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Post by magicmanfuller on Mar 25, 2009 16:05:01 GMT
Now hes had a decent run in the side, I dont fink weve seen anything like the standard of performance he produced last year. Earlier in the season he was clearly unfit, but now he is fully fit and I think he is struggling to make an impact on games. For me at the minute the jury is out and I think we could soon see pulis benching liam out and moving delap to the right with ethers on the left
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Post by robchicken on Mar 25, 2009 16:07:34 GMT
i think he is looking more and more like prem quality as he is getting more match fitness
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Post by tazi on Mar 25, 2009 16:08:01 GMT
When he drifts inside right then he has bags of quality. On the outside he's not good enough but has a good engine on him.
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Post by Beloved Monkfish on Mar 25, 2009 16:08:28 GMT
I think he's been pretty good, although he clearly lacks any pace. There was a great piece of work he produced against Boro to set up Beattie who should have scored, and his corners and crossing are excellent.
Yes, I think he is Prem quality.
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Post by Spud on Mar 25, 2009 16:08:52 GMT
His corners are much better than anyone Else, plus that jinking run to set up Beattie was superb.
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Post by grayscfc on Mar 25, 2009 16:10:02 GMT
definatly prem quality.
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Post by colourboy on Mar 25, 2009 16:10:26 GMT
his corners are pure quality.
we have no one else in the team that delivers a corner quite as accurately as him.
he runs himself into the ground chasing folk playing tippy tappy and also does quite a good kung foo impression when charging someone down.
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Post by garyhackett on Mar 25, 2009 16:17:49 GMT
Yes definitely although we havent seen the best of him in the Prem yet as he hasnt been fit, give him another 2-3 games and we will see the Lawrence of last season.
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Post by crimesy on Mar 25, 2009 16:19:58 GMT
Yes, that little run before setting Beattie up with a superb cross proved that surely? His set-peices are a massive threat and he puts in a decent cross as well as playing good through balls (the fuller goal vs villa for e.g.).
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Mar 25, 2009 16:20:45 GMT
Yes he is Prem quality - although personally I think he would be better in centre midfield. I would also dispute as to whether he is yet fully fit. He had an op last summer so never had a full 100% pre season, then he got injured again and he has hardly had huge amounts of time on the pitch since he came back from injury. I reckon we'll see him back to his old self next season. Certainly his run into the box to cross to Beattie on Saturday showed he can still do stuff that no other player in our side can.
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Post by grayscfc on Mar 25, 2009 16:21:47 GMT
Yes, that little run before setting Beattie up with a superb cross proved that surely? His set-peices are a massive threat and he puts in a decent cross as well as playing good through balls (the fuller goal vs villa for e.g.). agreed. that cross & wilko v bolton were both `magic`.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2009 16:23:22 GMT
Whether he’s prem quality is a bit irrelevant at the moment, the question is “who is our best option on the right?”. And that is Liam (after Cresswell )
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Post by wembley4372 on Mar 25, 2009 16:23:25 GMT
He is better than I thought he would be, TP has even curbed his tendency to wander out of position as his defensive work is better.
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Post by roro on Mar 25, 2009 16:25:47 GMT
I may get shot down for saying it, but I am not the biggest fan of Lawrence and have never been to be honest. The reasons of not being his biggest fan is the fact as a wide man he lacks pace & skill, and generally can't beat an egg. Even last season up against a decent full back he struggled at times to get round his man because his limited ability as a winger.
However, I can see why people are fond of Lenny including Pulis. His work rate is second to none, his set pieces/plays when on song are as good as anybodies even at this standard and he also has a keen eye when it comes to goal. He gaves it all when out on the field for this football club and it is clear to see he loves it here, though I don't believe for one second he tripped over his dog!
Overall whilst being critical, I am very happy he is part of our squad and believe he 'can' be good enough for us at present. I thought on Saturday he played well and made a great run to set up Beattie, I only wish he was more positive when it comes to attacking the full back. The real question for me is would I sell him say for 3 million? I will leave that one to TP.
