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Post by evhstokie on Mar 14, 2009 21:25:13 GMT
I am sick of reading on here about TP's poor selection of players he picks. We only see them for 90 min's a week, Tone works with them all week. If they cannot produce 100% on the training ground then why should they be in the starting line up? Oh and if all managers were perfect every team would be at the top of the premier league. He is learning and always will be like any manager. I think he is doing a great job and i know he is just as passionate as us stokies. Leave him alone and get behind him and the lads that he picks.
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Post by lordeffinghamhunt on Mar 14, 2009 21:27:16 GMT
So then you rate Salif, Cresswell and big Mama above the likes of Etherington and Fuller?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 14, 2009 21:31:54 GMT
The training ground isn't where it counts though! I do love the old training ground arguement! And he's shown he screws up with the team selection at most away games! All in all its an honest assesment of our away outings.
And he is doing a great job I just wish he'd learn from the other away games-that's all I ask.
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Post by growler on Mar 14, 2009 21:32:25 GMT
Why? the defend at all costs and lump it up to Mama has worked a treat in away games so far this year.
The saying a leopard never changes his spots was surely invented for TP.
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Post by evhstokie on Mar 14, 2009 21:35:39 GMT
He works with the team all week lardyhunt and that must count for his lineup. If you don't show it on the training ground then why should you be picked ?
Enough said.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 14, 2009 21:37:34 GMT
But if You don't show it on the pitch like Diao and Mama, You don't deserve to start! Enough said!  |
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Post by Gunslinger on Mar 14, 2009 21:38:00 GMT
The match isn't won on the training ground. As I have said before: TPs problem is that he's too determined to avoid defeat than to snatch a win. Hence the teamselection and tactics!
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Post by evhstokie on Mar 14, 2009 21:39:27 GMT
why has Dave Kitson gone then Lordy? His heart was never in it so Tone got rid for our sake and the player that just hadn't got it, top decision Tone.
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Post by boothenboy75 on Mar 14, 2009 21:39:59 GMT
If you'd of shown me the league table as it stands now back in August, I'd of been more than happy. However, I believe we have the players to be in a higher position than we are. I think the standard of football in the Prem is not as good as the papers would have you beleive. With the players we have (including the fantastic signings Tp brought in i.e BT, Ethers, Ab Faye), we are not out of our depth at this level. This makes our away tactics all the more frustrating. Our constant sitting back in 2 banks of 4, not playing our best players, continually playing players clearly out of their depth, not kicking in until the game is lost. Every away game is the same.
TP has earned his crack at the big time for getting us there, and although his transfers have been hit and miss he deserves credit for some of the quality players we now have. If we go down though it will be purely down to his own piss poor management away from home, something thats been painfully clear since our first game. He seems no closer to sorting it out now than he did in August and it is for this reason some feel he deserves criticism.
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Post by Irish Stokie on Mar 14, 2009 21:40:01 GMT
I dont criticise TP and think he has done a fantastic job for us but at times his selection away have been very unusual. I am willing to say that Ethers was short fo match fitness of that Ricci still isnt 100% fit but i would like us to go for it at least once away from home a la 2nd half at Villa and today
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Post by MrMagic on Mar 14, 2009 21:41:46 GMT
I am sick of reading on here about TP's poor selection of players he picks. We only see them for 90 min's a week, Tone works with them all week. If they cannot produce 100% on the training ground then why should they be in the starting line up? Oh and if all managers were perfect every team would be at the top of the premier league. He is learning and always will be like any manager. I think he is doing a great job and i know he is just as passionate as us stokies. Leave him alone and get behind him and the lads that he picks. Yeh thats right. Someone holds a revolver to his head and makes him throw the first half of every away game. FFS How hard is it to see what the fucking problem is here? |
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Post by evhstokie on Mar 14, 2009 21:45:04 GMT
were all on a learning curve here in the prem including the management. It's totally different than the old division one. I f we stay up which i believe we will then i think lessons will have been learnt and we will slowly progress.
