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Post by The Torch on Mar 12, 2009 17:17:41 GMT
just to clear a few things up regarding the "5.5m" transfer have been reliably (spelling) informed by someone in the know that the transfer was for 2.2 or 2.5m the rest of the 5.5 mill was based on appearances and scfc remaining in the prem
surely the appearance money has cost us fluff all, and the staying in the prem bit wont apply cause he isnt here, reading have paid us a considerable amount (000 at the end anyway) for him till the end of the season, and undoubtbly will want to re-sign him
so all in all i dont think we have really lost out, except we could have spent the original money on someone who gives a fuck
time to go resident evil 5 arrived this morning
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Post by Gods on Mar 12, 2009 17:23:24 GMT
Kitson would still be "here" if he's only out on loan and we stay in the prem wouldn't he?
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Post by Tubes on Mar 12, 2009 17:23:41 GMT
I would assume as part of the loan deal to Reading that we will receive a large sum if they are promoted, plus I'm sure they would then be keen to resign him on a permanent basis. All in all, I can't imagine we will have lost anywhere near the amounts people on here are talking about.
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Post by workyoursocksoff on Mar 12, 2009 17:32:29 GMT
And what do they say about assumtion being the brother of all fuck up's?
;D
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Post by big bea on Mar 12, 2009 17:52:52 GMT
from official site, from what it says there. the 5.5 was up front.
18th July 2008
Dave Kitson - £5,500,000 from Reading
where as for other transfers it states the add ons.
Ibrahima Sonko - £2,000,000 from Reading (fee could rise to £2,250,000
Tom Soares - £1,250,000 from Crystal Palace (fee could rise to £2,000,000)
so maybe we did pay it up front?
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Post by sweetandinnocent on Mar 12, 2009 17:55:56 GMT
wonderf what the odds are of shitson scoring 10 for reading before the season is out?
its just one of them things, look at beattie at everton now look at him here, he's a different player. i still hate the fucker though ;D
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Post by stokesaint1 on Mar 12, 2009 18:05:10 GMT
I hope Kitson does score 10 for Reading before the season is out and I wish him well there. Didn't do it for the Mighty Potters but if we can recoup the cost( or most of it) , we move on and hopefully learn for the future.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 12, 2009 18:06:27 GMT
We paid 2 million quid for Sonks  |
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Post by sweetandinnocent on Mar 12, 2009 18:15:39 GMT
is it shitsons fault he didnt fit in here with our set-up?
in my book it has to go down as a bad signing on behalf off TP, even if we all agreed it was a good signing at the time.
Its a good job Beattie has worked out as a brilliant signing otherwise the pressure on TP would be huge and a lot of people would be pointing the finger.
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Post by jezzascfc on Mar 12, 2009 18:17:30 GMT
It is so difficult to work your way through the minefield that is the reporting of transfer fees in football today. If it is not "undisclosed", it is reliant on add-ons for appearances, goals, staying/going up, international caps etc. or paid in instalments over several years.
Most sensible judges of Kitson's transfer at the time reckon we paid closer to 3mill up front, so 2.5mill sounds about right. He has proven far too expensive even at that price!
If we get 1.5/2 mill back from Reading, I'd be happy enough. I'd expect any return transfer fee to be "undisclosed", so Tone saves face with regard to his transfer cock-up of buying the bugger in the first place.
Which brings me to my next point. Why all the vitriol aimed at Kitson? He was the wrong player signed by the wrong club at the wrong time. It was Pulis who bought him, who agreed to pay Reading top dollar for him, who thought he would fit into our team. It was Pulis who got it badly wrong, saved, albeit belatedly, by the inspired signing of James Beattie.
He has had as many, if not more, misses than hits in the transfer market since our promotion, but thankfully the hits - Sorensen, Adby Faye, Higginbotham, Etherington, Beattie (and Amdy Faye?) - have been such massive successes, on the whole, that they have outweighed the monumental failures - Kitson, Olofinjana, Sonko, Soares, Tonge and Davies - and played central roles in our still being in with a great chance of survival in our first season back in the big time.
Let's hope Tone spends his kitty a bit more wisely this coming summer.
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Post by Soi Cowboy on Mar 12, 2009 18:22:00 GMT
I think there's no doubt he'll score a few in the Championship and the RAFs and Bayerns will never let us hear the end of it. Proves NOTHING
How many did Cresswell get in that division again???
Might be a good thing if he does and then we can unload him. Would Reading pay big money if they stay down??? I doubt it very much
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 12, 2009 18:24:27 GMT
He will score in the Championship and he will score in the Premier League, his record at Reading proves that, what's Your point?
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Post by sweetandinnocent on Mar 12, 2009 18:30:53 GMT
I think there's no doubt he'll score a few in the Championship and the RAFs and Bayerns will never let us hear the end of it. Proves NOTHING How many did Cresswell get in that division again??? Might be a good thing if he does and then we can unload him. Would Reading pay big money if they stay down??? I doubt it very much agreed, lets hope he fires them into the prem, becauselike you say, we will get top dllar for him then. i think that reading are creating the chances but are just not putting them away atm lets hope shitson will save the day |
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Post by robwahlmann on Mar 12, 2009 19:06:20 GMT
Sonko is not a bad defender Bayern! He had a nightmare of a game versus Blackburn, but apart from that hasn't done too badly! A very good match away to Villa in my opinion too, defensively at least! ;D
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 12, 2009 19:14:49 GMT
I don't rate him and never have done. He just looks slow and clumsy to me.
