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Post by surreystokie on Mar 22, 2009 19:49:22 GMT
MOTD was a real tear-jerker, last night. They are all starting to love us and realising that we play to our strengths, and with such spirit, because at this stage, TP has no option re the former and the latter is very appealing. Also loved the comment, this morning, that "THESE supporters wouldn't boo THEIR own team" with a nod in the direction of Boro, Villa, all NE clubs and others. Followed by Chris Kamara who couldn't praise us enough. All seem to be running out of adjectives. ;D Then came Sunday Supplement (Sky Sports One, 9.30.) and our being praised beyond belief, with the NOW's football writer, Rob Beasley, ending the prog, yelling, Come on Stoke! We're suddenly popular and I'm loving every minute of it. On an allied matter, N Quinn has stated that, should his great NE club be relegated, the players will be taking a 40% wage cut. Some confidence there then?! Or was it meant to remind them and inspire better performances? Well, it didn't work today.
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Post by RICH68 on Mar 22, 2009 19:53:18 GMT
I liked it more when everyone hated us.
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Post by mark71 on Mar 22, 2009 19:54:09 GMT
On an allied matter, N Quinn has stated that, should his great NE club be relegated, the players will be taking a 40% wage cut. Some confidence there then?! Or was it meant to remind them and inspire better performances? Well, it didn't work today. Totally agree with you Monica. Ref the above quote, Did you see the press reports today saying that Newcastle DON'T have an agreement to reduce players wages if they are relegated. Talk about up the creek.
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Post by Ddraigcoch on Mar 22, 2009 19:59:35 GMT
The gospel according to TP and SCFC is spreading.
Although I thik it is a case of a few pundits finally appreciating the passion and pride that Stoke City FC stands for. The Club and Supporters are one.
Something that is almost a novelty in football today.
Therefore those in the media who have woken up and opened their eyes realise that there is a bandwagon to jump on so they can say late in the day that they always thought STOKE would stay up.
Still ...its nice to hear though ;D
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Post by crimesy on Mar 22, 2009 20:11:33 GMT
I think most of tem are just covering their own arses as most said that we'd do a Derby and come straight back down with nothing to show from the season. Well, we proved them wrong! And now they're all junping on the bandwagon.
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Post by Not_Nick_H on Mar 22, 2009 20:14:21 GMT
There is a definite turn in the tide - although I suspect some of our new found "friends" were doom-mongers at the start of the season . One telling comment from Alan Hansen was his use of the word "Honesty" when describing us. I think there are those who quietly wish for a time when "cheating foreigners" were not tolerated in the game, AH was possibly alluding to Liam Lawrence's WW1 trench trooper-like run during the game - staying on his feet inside the penalty area to get the ball to Beattie as the tackles rained in, instead of going to ground for a penalty.
Add to that TP's stated policy that Stoke players are told to get up after a tackle and fight on instead of play-acting on the floor and it all adds to our "old-fashioned" appeal amongst some of the heroes of yester-year.
Oh and it doesn't matter who's changing their mind now - we have their names, we know what they said about us at the start of the season - we know their numbers, they're on "the list".... BWA-HA! BWA-HA HA HA HA HA!!!.......
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Post by mark71 on Mar 22, 2009 20:20:19 GMT
Spot on NNH, It adds to it when you see Rooney and Ronaldo spitting their dummy's right, left and center yesterday. Also Pulis has come out and made an honest appraisal of all the games and never moaned about players being sent off, the only comment he's said was that he wanted equal treatment from the officials.
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Post by gilberto on Mar 22, 2009 20:20:40 GMT
here's that discussion from sunday supplement that ended in 'gooarrn stoke!' www.skysports.com/video/clips/0,23791,,00.html EDIT: cant directly link to it, but click on 'more shows' then 'sunday supplement' then 'relegation contenders.'
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Post by surreystokie on Mar 22, 2009 20:28:09 GMT
Mark, yes I did read about Newcastle. sadly, ulike in days gone by, that doesn't necessarily mean that they are down s*** creek, as Ashley is continually paying-off debts. Or is he, as hoped, just loaning to them and will eventually want it back? In which case, the lower divisions beckon.
Other comments. Even if some journalists are just covering themselves, against embarrassment, after ludicrous ("another Derby County") pre-season predictions, they don't have to swing the other way, just keep quiet. It's good to see them having their minds changed and not just wriggling. And I'll be putting our case - you bet! - when I meet some of them, next month, at the annual PFA Player of the Season Presentation Evening.
