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Post by ManderBeast on Mar 6, 2009 13:07:03 GMT
I think with his latest astute substitutions TP has now realised that we dont have to be winning for 90 minutes i order to get something from a game..
perhaps, containing the opposition for 60 mins then bringing on Fuller for more attacking prowess..
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Post by craig1974 on Mar 6, 2009 13:09:21 GMT
Why did i just quote myself . . ??? duh lol
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Post by pez75 on Mar 6, 2009 13:10:01 GMT
How do you know he is one of our best 11 to start? Would you drop mama before fuller at the minute? Fuller imo looks more switched on and gets the job done when he comes on as a sub.Just my opinion fella but its the manager who decides at the end of the day. Errr, probably because I have seen him play quite a few times? I'd drop Mama like a brick - he is shit & showed everyone that on wednesday. He gets the job done when he comes on as sub because he is a quality player. If ManU bought Ronaldo on from the bench every game, would they hail Fergie as a genius. No, they would say he is a thick twat and he should play him from the start. Just my opinion fella.
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Post by grayscfc on Mar 6, 2009 13:12:07 GMT
does that mean i`m now whispering???
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Post by Beardy200 on Mar 6, 2009 13:12:17 GMT
drop beattie???????? are you insane????? IF FORCED i said - Read it fellas. Our strikers quality in order for me are: Fuller Beattie Camara Sidibe Kitson Cresswell Ideally i want to see the pair of them playing "together" as much as possible.
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Post by broadwayroundabout on Mar 6, 2009 13:12:47 GMT
Mama shit ??? how can you say that, he's had his best season so far at Stoke, probably more efeective in the prem than the championship.
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Post by Beardy200 on Mar 6, 2009 13:13:43 GMT
Why did i just quote myself . . ??? duh lol Ooooh Ooooh .... i know. Because you're an ________! Insert your own word
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Post by broadwayroundabout on Mar 6, 2009 13:14:51 GMT
does that mean i`m now whispering??? can you speak up, did'nt quite catch that..
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Post by PONTAFCE on Mar 6, 2009 13:15:07 GMT
How do you know he is one of our best 11 to start? Would you drop mama before fuller at the minute? Fuller imo looks more switched on and gets the job done when he comes on as a sub.Just my opinion fella but its the manager who decides at the end of the day. Errr, probably because I have seen him play quite a few times? I'd drop Mama like a brick - he is shit & showed everyone that on wednesday. He gets the job done when he comes on as sub because he is a quality player. If ManU bought Ronaldo on from the bench every game, would they hail Fergie as a genius. No, they would say he is a thick twat and he should play him from the start. Just my opinion fella. Oh here we go mama should be dropped for a bad performance ay? Look at who has been our key player upfront for the start of the season until he got injured.Im not saying fuller isnt a quality player he can prove that and has.
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Post by Beardy200 on Mar 6, 2009 13:15:14 GMT
does that mean i`m now whispering??? You what?
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Post by pez75 on Mar 6, 2009 13:22:22 GMT
I think with his latest astute substitutions TP has now realised that we dont have to be winning for 90 minutes i order to get something from a game.. perhaps, containing the opposition for 60 mins then bringing on Fuller for more attacking prowess.. I cant believe what I read on here sometimes. The subs against Villa were made because as the genius himself admits - he fucked up. We were losing FFS! As for wednesday, TP realised that two of the players he chose to start were garbage. Is that good tactics? The other was injured. Don't give credit where it is not due...
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Post by pez75 on Mar 6, 2009 13:28:45 GMT
Errr, probably because I have seen him play quite a few times? I'd drop Mama like a brick - he is shit & showed everyone that on wednesday. He gets the job done when he comes on as sub because he is a quality player. If ManU bought Ronaldo on from the bench every game, would they hail Fergie as a genius. No, they would say he is a thick twat and he should play him from the start. Just my opinion fella. Oh here we go mama should be dropped for a bad performance ay? Look at who has been our key player upfront for the start of the season until he got injured.Im not saying fuller isnt a quality player he can prove that and has. Whoa there - this is not a knee-jerk reaction. I have openly stated that Mama is shit pretty much from the day he signed. I have seen nothing more than the odd good game in 10 to make me change my mind.
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Post by lordb on Mar 6, 2009 13:33:45 GMT
when Fuller is fit,motivated & on form (which usually follows on from the 1st two) he should start games
when he is more intrested in mardarsing about then he shouldnt
right now I'm not convinced he's 100% fit but he DOES look keen to show what he can do which is great to see as its been a while.
Everton away is a couple of weeks so should be fitter by then. Mama hasnt looked himself since his injury so maybe he would be better off being on the bench for that one.
If Fuller isnt right in TP's eyes then he has Camara to play.
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Post by ManderBeast on Mar 6, 2009 13:34:54 GMT
I think with his latest astute substitutions TP has now realised that we dont have to be winning for 90 minutes i order to get something from a game.. perhaps, containing the opposition for 60 mins then bringing on Fuller for more attacking prowess.. I cant believe what I read on here sometimes. The subs against Villa were made because as the genius himself admits - he fucked up. We were losing FFS! As for wednesday, TP realised that two of the players he chose to start were garbage. Is that good tactics? The other was injured. Don't give credit where it is not due... erm... i'll give credit where i feel its due mate... TP made a mistake, held his hand up & readjusted... we got a point out of Villa from 2-0 down.. hello?! & Beating Bolton who won 3 out of their last 4 with fuller coming off the bench to score.. Well Done. *Claps.
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Post by grayscfc on Mar 6, 2009 14:12:38 GMT
can anyone hear me? CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW?