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Post by luds on Mar 25, 2009 16:28:48 GMT
Prem quality or not he's the best right sided midfielder in our squad. As someone mentioned he worked a bit of magic vs Boro to set up Beattie which with the exception of Ethers he is probably the only one who can do so.
He can pick a pass from the centre of the park, go past players, has a decent long shot, a good cross and is good from dead balls. Easily lower to middle Premiership class for me.
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Post by sutekh on Mar 25, 2009 16:31:48 GMT
Yes but not as a right sided midfield player imo. Liam is a central midfielder who could provide that bit of creativity we lack.
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Post by magicmanfuller on Mar 25, 2009 16:37:39 GMT
Yes but not as a right sided midfield player imo. Liam is a central midfielder who could provide that bit of creativity we lack. Not good enough defensively to play centre mid for Pulis
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Post by thepremierbanksy on Mar 25, 2009 16:47:03 GMT
Not so sure about him in central midfield to be honest. Whilst he is a very hard worker, he doesn't win enough ball when he's defending, he more just positions himself well - maybe that would be different if he were not always in wide positions but i'm not convinced he'd be combative enough in the middle.
At the moment he is indeed our best option out wide right. The pros and cons are there - not quick or tricky enough, but has a great work rate, is a good crosser from open play, an excellent one from dead balls and also can play good balls into the strikers' feet, especially to fuller who he has a great understanding of.
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Post by redstriper on Mar 25, 2009 17:06:28 GMT
The best corner taker we've seen at the club since paul "billy" maguire....
yes, I am an old c..t ;D
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Post by Cityfullergoals on Mar 25, 2009 17:14:09 GMT
Not only his run and cross from which Beats should have scored, but also his free kick which found Ryan unmarked and he too should have scored.
If Premiership quality means the ability to create goals, then on Saturday the answer should have been YES and YES
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Post by thepremierbanksy on Mar 25, 2009 17:17:52 GMT
Question: If your name was Tony Pulis and it was june 2009 and you were about to deal with the task of a second premiership season, would you be specifically looking to get an upgrade on liam?
Of course there's a difference between going all out to get a player for a certain position and an opportunity arising - but you wouldn't expect TP to sign a left winger now that we have ethers.
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Post by monkeycat on Mar 25, 2009 17:18:47 GMT
A right winger is, IMO, a priority for us in the summer. Liam is a quality player, but should be playing in the middle
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Post by mickstupp on Mar 25, 2009 17:19:40 GMT
When he drifts inside right then he has bags of quality. On the outside he's not good enough but has a good engine on him. he could be of of use on the right side of a midfiield three, but he doesn`t have the pace needed at this level to play wide right
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Post by spartanstokie on Mar 25, 2009 17:20:32 GMT
he is a poor mans beckham in my opinion
but when real played becks in centre midfield how did he do ???
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Post by XLITTLEMISSSTOKEX on Mar 25, 2009 17:21:45 GMT
i think he is a quality player and yep he sure is good enough for premiership
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Post by roro on Mar 25, 2009 17:22:30 GMT
I would not play him in the Centre for the simple fact he'd be a woeful anchor man.
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Post by tazi on Mar 25, 2009 17:23:14 GMT
When he drifts inside right then he has bags of quality. On the outside he's not good enough but has a good engine on him. he could be of of use on the right side of a midfiield three, but he doesn`t have the pace needed at this level to play wide right That would be his best position.
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Post by dozintheseventees on Mar 25, 2009 17:23:34 GMT
When we talk about 'Premiership Quality' we tend to think of the better players. Watching this season, I think most teams have had at least 50% average players (no better). Liam is no world beater but what are we measuring him against? He did more than enough last season to deserve a little faith and 'the benefit of the doubt'. I think the jury IS out at the moment but he is getting better/fitter with every game and his crosses are better than most. I think he IS Premiership Quality and will go on to prove that if he's given the chance. This season has been tough for him with the 'false start' and so long out with injury. I, for one, would like to see us continue to give him his opportunity to prove he's good enough.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2009 18:18:53 GMT
Definitely good enough, he just needs an injury free run and then a good pre-season.
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Post by jacka118 on Mar 25, 2009 20:15:01 GMT
He has got the quality, he jus needs to get properly match fit...
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