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Post by dozintheseventees on Mar 24, 2009 8:56:18 GMT
Steve Bruce (to a point)
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Post by Hiram on Mar 24, 2009 8:57:10 GMT
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Post by hamburgpotter on Mar 24, 2009 11:06:20 GMT
Doz, I,ll accept Sir Alf but nearly all the good managers that were EX players were either midfielders or forwards,seems to be somat in there make up that makes ex defenders shit managers dont you think ?
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Post by dozintheseventees on Mar 24, 2009 11:10:07 GMT
Yer right mate. There are not many defenders that have gone on to be TOP managers. I suspect the story would be completely different in Italy but in England there aint been too many. Stange!!!!
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Post by dozintheseventees on Mar 24, 2009 11:11:10 GMT
Whoops: Just remembered Jack Charlton.
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Post by Ghostface on Mar 24, 2009 11:17:19 GMT
Gareth Southgate and Tony Adams?? Seriously though, looking forward to the film! I read the book in less than 24 hours, it was impossible to put down.
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Post by dozintheseventees on Mar 24, 2009 11:20:50 GMT
Ghostface:
Yep OK mate. Keep looking!
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Post by JoeinOz on Mar 24, 2009 11:25:19 GMT
Alf was a right back.
Sometimes it can help if a manager wasn't a great player. It must rankle with someone like Graeme Souness who won lots and played with great desire to handle multi millionaires who don't give a toss. Also the unsuccessful ones can perhaps have more patience with players who lack their technical ability.
Of the 1966 WC winners only Jack Charlton was a successful manager.
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Post by dozintheseventees on Mar 24, 2009 11:39:14 GMT
Had a feeling he was a full back Jo. I made the point earlier that some of the best managers either didn't play football at all or played at a pretty low level. I think that people often fail to understand that the first priority of a football manager is to be able to MANAGE both finances and people. The fact that a bloke was a great footballer will have little bearing on his abiltiy as a manager. Obviously it helps to have a football background and an understanding of tactics etc but many a manager has proved that motivational skills can far outweight either of those qualities.
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Post by hamburgpotter on Mar 24, 2009 11:43:07 GMT
Jo, and all Jack Charlton did was win Boro promotion, so I wouldnt class that has succesful,a bit the same as Southgate,Bruce,Pearce etc they never won owt did they. So the question for the day is who was the last Goalie or defender to win a major trophy as a manager in England ?
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Post by dozintheseventees on Mar 24, 2009 11:48:35 GMT
Hamburg:
Jack was a fantastic manager for Sheffield wednesday and Ireland. His achievements with Ireland simply cannot be overstated. he was a superb man-manager.
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Post by stokienorthants on Mar 24, 2009 11:54:36 GMT
I remember Cloughie bringing Derby to the Victoria ground in the 70's we thumped them 4-0 with Alan Hinton missing a pen for them at which point the Boothen started singing 'Cloughie Cloughie shut your mouth'.
Great times and IMO a great man wonderfully portrayed by Michael Sheen.
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Post by JoeinOz on Mar 24, 2009 12:12:19 GMT
Well since 1996 the only English mangers to win major trophies are McClaren and Arry.
In 1994 Racist Roan won the League Cup and he was a wing half...whatever the phuq that was!
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