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Post by albanianstokie on Apr 3, 2009 9:21:37 GMT
Ok they won what is now the UEFA cup in 1969, fair play, that's a fine achievement, but that's it! When you look at what other clubs have acheived since then, how can they claim "big club" status????
These are some of the teams that have won more major trophies than Newcastle Utd Since 1970.
STOKE CITY
Oxford Utd
Portsmouth
Sunderland
Norwich City
Wolves
Man City
West Ham
Luton Town
Enough said!
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Post by dozintheseventees on Apr 3, 2009 9:25:05 GMT
Add: Wimbledon
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Post by sheikhmomo on Apr 3, 2009 9:27:46 GMT
and Middlesbrough. Oh how big they are.
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Post by dozintheseventees on Apr 3, 2009 9:28:05 GMT
Southampton, Ipswich, Coventry
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Post by hchpotter on Apr 3, 2009 9:29:00 GMT
They've never even got close in the Autoglass!!!
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Post by hchpotter on Apr 3, 2009 9:30:36 GMT
Blackburn, Leeds, Leicester....
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Post by scfc75 on Apr 3, 2009 9:35:09 GMT
FA Cup:
Coventry
Ipswich
Southampton
League Cup:
Middlesbrough
Leicester (x2)
English top flight:
Derby (x2)
Notts Forest
Leeds
Blackburn
Newcastle piss me off with their big club mentality, nothing would give me more pleasure than to see Chelsea rag 'em on Saturday and then for us to beat them at The Brit. Hopefully if that happens they will be 5 or 6 points adrift and on their way to play fizzy pop football at Swansea, Peterborough, Blackpool and Doncaster
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Post by trebor63 on Apr 3, 2009 9:35:58 GMT
Newcastle fans absolutely amaze me, they are so blinkered and utterly up themselves they actually think Newcastle are massive!
Last night I heard Don Hutchinson (Newcastle fan) almost fall off his chair he was that staggered that someone suggested Tottenham were as big as Newcastle!
To be honest Tottenham and Newcastle mean nowt to me I don't like or hate either of them but clearly Tottenham are a bigger club than Newcastle in every single way. But to hear Hutchinson it was like he thinks Newcastle are up there with Liverpool and Arsenal as opposed to being a perrenial Premier struggler (apart from one or two good seasons a decade ago)
Another Newcastle fan phoned in and said Newcastle fans were thew problem cos they only wanted ex heros as their manager and Shearer probably wouldn't work. At this point I thought he might be from planet earth. But then he continued ' we were never going down anyway so it won't be Shearer that saves us' and then 'we should get Beardsley as manager!!'
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Post by oatcakemate on Apr 3, 2009 9:37:06 GMT
I remember our supports always said we were a "big club" during 80's and even up to Mid- 90's  |
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Post by dozintheseventees on Apr 3, 2009 9:37:25 GMT
Villa: League Champs and European Cup
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Post by trebor63 on Apr 3, 2009 9:39:42 GMT
I remember our supports always said we were a "big club" during 80's and even up to Mid- 90's But we are!  |
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Post by oatcakemate on Apr 3, 2009 9:43:12 GMT
oh yeah ;D
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Post by dozintheseventees on Apr 3, 2009 9:44:05 GMT
West Ham (FA Cup)
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Post by hchpotter on Apr 3, 2009 9:49:56 GMT
And even Man Citeh because they really were a huge club when they won the League Cup in 1974.
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Post by dozintheseventees on Apr 3, 2009 9:50:40 GMT
So, throw in Liverpool, Man U, Chelsea, Arsenal, Everton and, in the space of a few minutes, we've managed to find between 20 and 30 clubs that have won major trophies since Newcastle last won anything. (No doubt there are many more with a little more thought).
Some BIG CLUB!
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Post by sheikhmomo on Apr 3, 2009 9:54:23 GMT
I remember our supports always said we were a "big club" during 80's and even up to Mid- 90's Like the man said. We're 'a sleeping monster'  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2009 9:56:20 GMT
Sometimes some of their lard arse fans take their tops off when it’s cold.
It doesn’t get much bigger than that.
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Post by hchpotter on Apr 3, 2009 10:03:03 GMT
If you look at the Premiership, Newcastle, West Brom, Wigan, Hull, Bolton and Fulham have all failed to win a trophy more recently than the Potters. We truly are massive.
