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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2009 17:58:02 GMT
Seems simple to me.
the business case - (always the prime consideration in any decision such as this) must be very compelling indeed!
The chief executive openly appears worried about us overselling our season ticket proportional allocation as regards how many tickets' we should be selling on the day. This simple assertion screams one thing =
increased capacity is required !
The only outstanding enabler to such a decision is, whether we stay up - pure and simple.
Talk of of 'windbreaks is rather half hearted - working in nuclear construction (as I do) I reckon it'd cost them between £1 & 2 million (minimum) for the windbreak structure, (assuming its needed at the boothen end ) and, for a full blown corner stand with seating (assuming the footings were put in when the ground was originally built, would probably cost in the order of £5-6 m tops at todays money values.
Stay up -Sell Kitson for say £4 million and, the club wont even feel it !
To me these are simple sums and an easy decision with a very simple business case.
SO
We stay up - construct a corner stand to link the boothen to the main stand and increase capacity by another couple of thousand seats (allowing for the ambulance access - should be relatively
easy to accomplish
PS. the club gets its 'windbreak' AND its a revenue stream !
if it were my club - Id be tendering right now
C'mon stoke city - c'mon Tony Scholes
ticks ALL the boxes !
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Post by Pugsley on Mar 28, 2009 18:16:35 GMT
Surely it would be easier to fill where the new scoreboard is? This would make the ground look considerably better and would be the cheaper option. Move the scoreboard to above where the players run out and put the windbreak in where it is planned to be now.
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Post by abboscfc on Mar 28, 2009 18:16:41 GMT
surely it would have to add 2500 to the capcity so that would leave us with 30.000 which i think is plenty, and like you say 4 mill for kits and the added revenue from ST / match day tickets sould more or less pay for it also they may be able to get sponsorship for it which brings in even more money in,
so i dont see the problem why can't they get the planning permission in now cause even if it ant finsihed for the start of next season the sooner it's in the better
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Post by You want salad on kebab boss? on Mar 28, 2009 18:17:40 GMT
And your point is !?
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Post by abboscfc on Mar 28, 2009 18:31:56 GMT
 thats what we want. |
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Post by You want salad on kebab boss? on Mar 28, 2009 18:33:07 GMT
It does look a lot better I must admit !
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Post by jimisastokie on Mar 28, 2009 18:40:25 GMT
Imagine the atmosphere we could get going if that corner was filled in, it might even get the west stand singing a bit.
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Post by scfc1983 on Mar 28, 2009 18:55:18 GMT
If only it was that easy abbo!!!
Looks good though
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Mar 28, 2009 19:00:57 GMT
I don't know why people are clamouting for the Seddon/South stand corner to be filled in, the Boothen/JS would be so much better. Looking at the picture above shows how good it would look, and block out that terrible wind that comes from the NORTH. Plus moving the scoreboard is a daft idea, it wouldn't be at peak visibility for the main stand, the press boxes, Sky cameras etc.
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Post by lordb on Mar 28, 2009 19:03:57 GMT
ideally fill all the corners in
stick the screen on a corner roof a la White Hart Lane
In fact rip the seats out of The Boothen & make that cheap............
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Post by DodgyDino on Mar 28, 2009 19:07:58 GMT
I think if its was all so simple the club would be doing it. I dont believe the pay back time would be as quick as people think because we havent sold out our entire allocation for every game this season and to make it feasable that would have to happen.
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Post by march4 on Mar 28, 2009 19:17:33 GMT
I agree about filling in the corners. I do think the big screen will always be clearly seen from the Directors Box, so a bit of imagination is needed for its new position.
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Mar 28, 2009 19:18:46 GMT
I think if its was all so simple the club would be doing it. I dont believe the pay back time would be as quick as people think because we havent sold out our entire allocation for every game this season and to make it feasable that would have to happen. All home tickets have sold for every match except for Arsenal.  |
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Post by stokie4life on Mar 28, 2009 19:40:08 GMT
I think eventually we should fill in all the corners but only if we can establish ourselves as a Premier League side and the support remains. I would do it gradually. If we stay I would fill in the Boothen/JS corner.
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Post by tony harrison on Mar 28, 2009 20:37:42 GMT
The corners should be filled in if we stay up.
Increase the attendance, carry out the work whilst we are doing well and earning the money and have the customers for the stadium seats.
Don't we get £3million per month for being in the premier league ?
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Post by Olgrligm on Mar 28, 2009 20:59:33 GMT
I think if its was all so simple the club would be doing it. I dont believe the pay back time would be as quick as people think because we havent sold out our entire allocation for every game this season and to make it feasable that would have to happen. All home tickets have sold for every match except for Arsenal. Man City? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2009 23:28:36 GMT
The corner between the Boothen and the main stand should be done first even if we are to be cautious, We do one corner a premier season at a time. Home fans would want to migrate toward the boothen and its that end the wind comes in from surely ?
so, thats the obvious one to do first
The embankmet at the scoreboard end negates a wind issue anyways - and the scorebaord is already located there anyways.