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Post by MrMagic on Mar 14, 2009 21:47:17 GMT
were all on a learning curve here in the prem including the management. It's totally different than the old division one. I f we stay up which i believe we will then i think lessons will have been learnt and we will slowly progress. I'm sorry mate but it has been obvious for ages what the problem is away. How long are you willing to give Tony to realise what most supporters knew in October? |
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Post by evhstokie on Mar 14, 2009 21:56:42 GMT
[quote author=mrmagic board=Potters thread=69208 post=887234 time=1237066906
Yeh thats right. Someone holds a revolver to his head and makes him throw the first half of every away game.
FFS
How hard is it to see what the fucking problem is here?[/quote]
Hold on a sec ! It's our first season in the prem against multi million pound player's that have played in the top flight for a few year's. Come on wake up we are a Junior team in this league FFS. We will progress but it will be slow.
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Post by MrMagic on Mar 15, 2009 9:17:29 GMT
I'm fine with slow progress - but what we have is a tactic that does not work that we keep hammering away at. By the time Pulis realises it's not working (keeping it tight) we are one or two goals behind and have a mountain to climb.
I'm with you. It's a learning curve and we are new, but lets not make life harder for ourselves than they need to be. Everton did not beat us yesterday because they are tons better. They beat us because we never attempted to win until the second half.
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Post by Pugsley on Mar 15, 2009 9:20:35 GMT
If you'd of shown me the league table as it stands now back in August, I'd of been more than happy. However, I believe we have the players to be in a higher position than we are. I think the standard of football in the Prem is not as good as the papers would have you beleive. With the players we have (including the fantastic signings Tp brought in i.e BT, Ethers, Ab Faye), we are not out of our depth at this level. This makes our away tactics all the more frustrating. Our constant sitting back in 2 banks of 4, not playing our best players, continually playing players clearly out of their depth, not kicking in until the game is lost. Every away game is the same. TP has earned his crack at the big time for getting us there, and although his transfers have been hit and miss he deserves credit for some of the quality players we now have. If we go down though it will be purely down to his own piss poor management away from home, something thats been painfully clear since our first game. He seems no closer to sorting it out now than he did in August and it is for this reason some feel he deserves criticism. All of the above is 100% spot on. |
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Post by Akinbadbuy on Mar 15, 2009 9:33:46 GMT
Too many times this season we have not got out of the starting blocks until we are 2 goals down and chasing the game.
The blame for this lies with the manager and solely the manager.
Everyone keeps banging on about this being the best league in the world. Well outside the top 4 I have seen alot of very average sides this year. Sides that we are more than capable of matching and beating on alot of occasions.
Everton are a top 6 side. I thought they were very average for long spells yesterday. We could have got something out of this game but blew any chance we had by gifting them 2 goals.
I have respect for what Pulis has achieved but I feel that away from home we are tactically naive. I dont expect us to play teams off the park but I do expect us to at least give ourselves half a chance of winning the game.
The way we setup just invites teams onto us and we ultimately end up getting punished. Only when we are losing do we actually start to attack and play some decent stuff.
We can do it but the players seem stifled and at times scared to go forward. This is completely Pulis fault.
If we stay up it is an area we seriously need to address for next year.
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Post by Mr Rottweiler on Mar 15, 2009 10:06:46 GMT
were all on a learning curve here in the prem including the management. It's totally different than the old division one. I f we stay up which i believe we will then i think lessons will have been learnt and we will slowly progress. NEWSFLASH - we haven't got enough games left for him to "learn". Time's a wasting. |
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Post by tony harrison on Mar 15, 2009 11:24:43 GMT
Team selection and tactics are down to the manager.
When we do well, he gets praised for it.
When we don't do well then he has to be man enough to take the flak.
We need to win our home games and by as many goals as possible and try to pick up at least one away win to have a chance.
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Post by kingdeano on Mar 15, 2009 11:28:05 GMT
why has Dave Kitson gone then Lordy? His heart was never in it so Tone got rid for our sake and the player that just hadn't got it, top decision Tone. i thought he left because he wasnt happy at playing as a link man! i think kitson thought he was brought in as the man to score goals not sit behind a striker and watch cresswell try give him service!! |
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