With regard to TP's policy of encouraging the players to get up and get on with it, I hope that Lennie's refusal to go down, when he could have got a penalty, was noted, yesterday. As we have a shocking disciplinary record, despite no reckless leg-breakers brakers in the squad, let's make up for it, with honest but tough endeavour.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2009 20:28:13 GMT
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Post by crimesy on Mar 22, 2009 20:40:40 GMT
First time iv'e seen that Sunday Supplement clip - Absoloutely Brilliant! ;D Says enough about The Sun however that he still thinks we are doomed.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2009 20:41:05 GMT
The only function of a pundit is to know more than we do about football. So, it cocks-up your media career a bit if you patently know Jack shit. And uncannily, all these pundits are suddenly lining up to kiss our arses now that, inconveniently, we might just stay up.
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Post by Soi Cowboy on Mar 22, 2009 20:46:12 GMT
Niall Quinn donated all his testimonial money to kid's hospitals in England and Ireland. Was reportedly around 1million UK. How many would do that? Think of how many pairs of Niall Quinn disco pants that would have bought.
A bit of a rarity in the game is Niall and he's right to cut his player's wages if they fail to do what they are paid to do.
Back to MOTD- just watched in on line. Superb
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Post by RICH68 on Mar 22, 2009 20:49:28 GMT
Niall Quinn donated all his testimonial money to kid's hospitals in England and Ireland. Was reportedly around 1million UK. How many would do that ? Is that true ? If so,top bloke.
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Post by Soi Cowboy on Mar 22, 2009 20:51:02 GMT
Absolutely mate- was a sell out at the Stadium of Light
36,000 -Sunderland v Ireland
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Post by markscfc72 on Mar 22, 2009 20:52:09 GMT
that is awesome, that guy from the News of the world defo likes us
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Post by mark71 on Mar 22, 2009 20:53:57 GMT
Quinn is a top bloke, like said above ref the money to the kids hospital. Didn't he also pay for 100 sunderland fans to get back from Bristol by taxi when their plane was cancelled?
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Post by tony harrison on Mar 22, 2009 21:08:14 GMT
Saw Gary Newbon on last night and somebody called Carl from Leek phoned him to ask about Stoke and even he is now supporting Stoke.
He wasn't at first but says he has changed his mind in the last month. Must be that game at Villa that did it eh !!!
Goarn Stoke !!!
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Post by lordb on Mar 22, 2009 21:09:20 GMT
malvernstokie has called it there
I want to hear well informed opinion - even if I disagree with the conclusions
e.g. Marcotti is superb if often wrong! Monday night club the other week he was very in depth about Stoke - he may have known little before the season about SCFC but he's clearly done his homework since.
meanwhile Lawrenson still fails to tip us to win our home games,
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Post by Onneravineet on Mar 22, 2009 21:20:39 GMT
Soi Cowboy!!??
How have you just watched it online? It's not on the iplayer yet. Do you have a link?
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Post by Soi Cowboy on Mar 22, 2009 21:21:59 GMT
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Post by sirpineapple89 on Mar 22, 2009 21:36:54 GMT
Although I do like the plaudits we appear to be getting, I kind of liked being a bastard. I'm sure some people still hate us.
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Post by surreystokie on Mar 22, 2009 21:37:11 GMT
Soe Cowboy, I must explain that I have nothing against Quinny as a director and publicist, at which he is brilliant, as his heart is in the right place and yes I did know about his testimonial charity largesse. The trouble is that too many now take him at face value, and won't criticise his obvious failings, because of it.
As a chairman, he has done a few things which don't tally with the ever-smiling face.
He "loves the North East" but still won't live there, preferring Ireland, where his horses are paddocked. I prefer a chairman who lives in the area - even if a posh part - and has an understanding of it.
He kept quiet about the new US billionnaire (Elis Short) who bought into the club in the summer, until the Daily Telegraph let the cat out of the bag, three months later. Short has asked for secrecy and nothing up-front, and NQ should feel very uncomfortable with that, but doesn't.
He is a very weak, inexperienced chairman, who appointed a loner manager who had admitted to not having a single Man Utd mobile number on his phone, when he left, and allowed him to live away, (his own example?) and do a part-time job, which was never going to work. He fell for the Big Name rubbish and got few thanks from the traiterous one, when he left.
He recently said that "many in these parts are still grieving for Roy Keane", not only an OTT verb to use but didn't realise how many aren't! If Keano had stayed, that would have been one less relegation place for us to worry about.
He told all of the supporters/media etc that Sunderland had had "dozens of high achievers and top management apply for RK's job" and then appointed Ricky Sbragia, his coach, who didn't even want to manage! Last week he said that if it didn't work - he finally realises that relegation is nearer than Europe - he would bring in someone else. Nothing nasty, just mixed-up and inexperienced.