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Apr 3, 2009 11:24:00 GMT
Just to play devils advocaat then...if Newcastle are so shyte how come they get 50,000 plus for home games and have a waiting list of 30 years for season tickets.. And whenever I've been up to Newcastle upon Tyne I've only ever seen Newcastle tops NEVER Man U/Arsenal/Chelsea etc etc If only we could say that about Stoke on Trent  |
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Post by panini2001 on Apr 3, 2009 11:29:48 GMT
Just to play devils advocaat then...if Newcastle are so shyte how come they get 50,000 plus for home games and have a waiting list of 30 years for season tickets.. And whenever I've been up to Newcastle upon Tyne I've only ever seen Newcastle tops NEVER Man U/Arsenal/Chelsea etc etc If only we could say that about Stoke on Trent Simply because there is nowt else to do up there. They have not got Man U, Man City, Liverpool, Everton, Aston Villa, Derby, Wolves, Birmingham, WBA etc etc on their doorstep |
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Post by thepremierbanksy on Apr 3, 2009 11:33:03 GMT
These are some of the teams that have won more major trophies than Newcastle Utd Since 1970. STOKE CITY  That line you drew in the sand there is rather convenient |
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Post by Caerwrangonpotter on Apr 3, 2009 11:40:05 GMT
Big club bullocks! Never too big to go down, and they could well do with it to wake up to the reality that they have been treading water for too long, kidding themselves they are better than they are...Glory nights in the Champions league, forget it! Next season away to MK Dons. Simples!
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Post by burberrybassist on Apr 3, 2009 11:47:10 GMT
They love being the under achievers though. The ain't gonna like playing championship football next year though LOLOLOLOLOL!!!!
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Post by albanianstokie on Apr 3, 2009 11:55:02 GMT
Just so many teams that have won things in the last 38-39 years whilst Newcastle have been sleeping, how long does a giant have to be sleeping to be no longer classed as a giant. We were a big club in the 70s and early 80s, by the early-mid 90s we could no longer really claim that, but I always felt we had big club potential. That's all Newcastle are, a decent sized club with the potential to be a big club.
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Post by dozintheseventees on Apr 3, 2009 11:55:43 GMT
banksy: The line he drew was a whole massive 2 years before our one and only, major trophy (Take your point)
But, to be fair, it does give Newcastle almost 40 years to 'back up' their big club claims.
The 50,000 crowds are a 'recent' phenominon(?) up there. They've had big crowds off and on in their history as have most major English clubs. But let's not forget that they averaged less than 20,000 not so very long ago and nearly slipped into the third tier of English football (If only Port Vale could have beaten them).
If crowds were the decider, they would be in competition with clubs like Sheffield Wed/Charlton and many many more over the years.
ALSO:
Quite apart from the huge competition we face in terms of major cities and 'top' clubs omn our doorstep, you have to consider the size of Newcastle V the size of Stoke. When you measure their crowds as a proportion of the population, we fair pretty well as we are a fraction of the size.
In fact, when you factor that into crowd sizes, we come out as a very well supported club indeed.
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Post by youthster on Apr 3, 2009 12:14:42 GMT
Ah! The old 'Toon Army are the biggest and most loyal fanbase in the world' chestnut...I love being able to refer back to the facts! Errrm - it took a promotion-winning campaign in 92/93 to lift their attendances out of the doldrums. (The only other season where they got anywhere near 30K back then was another promotion season - glory hunters, anyone?). So, I'd like to know where the loyal countless thousands were back then?  : 1992/1993 Division One (New) 1(C) 29,048 1991/1992 Division Two (Old) 20, 21,012 1990/1991 Division Two (Old) 11, 16,879 1989/1990 Division Two (Old) 3, 21,579 1988/1989 Division One (Old) 20(R), 22,815 1987/1988 Division One (Old) 8, 21,059 1986/1987 Division One (Old) 17, 24,792 1985/1986 Division One (Old) 11, 23,434 1984/1985 Division One (Old) 14, 26,228 1983/1984 Division Two (Old) 3(P), 29,881 1982/1983 Division Two (Old) 5, 24,116 1981/1982 Division Two (Old) 9, 17,276 1980/1981 Division Two (Old) 11, 16,001 |
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Post by dozintheseventees on Apr 3, 2009 12:33:56 GMT
As I said, big crowds are a 'recent' thing for them.
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Post by youthster on Apr 3, 2009 12:39:13 GMT
You did, Doz. It is shocking how many times this nonsense is trotted out though - expect to hear it a lot tomorrow...
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Post by albanianstokie on Apr 3, 2009 12:50:20 GMT
I don't think anyone would argue that they are small time, but I guess I was saying that there are a few clubs, Newcastle, Sunderland, Bolton, Us etc that like to have pretension sof being a big club. Newcastle's claim is decent but it's no better than anyone else's, including ours really.
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Post by scfc75 on Apr 3, 2009 12:54:50 GMT
What I hate the most... "this club and it's fans don't deserve to be relegated".... what a load of bollocks, any team not good enough deserves to be relegated, and as for the fans what set of fans would deserve to suffer relegation? Maybe the ones with dilusions of grandeur?? |
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