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Post by broadwayroundabout on Mar 6, 2009 14:37:28 GMT
city ? city ? yes just about, KEEP SHOUTING MATE
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Post by grayscfc on Mar 6, 2009 14:55:45 GMT
RIGHT-O, LET`S ALL SHOUT THEN. WHY WHY WHY DELILAH.
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Post by craig1974 on Mar 6, 2009 15:12:16 GMT
If u keep this shouting up, u might just wake up the hole of Australia. I SAY IF YOU KEEP THIS SHOUTING UP, YOU MIGHT JUST WAKE UP oh never mind.
We ArE StOkE, wE aRe StOkE, We ArE StOkE
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Post by pez75 on Mar 6, 2009 15:18:03 GMT
I cant believe what I read on here sometimes. The subs against Villa were made because as the genius himself admits - he fucked up. We were losing FFS! As for wednesday, TP realised that two of the players he chose to start were garbage. Is that good tactics? The other was injured. Don't give credit where it is not due... erm... i'll give credit where i feel its due mate... TP made a mistake, held his hand up & readjusted... we got a point out of Villa from 2-0 down.. hello?! & Beating Bolton who won 3 out of their last 4 with fuller coming off the bench to score.. Well Done. *Claps. I think you are missing my point. You call them astute substitutions, but I call them necessary ones after starting with the wrong side in the first place. "we got a point out of Villa from 2-0 down.. hello?!" If we had started with Fuller & Whelan would we have been 2-0 down? Hello?! "& Beating Bolton who won 3 out of their last 4 with fuller coming off the bench to score.." We got the right result but Fuller should not have been on the bench (unless there was a fitness issue that we were not aware of - which I doubt.) - Mama did the square root of fuck all for 60 minutes. Newcastle away was the same - Fuller came off the bench and made a huge impact that turned the game. That does not justify him being sub - quite the opposite, it suggests he should be on from the start as he is one of our best players.
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Post by TheWiseMaster on Mar 6, 2009 16:46:06 GMT
The real point here is that Fuller can't play, week in week out for a full 90 minutes
Pulis knows this and try's to coax the best out of Fuller
I suspect that he will ask Fuller how long he wants to play and then take it from there
If Fuller plays the full 90 minutes, then more often than not he will potter about waiting for the right through ball where he can use his pace unlike beatie who will chase for the whole game
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Post by eddy_under_fire'sviews on Mar 6, 2009 18:41:37 GMT
The real point here is that Fuller can't play, week in week out for a full 90 minutes Pulis knows this and try's to coax the best out of Fuller I suspect that he will ask Fuller how long he wants to play and then take it from there If Fuller plays the full 90 minutes, then more often than not he will potter about waiting for the right through ball where he can use his pace unlike beatie who will chase for the whole game agreed... i don't think theres many stoke fans who wouldn't. SO.... why not start fuller and beattie at home, then start Mama/Beattie away, bringing fuller on after an hour or so? that way we're pushing the boat out a little more at home, which lets face it, is where we're going to stay up
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Post by lancer on Mar 6, 2009 19:53:57 GMT
A half fit Fuller coming on a sub is a bloody great weapon to have. He's defininitely a 'supere'r 'sub than a good many other super subs I've seen. But obviously, a fully fit Riccy has to be a starter.
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Post by Beardy200 on Mar 6, 2009 19:56:20 GMT
Why not get him to run his ass of for an hour and then take him off though? He'll be playing longer with BT then and that's a dangrous prospect for ANY defence to me. Then we're more likely to be able to defend a lead later instead of more likely chasing.
I'd be happier if it was Camara but the drop from Fuller to Sidibe is too big to me. I'd rather use Sidibe as a late option if we're chasing
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Post by FullerMagic on Mar 13, 2009 12:02:33 GMT
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Post by TheWiseMaster on Mar 13, 2009 12:10:34 GMT
If you were certain that Fuller would give his all then he should start - otherwise sub
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Post by Norfolkstokie in manchester on Mar 13, 2009 12:14:22 GMT
Has to start IMO. Can understand if he's not fully fit but if he is than he plays. Stupid leaving our best player on the bench.
Seeing him and Liam celebrating against Bolton reminded me of last season and how well they link up. They both play better when in the same team.
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Post by FullerMagic on Mar 13, 2009 12:22:49 GMT
I think there's a danger in overcomplicating things and tying yourself up in knots, in trying to go in conservative and "keeping things tight".
It should be a simple case of picking your best players and that means we should have Beattie, Fuller, Etherington and Lawrence on at all times when they are fit.
We saw in the 2nd halves at Newcastle and Villa that we can actually hurt teams when we don't set ourselves up as a punchbag with the primary, almost total mindset of stopping the opposition.
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Post by grayscfc on Mar 13, 2009 12:24:23 GMT
pulis knows whether ric can go the full 90 & if he can then get him in but if not, well lets face it, we`ve got a fairly tasty bench with camara & mama. the one thing this proves is how far we`ve come since we HAD to play pericard. for me - if fit- it`s ric & beatts to start.
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Post by th05 on Mar 13, 2009 12:26:45 GMT
I expect him to be a sub tomorrow, but maybe long term him and Beats should be the partnership.
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Post by TheWiseMaster on Mar 13, 2009 12:28:28 GMT
But we are not talking about fitness
It's whether Fuller - who knows he wont last the game, is going to go for it from the off - thats what TP has to decide
Ethers should start though he probably wont
We have a full squad now so no excuse for Pulis not to use plan B. Plan A has hardly been a roaring success!
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