Sbragia was instantly directed, by owner Short, to get rid of many players, as 50 (yes fifty!) was too many to work with and to pay. RK hadn't given a toss, as it wasn't his money and NQ was too frightened to order him to do it. And so on ....... The man is far from perfect.
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Post by Soi Cowboy on Mar 22, 2009 21:49:51 GMT
Think you're being harsh on Niall, Monica. Was according to Niall himself the Drumaville Consortium's wish to appoint Roy Keane and to be fair was a masterstroke as they were facing relegation from the Coca Cola. Is no secret that he and Keane don't see eye to eye and to knock him as a weak chairman is not right. The DC brought money to Sunderland that wasn't there and he has publically asked Elis Short for more investment - they were heading nowhere fast when he came on board.
As for living in Ireland- can't see the harm in that. Hardly a million miles away. Our manager lives as far away, further travel wise. As a chap who wanted to play in the GAA he's done well for himself and given more back than anyone I can think of.
Don't agree re Roy Keane and relegation. Much as I don't like him he did spend and run but left a team that was in a similar situation to Norwich today when he took over and made them into a decent Prem team who like us at the time were having an awful run. Is no secret where Keane wants to coach and can see it happening when Gordon Strachan calls it a day.
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Post by Onneravineet on Mar 22, 2009 21:54:22 GMT
Soi!! Thanks for that sir you're a gent!
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Post by surreystokie on Mar 23, 2009 10:43:53 GMT
Soi, I'm surpised that you've joined too many media fawners in praising RK for saving Sunderland! A reminder that they were in a relegation position in the CCC, after four, not forty, or even twenty matches! Surely many managers could have done that? Ah, when will the myth end? Promotion from the CCC, with millions to spend and at the time when, as we know, it was not exactly awash with competition (even we could have been promoted). And then kept them up, by two points, with even more swag. Does that mean a knighthood for TP, if we keep SCFC up by three points?! Our manager lives as far away? He lives in Wychwood, near Crewe. You know that NQ does not get on with RK? He pines for him, didn't want to let him go, kept texting him in vain and will have hardly a word said against him. RK served the purpose of Bryan Robson, at Boro. Brought in for his footballing and Internatioanal prowess, he was thus able to captivate and then capture Big Names, with the help of a generous chairman (in Sunderland's case, major shareholders) but then did not know how to coach or deal with them. And he too, lived away, using the chairman's private helicopter, to escape the local environment, er sorry, to go home to his family, daily. As for his (RK) going to Scotland, well he may, but he had better drastically change his loner (family plus dog) lifestyle. He only made it to SOL three days a week and Glasgow is rather further than that. As it stands, with no Sky monies and no Champions League success, he wouldn't have the money to buy, let alone then almost immediately reject, players. Ditto their wages. A 40% wage cut, at Sunderland, if relegated, one can imagine what they must be earning now! As for NQ's publicly asking Elis Short for more investment. You bet he has! Will have to agree to disagree, Soi, but both be delighted that our own football club is working miracles, without Irish or US largesse. Away the lads! Our lads.
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Post by Soi Cowboy on Mar 23, 2009 17:39:33 GMT
Yes TP does have a place in Wychwood , Monica but he was commuting from Bournemouth at one stage you're right. As for RK I really detest the guy Monica but he did what he did in 1 season. Turned them from relegation fodder into a team that gained automatic promotion and NQ realised that having such a big name in charge would raise the club's profile etc. Not rocket science I know but it happened almost overnight.
Monica is common knowledge in Ireland than Quinn and Keane don't see eye to eye at all but yes he was desperate to keep on board. Have been to several FAI dinners and Niall is the most resected man in football but his relationship with Keane and David O'Leary like the rest of the team was always stormy.
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Post by jacka118 on Mar 23, 2009 18:01:00 GMT
Did you notice how Lawro no brains hardly said a word during the analysis of the stoke game
Eating his words haha
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Post by cantspellwontspell on Mar 23, 2009 20:32:23 GMT
[quote author=notnickh board=Potters thread=70360 post=906183 time=1237752861
Add to that TP's stated policy that Stoke players are told to get up after a tackle and fight on instead of play-acting on the floor and it all adds to our "old-fashioned" appeal amongst some of the heroes of yester-year.
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i take it that Fuller is excused from this by Pulis, as he is from most things
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Post by Soi Cowboy on Mar 23, 2009 20:36:14 GMT
Was a bit worried when Fuller did his dying swan on Saturday as another ref may have punished him. Would have been harsh though as the booking was ludicrous.
We saw v Villa how getting up instead of rolling around trying to get folk booked benefits and glad we play like we do.
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