This is a real simple call , fill the north end in first - with a seated stand following the roof profile of the boothen around to join the side of the main stand (This additon would also maintain the emergency vehicle route through it too
still - a no brainer - If we stay up
and finally
we simply cant have Derby County getting bigger gates than us now can we
- surely ?
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Post by One-Two on Mar 29, 2009 10:57:47 GMT
Imagine the atmosphere we could get going if that corner was filled in, it might even get the west stand singing a bit. Don't be silly  |
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Post by march4 on Mar 29, 2009 11:13:51 GMT
The whole point of the West Stand is that it doesn't sing. Those of us behind the dug outs do give the opposition bench some fearful grief though |
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Post by cantspellwontspell on Mar 29, 2009 15:57:48 GMT
if they made the decision tomorrow i doubt the stand would be ready before the 2010/2011 season IF we stay up, we may as well go the whole hog and fill in BOTH corners. However if Peter Coates wants a different approach. Knock down the club shop (leave Ticket office in place), fill both Corners around the South stand. Fill in the Corner of the JS and Boothen, with the Club shop built into the outside, extending out across where the sky trucks park. If the Corner extensions either side of the JSL were done in a similar style to Middlesbrough's we would get more exec boxes. Club offices and changing rooms could be moved to the new club shop office block, and the players run out in that corner.  |
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Post by stokecityscott on Mar 29, 2009 16:21:54 GMT
RESTRICTED VIEW ALERT if your in that corner at the top by JS
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Post by jbstokie on Mar 29, 2009 16:33:01 GMT
It HAS to be the corner where the score board is surely? To give it a more symmetrical look, would look a lot better. Like a horseshoe shape facing the JS?
I don't understand why people want the Boothen/JS one done, would look completely stupid
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Post by mickstupp on Mar 29, 2009 16:35:17 GMT
Illford Dave is right, the corner would have to follow the same line as the John Smiths stand, the restricted views would come if it followed the boothen end.
Quite right about the club shop, it needs to be bigger, better stocked and more in line with our PL status than the current one.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Mar 29, 2009 17:38:37 GMT
There will be no restricted views if the Main (John Smiths) stand is extended round the corners at its north and south ends. This would give more Exec boxes and/or bars and restaurants (and possibly a media centre) and perfect views. I'd create a new block detached from the stadium for a new shop on the ground floor with club offices above and (as Dave suggests) move the changing rooms and the tunnel to the new corner between the Boothen and the John Smiths.
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Post by cantspellwontspell on Mar 29, 2009 17:41:25 GMT
There will be no restricted views if the Main (John Smiths) stand is extended round the corners at its north and south ends. This would give more Exec boxes and/or bars and restaurants (and possibly a media centre) and perfect views. I'd create a new block detached from the stadium for a new shop on the ground floor with club offices above and (as Dave suggests) move the changing rooms and the tunnel to the new corner between the Boothen and the John Smiths. Hardly a suprise Lakeland, this conversation has been had so many times over the history of the oatcake, here and on rivals . |
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Post by mickstupp on Mar 29, 2009 17:42:54 GMT
Moving the changing rooms would be a big cost with no financial gain, if we build the corners then at least (in the long run) the club would get their money back in larger crowds, corporate hospitality (with the extra boxes), and a bigger and better club shop.
I wish the tunnel and changing rooms were central and it was a huge gaffe by the designers of the stadium to put them in the corner in the first place...........
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Post by stokecityscott on Mar 29, 2009 17:46:05 GMT
i wish the tunnel came from the boothen corner by block 25
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Mar 29, 2009 17:52:25 GMT
But it obviously is a surprise to "Ethers is gonna skin you" judging by his "restricted view alert" post above, Dave.
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Post by cantspellwontspell on Mar 29, 2009 17:53:59 GMT
I wish the tunnel and changing rooms were central and it was a huge gaffe by the designers of the stadium to put them in the corner in the first place........... It wasn't a gaffe it was deliberate. When the stadium was owned by the Stadium Company, Which we were part owners of, we only rented the stadium on matchdays. ie 20 plus days a year. However the club offices and changing rooms were not part of that, Stoke City FC owned them, so they could use the changing rooms as and when they liked. |
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Mar 29, 2009 17:56:38 GMT
Ethers, to come into the block 25 corner, the tunnel would have to go through the middle of Delilahs. They could, I suppose move the changing rooms into what is now Delilahs but I can't see them ever moving the tunnel away from the Main stand - it just wouldn't serve any useful purpose and would have a lot of downsides - most notably a very long walk to the dug outs for the subs and the manager and coaching staff.
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