many of us wrong. I include myself in the 'many'. So, I reckon he'll establish us in this league and will adapt to it. We'll never be a 'big club' because all the odds are stacked against it. What he will give us is a club we can be proud of once again. [In fact, he's already done that.] And, we will always know that with him at the helm, you should never count us out. He's engendered a fighting spirit in our club that has seen us match and beat the Fancy Dans. Who, not so long ago, would have thought that we would not fear playing any of the top four at The Brit? Now, under his leadership, there isn't a home game that we think we can't win. That in itself is a great achievement. Except for Martin O'Neil and Big Sam and, perhaps, Moyes, who are all pragmatic managers, I wouldn't want to change our manager. The likes of Wenger and Fergie and Benitez wouldn't last five minutes at our club. They'd be lost on our budget. Pulis has delivered the goods and I can see him continuing to deliver them. Also, and this is most important, he has a great working relationship with his Chairman. And that's as much as you're going to get from a PHW. And some smartarse can throw that back in hindsight when we are relegated back to The Championship. OS.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2009 15:41:41 GMT
Mick, correct me if I’m wrong, but was that (begrudging) praise for Tony “The Messiah” Pulis?
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Post by OldStokie on Apr 6, 2009 15:46:35 GMT
Just do one, Tom. M.
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Post by foxfield on Apr 6, 2009 15:52:11 GMT
There will always be people with unrealistic expectations. We have a wonderful double act with PC and TP. We do not want to do a Leeds and with PC we won't, thank god. I will be very happy if we can just consolidate in the Premiership. We have the type of players that can do well in the cups, but our income will always restrict the size of our squad. Just look at Villa, Spurs and Everton all of whom are way off breaking into the top four. Just try and be satisfied
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Post by mcf on Apr 6, 2009 15:53:02 GMT
You wouldn't want to change our manager eh OS....
...my God, TP will be pleased.
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Post by OldStokie on Apr 6, 2009 16:00:11 GMT
TP doesn't give a fuck, Merk. In that way, he's like you and me. OS.
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Post by mcf on Apr 6, 2009 16:02:01 GMT
;D I can't quite believe that the odds are in favour of me having another, easy and idle summer. With no Pulis to defend..yet again...what will I do.
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Post by Ghostface on Apr 6, 2009 16:02:13 GMT
Pulis out
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Post by OldStokie on Apr 6, 2009 16:09:10 GMT
I dunno about you, Merk, but... ...I'll be back if he picks Cresswell agin. OS.
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Post by Irish Stokie on Apr 6, 2009 16:27:42 GMT
I think Moyes has shown that a club can achieve great things on a real shoestring budget if you do the research. Look at players like Cahill, Jagielka, Lescott, Neville, Howard, Pienar to name but a few of his signings and also the integration of young players like Osman, Rodwell and Gosling and it shows what can be achieved. Now this season he spent big on Felliaini and nearly signed Jo in the summer but that is just money based on the success he had already acheived.
I think Pulis has set us up as club that is capable of being very competitive and hit mid-table and next season the main objective will be avoiding relegation again but with one eye on a top 10 finish. Its a very exciting time to be a Stoke fan and i think Pulis could take us into Europe in 3-4 years time!
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Post by truckerged on Apr 6, 2009 16:51:21 GMT
our tone allways takes it one game at a time every season his first task is to garner enough points to avoid relegation if he is in a position to go for a eufa cup slot then mark my words he will. i was 50/50 when he came back but i was never negative and i will allways support whoever is manager of MY club [even bally r.i.p] some of the comments on this mb over the past couple of years have left me tearing my hair out. i hope he is still here in ten years time he deserves it
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Post by stayingupforbigbazza on Apr 6, 2009 17:16:49 GMT
all the way
why don't you PHW's shut the fuck up and go and support your hero Mr Boskamp in belgium again
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by Pugsley on Apr 6, 2009 17:25:04 GMT
Are we safe yet? We can still go down, although I don't EXPECT us to.
For the future - we need to establish ourselves as a Premier League side and develop our style of play which will attract better players (along with paying higher wages).
There is no reason why we can't be the next Wigan, Fulham, etc. with the odd Cup run thrown in. Uefa cup - pipe dream.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Apr 6, 2009 17:41:27 GMT
I think Moyes has shown that a club can achieve great things on a real shoestring budget if you do the research. Look at players like Cahill, Jagielka, Lescott, Neville, Howard, Pienar to name but a few of his signings and also the integration of young players like Osman, Rodwell and Gosling and it shows what can be achieved. Now this season he spent big on Felliaini and nearly signed Jo in the summer but that is just money based on the success he had already acheived. I think Pulis has set us up as club that is capable of being very competitive and hit mid-table and next season the main objective will be avoiding relegation again but with one eye on a top 10 finish. Its a very exciting time to be a Stoke fan and i think Pulis could take us into Europe in 3-4 years time! Irish, before our Everton away game Pulis was very complimentary about Everton, Kenwright (sp?) and Moyes. Whilst they have an impressive pedigree they have not been a rich club for many years now and I think Pulis probably would hope to achieve the sort of placings they have managed during Moyes' time there. He will be aiming to turn us (over a year or three) into a regular top half of the table side who would start every season looking to finish in the top ten and possibly, in a good year, in 5th or 6th. Anything beyond that looks out of our reach but I suppose, like all of us, TP sometimes has a few day dreams in which we reach the top spots. He may be a pragmatist but I bet he's got the same hopes as we all have. Can he do it? I don't know. What I do know is that when he and Coates returned, they gave us hope that we might reach the Prem in 3 years and made it in 2. So I, for one, am not going to bet against him - I'll certainly enjoy watching him try. ;D
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Post by lazymatt on Apr 6, 2009 18:03:34 GMT
TP seems like he needs to settle at a club for his tactics to be of use, he doesn't seem to adapt to teams rather shapes teams around his style, that being said I think he will stay with us for some time as he would no doubt be less successful at other top tier clubs. As for his ambitions here, next season will be much the same as this season. It will be a fight to stay up,more working arrd but with a few new faces. Season after that fingers crossed its mid/top table and more interest in the cups.
I think PC could be the one playing a bigger part in it all. As was said further up he isnt gettin any younger, so will his love of the club see him donate some of his tasty tasty funds in the next few seasons? Or will he be looking to sell to an owner with a love of the club and a bit of spare cash, or just someone whos gonna spend big in the club? Or worst case just sell to any one, or a conglomerate who will pay?
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