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Post by tazi on Mar 11, 2009 18:58:17 GMT
Was thinking the other night just how many regular players that pick themselves really.
Sorrenson
Wilko
Shawcross
A.D Faye
Higgi
Delap
Beattie
Fuller
Mama
Surely good enough to stay up?.............And coupled with the likes of Whelan, Lawrence, Etherington and Amdy Faye we have a pretty decent team. Never actually thought just how many good players that we have until i actually sat down and thought about it in how many players actually pick themselves.
Having said that COME ON Fulham.
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Post by ManderBeast on Mar 11, 2009 19:15:03 GMT
wilko?! Oh please...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2009 19:16:15 GMT
Wilko is fully worth his place at the minute. He's been excellent in the last 4-5 games. |
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Post by MrMagic on Mar 11, 2009 19:16:24 GMT
i'd disagree about Mama as well. He was pants against Bolton, so how he picks himself I'm not sure.
You missed Cresswell out
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 11, 2009 19:16:56 GMT
Yeah, You know the best right back at the club and the one who has played consistantly well in about the last 10 games!
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Post by ManderBeast on Mar 11, 2009 19:25:56 GMT
id rather have Davies at right back than Wilko....
Wilko is rash & cant distribute a ball for all the Craig in David.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2009 19:26:27 GMT
id rather have Davies at right back than Wilko.... Wilko is rash & cant distribute a ball for all the Craig in David. Have you seen any of the last 5 or so games? |
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Post by ManderBeast on Mar 11, 2009 19:33:57 GMT
yes i have....
i was also there when we played Reading reserves in the league cup, where he got that bad i jokingly cheered EVERY single misplaced pass...
after the game, on reflection he didnt complete a single pass ALL game...
i'm sorry, but Wilko is shit... the majority of our goals conceeded seem to come from his mistakes, whether direct or a knock on effect..
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Post by StatesideStokie on Mar 11, 2009 19:34:52 GMT
Wilko has IMO been by far our most improved player over the past couple of months and is developing into a very good Premiership full back. His distribution could be better but what he lacks in finesse he certainly more than makes up for in work rate and commitment. He has been superb against some world class opposition, and has started to offer more of a threat going forward as his confidence has grown. He is Stoke through and through and I think it is fantastic to see a local lad doing the business and loving every minute of it. I'm not saying he should be picked because of the fact he is a Stoke lad, but it is certainly a massive bonus to have that kind of commitment and passion in the team, and I find it hard to believe anyone would criticise his recent performances. His place in the team is absolutely justified, and I think it would take one hell of a player to shift him right now.
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Post by stonestokie! on Mar 11, 2009 19:36:55 GMT
yes i have.... i was also there when we played Reading reserves in the league cup, where he got that bad i jokingly cheered EVERY single misplaced pass... after the game, on reflection he didnt complete a single pass ALL game... i'm sorry, but Wilko is shit... the majority of our goals conceeded seem to come from his mistakes, whether direct or a knock on effect.. i can't believe what your saying ??? |
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Post by ManderBeast on Mar 11, 2009 19:38:11 GMT
yes i have.... i was also there when we played Reading reserves in the league cup, where he got that bad i jokingly cheered EVERY single misplaced pass... after the game, on reflection he didnt complete a single pass ALL game... i'm sorry, but Wilko is shit... the majority of our goals conceeded seem to come from his mistakes, whether direct or a knock on effect.. i can't believe what your saying ??? its a matter of opinion mate. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2009 19:42:29 GMT
Do you not agree he's been playing well recently though? The last bad game I can remember him having was Spurs away. I thought he was man of the match against Pompey, Villa and very good against Bolton.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 11, 2009 19:42:51 GMT
id rather have Davies at right back than Wilko.... Wilko is rash & cant distribute a ball for all the Craig in David. Davies the centre back who whenever he's played has looked off the pace and a bit shite? Yes he hasn't had full fitness but I'd rather see Kelly, Griff and Delap at right back over Davies if I'm being honest! |
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Post by ManderBeast on Mar 11, 2009 19:47:23 GMT
well Kelly ive not seen play yet...
so he could be a top player.