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Post by Mickstoke on Mar 12, 2009 19:16:29 GMT
kitson fits well in a team that plays football and not hoofball!
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Post by lordeffinghamhunt on Mar 12, 2009 19:21:30 GMT
He's tripe. He was in a side that got religated. He came to us for a quick buck. End of
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Post by FullerMagic on Mar 13, 2009 18:56:12 GMT
Acres has just said he understands that we'll end up with "close to £5m" if he goes back to Reading in the summer.
With 6-figure loan fees and the precise figures on the initial deal as clear as mud, God knows the precise numbers, but it doesn't sound like we'll come out of it too badly at all, assuming these kind of figures are based on some kind of reality.
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Post by 4thMarch1972 on Mar 13, 2009 19:11:19 GMT
For what its worth I've always felt he is a good footballer + will score a hatful of goals wherever he ends up, BUT having heard his comments today it is clear he was never going to score at SCFC as his heart was never at the club. I'm sure that TP spends a lot of time researching potential new players; what a shame Kitson didn't do the same with Stoke as he could have saved us a lot of time and money when he realised we were not based in Berkshire, do not play in blue + white hoops and are not called Reading!
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Post by whelan_6 on Mar 13, 2009 19:11:23 GMT
sonko had a very good game at villa, must have been a different game to the one i was at.
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Post by LDE76 on Mar 13, 2009 19:30:35 GMT
For what its worth I've always felt he is a good footballer + will score a hatful of goals wherever he ends up, BUT having heard his comments today it is clear he was never going to score at SCFC as his heart was never at the club. I'm sure that TP spends a lot of time researching potential new players; what a shame Kitson didn't do the same with Stoke as he could have saved us a lot of time and money when he realised we were not based in Berkshire, do not play in blue + white hoops and are not called Reading! Pretty much agree with that. This move, if it does end up becoming permanent, is the best possible outcome for all concerned. The local media were suggesting that we'd recoup much of our outlay, so we can draw a line under this whole, rather forgettable episode if and when that happens. He's tripe. He was in a side that got religated. He came to us for a quick buck. End of James Beattie was once in a side that was ultimately relegated. Does that mean he's wank? Oh, sorry, I forgot; you thought he was a shit signing as well, didn't you? |
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Post by Beardy200 on Mar 14, 2009 0:54:43 GMT
And Doyle and Hunt were in the same side aswell and i'd take them tomorrow if offered. I totally agree with you that he's not been up to it for us but this argument that if an individual gets relegated in a team sport it automatically means he's shit is just daft.
The opposite comparison would be how players like Phil Neville and Dirk Kuyt seem to have a drawer full of medals .... are they automatically world class? I think not.
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Post by kidsgrove4 on Mar 14, 2009 1:25:48 GMT
Torch.......
it's still millions. it's like buying a successful racehorse and it breaks a leg. we do still have the vet certificate for him, yes.
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Post by Beardy200 on Mar 14, 2009 1:36:13 GMT
Seem to remember someone saying on here that Steve Coppell told him personally it was 4 or 4.5 mill up front.
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Post by Thank you from Moorlander1 on Mar 14, 2009 6:58:27 GMT
just to clear a few things up regarding the "5.5m" transfer have been reliably (spelling) informed by someone in the know that the transfer was for 2.2 or 2.5m the rest of the 5.5 mill was based on appearances and scfc remaining in the prem surely the appearance money has cost us fluff all, and the staying in the prem bit wont apply cause he isnt here, reading have paid us a considerable amount (000 at the end anyway) for him till the end of the season, and undoubtbly will want to re-sign him so all in all i dont think we have really lost out, except we could have spent the original money on someone who gives a fuck time to go resident evil 5 arrived this morning Stokie,What an utter load of bollocks,who paid you for that thread?. |
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Post by Menorca Stokie on Mar 14, 2009 12:08:14 GMT
just to clear a few things up regarding the "5.5m" transfer have been reliably (spelling) informed by someone in the know that the transfer was for 2.2 or 2.5m the rest of the 5.5 mill was based on appearances and scfc remaining in the prem surely the appearance money has cost us fluff all, and the staying in the prem bit wont apply cause he isnt here, reading have paid us a considerable amount (000 at the end anyway) for him till the end of the season, and undoubtbly will want to re-sign him so all in all i dont think we have really lost out, except we could have spent the original money on someone who gives a fuck time to go resident evil 5 arrived this morning Stokie,What an utter load of bollocks,who paid you for that thread?. My houghts as well. What an absolute load of tosh. |
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Post by Janet in ST5 on Mar 14, 2009 17:25:32 GMT
Just played 90 mins and not found the net, so John Acres said!
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Post by stokie01 on Mar 14, 2009 18:16:11 GMT
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