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Post by wembley4372 on Mar 23, 2009 17:02:07 GMT
Who is the referee that has convinced Ric that he can fall over so easily, so often and win all of these free kicks and penalties?
He's a great threat for us, but I feel he would be even more dangerous and useful to the team if he stopped falling over.
You would have thought that spending all this money on performance analysis somebody would have spotted that it doesn't work enough to keep doing it - or which referee it does work with and only do it in those matches.
Does this referee exist?
Did he spend years playing in Europe in a former incarnation?
It must frustrate the hell out of his teammates.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 23, 2009 17:05:36 GMT
Well he was fouled to buggery on Saturday and was let down by the ref imo.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2009 17:06:48 GMT
Pogatetz is a dirty cunt'
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Post by wembley4372 on Mar 23, 2009 17:11:42 GMT
Pogatetz is a dirty cunt' I would have him in our side without a second thought. |
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Post by tazi on Mar 23, 2009 17:12:10 GMT
If he can stay on his feet then no doubt he will do, but when you consider some of those meaty challenges that go in then it's only natural that you're going to hit the deck. It's only through replays 'when it's slowed down' that we can see just how bad most of those challenges are.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2009 17:12:35 GMT
Wembley, ahead of Ryan or Ab?
I think not
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Post by wembley4372 on Mar 23, 2009 17:15:59 GMT
Why - I would move Ab into Salif's Role. He looks more composed on the ball. I'm not sure if he can read the game as well as Salif but it has to be worth trying.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 23, 2009 17:16:40 GMT
I thought Pogatetz was gash and was lucky to stay on the pitch.
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Post by jacka118 on Mar 23, 2009 17:16:40 GMT
Pogatetz was dirty on saturday and fuller was targeted deliberatly.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2009 17:16:59 GMT
I think it would be a big mistake to move Ab from centre back.
Delap or Amdy should be in Sal's role.
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Post by tazi on Mar 23, 2009 17:20:06 GMT
According to the Sun Wheater had the measure of Ricardo.....Yep, of course he did.  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2009 17:20:56 GMT
Wheater wouldn't have the measure of my little sister.
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Post by hoofmagic on Mar 23, 2009 17:35:08 GMT
must be wheaters LOOKS ???
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Post by stoke624 on Mar 23, 2009 19:43:44 GMT
has anyone noticed that since tango man moaned for days about the penalty ric got against dull,the refs have basically given him nowt--even blatant fouls go completely unnoticed on almost every occasion
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Post by whelan_6 on Mar 23, 2009 19:52:54 GMT
on saturday he was fouled a lot but at times his play acting acting has been embarrassing this season. if we play to his strengths like getting the ball down the channels for him to chase i think he will be as important to us in the remaining games as anyone.
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Post by eddy_under_fire'sviews on Mar 24, 2009 3:39:49 GMT
i thought fuller was being battered left right and centre on saturday.
the challenge on him that won us the throw in that we scored from, was a complete disgrace. nearly broke his ankle
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Post by exiledstokie on Mar 24, 2009 9:48:40 GMT
teams target Fuller for 'roughing up' because they know he has a short fuse and is likely to get himself sent off.
It's a big compliment imo when teams try and do this, shows how much of a threat he actually is
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Post by wembley4372 on Mar 24, 2009 10:00:22 GMT
Targeted or not, his play acting is not working in his or the teams favour.
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Post by tampon on Mar 24, 2009 10:42:12 GMT
I wouldn't call it 'play acting', Fuller was constantly getting fouled on Saturday with absolutely no protection from the ref... I'd go as far as saying the referee was itching for a Fuller retaliation to punish.
It's not the first time this season that the referee has been so busy looking out for Stoke's foul play that they have been completely blind-sighted to our oppositions. Fuller got clattered about 4 times before his booking (which in my oppinion was a rediculous decision, Fuller had his back to the defender and tried to shrug him off... the defender had his face about chest height and Fuller's hand accidently caught him in the face/eye. If it wasn't a complete accident it should have been a red card, you can't give a yellow card for something like that, there's no in between).
Stoke have been playing this season with a disadvantage... and that is the way our game's are officiated. Referee's are coming into our game's thinking we're just out to hurt players (thank you Wenger) and they are scrutinizing all of our tackles... even in 50/50's the ref is only bothered about what the players in red and white are doing ("No, all 4 of us match officials didn't see Wright-Phillips' 2 footed lunge and then his kick out like the rest of the 28,000 people in the stadium... we saw the yob in a Stoke top kick the ball at him though, red card for him.").
If we do stay up this season we have done it with one hand tied behind our back... just like if Man Utd win the league they have done it with a helping hand from the officials.
Premier League heirachy... like my arse.
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Post by spartanstokie on Mar 24, 2009 11:05:47 GMT
Pogatetz was so involved in trying show how strong he was that he shoved mamma straight in the chest as soon as mamma walked on then decided to try and wrestle with him which allowed ryan to score
boro defence was totally transfixed in a bully boy tactic ..
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Post by dazscfc on Mar 24, 2009 11:17:47 GMT
Gotta agree that their two shrek-like defenders did bully Ric on Satdee. I feel though, that Ric was trying to win the shoulder to shoulder battle rather than go down and take the foul but then went down easily when it wasn't a foul.
P.S. wembley you've lost all my respect after a laughable comment of separating Ryan and Abdy!
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Post by exiledstokie on Mar 24, 2009 11:27:56 GMT
if you seperate Ryan and Abdy you break up the best cb pairing we've had in years, leave it as it is and get a real defensive midfielder in during the summer, someone proven at this level
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Post by spartanstokie on Mar 24, 2009 11:34:14 GMT
here here exiled totally agree if it ain't broken don't fix it
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Post by wembley4372 on Mar 24, 2009 11:44:31 GMT
Some red and white tinted glasses being worn by some of you I think. Conspiracy rules  A good defensive midfielder is a lot harder and more expensive to find and get than a centre back. We may well already have the player we need in Ab. Perhaps when we are safe TP should try it for the last few games |
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Post by exiledstokie on Mar 24, 2009 11:53:44 GMT
no no no no no!! we cannot split up abdy and ryan, end of story. Maybe for most managers a good defensaive midfielder is hard to find, but are you forgetting who our manager is?!?! He smells defensive midfielders a mile off, and when we stay up we'll be a far more attractive option financially and club wise to players
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Post by wembley4372 on Mar 24, 2009 12:00:47 GMT
Exiled if that is the case, why haven't we being playing them ahead of an unfit salif? Some times you have to try these things - you have to admit he plays as a centre back as if he is a frustrated midfielder! Open your eyes to the possibilites..... |
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Post by exiledstokie on Mar 24, 2009 12:04:26 GMT
sorry Wembley, i didn't mean we have the defensive midfielders upto this standard right now, i meant that in the summer we will have a much higher profile and will be able to attract better players to the club.
I'd much rather have Rory and Whealan in the middle for the rest of the season as Diao is piss poor. Im just saying that with Ryan and Abdy playing so well right now, we can't break the pairing up, even when we are safe, they need to play as many games together as possible to carry on growing as a partnership imo
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