I just feel he gets picked out as the weak link in the defence... for people to say he's the most improved is rediculous when you have Shawcross going from strength to strength, week to week...
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Post by redditchpotter on Mar 11, 2009 19:47:44 GMT
Considering he can't pass,how has he managed to lay a couple of goals on lately
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 11, 2009 19:51:00 GMT
well Kelly ive not seen play yet... so he could be a top player. I just feel he gets picked out as the weak link in the defence... for people to say he's the most improved is rediculous when you have Shawcross going from strength to strength, week to week... Both have improved significantly, Shawcross more so I agree but Wilko to me looks like a comfortable Premier League full back. His passing is improving unlike a certain left back at the club too! |
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Post by Done it for scfcbuxton on Mar 11, 2009 19:53:22 GMT
Not many RB's will keep Ashley Young as quiet as he was when he played us. Wilko had him in his pocket all game
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 11, 2009 19:55:52 GMT
He had Ronaldo in his pocket and through his good defending, Ronaldo should have walked but we all know how that ended  |
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Post by ManderBeast on Mar 11, 2009 19:56:09 GMT
well Kelly ive not seen play yet... so he could be a top player. I just feel he gets picked out as the weak link in the defence... for people to say he's the most improved is rediculous when you have Shawcross going from strength to strength, week to week... Both have improved significantly, Shawcross more so I agree but Wilko to me looks like a comfortable Premier League full back. His passing is improving unlike a certain left back at the club too! one word i wouldnt use to describe Wilkinson is comfortable unfortunately.. he's about as comfortable as a 12 year old at a Gary Glitter come back gig with complimentary tickets.... |
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Post by jezzascfc on Mar 11, 2009 19:58:26 GMT
Wilko is a solid defender, Stoke through and through to boot, and, yes, he has got much better of late, but I am still not sure he is of the necessary quality long-term. Maybe Tone has some doubts too, so brought Kelly in to look at him.
We need ball-playing full-backs as so much play these days goes through them - if you have hoofers like Wilko and Danny, it is hard to build play from the back, which we must try to do a bit more if we are to progress.
Back to the original post - I'd say our guaranteed, if fully match fit they play players are only, at present:
Sorensen
Abdoulaye Faye
Ryan Shawcross
Danny Higginbotham
Rory Delap
Salif Diao (even if only Tone agrees)
Matty Etherington
James Beattie
I'd personally add Ricardo, but Tone seems to still be persevering with the twin battering rams (BT and Mama) with Fuller as supersub, even though I don't think the two big lads work well together or offer enough variety.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 11, 2009 19:59:58 GMT
I think he's looked very comfortable since the Spurs game. He's been getting forward too. Solid defensively and improving his passing and his forward game all the time. That alone has impressed me, as I didn't think he would improve his passing but in the last few games we've seen that improvement. Higgi on the otherhand still hoofs it at it every opportunity and is a bigger concern for me regarding it.
Think is Jezza, Kelly has come in and done bugger all and Wilko gets picked ahead of him. The lad hasn't been hoofing it half has much since Lawrence came on the wing and they have looked dangerous together down the right.
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Post by ManderBeast on Mar 11, 2009 20:00:44 GMT
Wilko is a solid defender, Stoke through and through to boot, and, yes, he has got much better of late, but I am still not sure he is of the necessary quality long-term. Maybe Tone has some doubts too, so brought Kelly in to look at him. We need ball-playing full-backs as so much play these days goes through them - if you have hoofers like Wilko and Danny, it is hard to build play from the back, which we must try to do a bit more if we are to progress. yes jez, i agree. |
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Post by jbstokie on Mar 11, 2009 20:05:50 GMT
I would say Delap is fifth choice midfielder behind Lil' Faye, Whelan, Ethers and about level with Lawrence actually (at the mo)
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Post by RAF on Mar 11, 2009 20:05:59 GMT
No you don't. You've just said he is shit and to blame for most of the goals scored against us, and that isn't what Jezza is saying.
You are either on a windup or have not watched the last 10 games.
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Post by ManderBeast on Mar 11, 2009 20:14:45 GMT
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