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Post by gordonmarshall on Feb 15, 2009 19:43:39 GMT
My son is doing a school project and has choosen the 1984 Stoke City FA Youth Cup team and the run to the final.It is a research project based on a event that happened before they were born.He is working on it during the half term, having searched for articles on the internet we have not found much.
Can anyone suggest any sites or links or better still anyone who went to any of the games recall there memories on this thread.Looking for info on the full run,players used and maybe where are they now.Managed to do some work on the Semi and Final against Arsenal and Everton.
Thanks in advance.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2009 19:53:47 GMT
Stoke's path to the final
Chester away 2-1 ( parkin and Jones )
Walsall home 3-0 ( O'Neill Sutton 2 )
Luton home 3-2 ( Chapman Shaw 2 )
Chelsea away 2-1 ( Parkin 2 )
Semi Arsenal home 3-2 Jones , Mountford 2 )
Semi Aresenal away 3-0 ( Parkin , Hemming , Chapman )
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Post by gordonmarshall on Feb 15, 2009 19:59:18 GMT
Cheers scouse,
Any idea what happened to some of the squad members?
Noticed you mentioned Jones as a goalscorer but is that Roger Johns?.Only working from my own memory at the moment and i recall a player called Roger Johns.
Also for some reason i think Jon Chapman was related to Lee,yet again could be wrong.
Did you go any of the games?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2009 20:15:10 GMT
went the semis and the final home and away - large number of Stoke went the goodison game
Coach fare to arsenal was £5 ...went by service train personally
Arsenal was the 3rd time we'd reached the youth cup semi
54/5 Bill asprey ( !st team manager in 83/4 )captained the team against WBA - a rare win for them:
60/1 we lost in a 2 legged semi to everton
from progs I've got Chelsea and the semis and final
Jon chapman..brother off Lee
Yes sorry Roger Johns from stafford ( winger )
Chelsea game Tuesday 21st Feb 84
Arsenal ( home ) monday 26 March 84
Arsenal (away ) Tuesday 3 April 84
Everton Away Thursday 26th April
Everton home 2nd leg Tuesday 8 May
Home prog for the arsenal game has a team picture on the front , priced 10p
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Post by gordonmarshall on Feb 15, 2009 20:23:54 GMT
Thanks again Scouse,all help gratefully recieved.Actually working on getting comminication through to Tony Lacey for assistance.When i lived at home with my parents we used to live nextdoor to his mother-in-law.Would see him quite abit in the mid-eighties.When he took over first team duties though he never visited her,probably had other things on his mind.
Last i heard he was working with Wolves's academy.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2009 20:31:31 GMT
without doubt it was Lacey's team. and much of the credit down to him...says as much in the progs
not sure if you've got hold of any of the progs , if not I could type out the 'pen pictures' of the squad..perhaps tomorrow
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Post by gordonmarshall on Feb 15, 2009 20:43:33 GMT
That would be brillant if you could type out the pen pictures scouse,will post any info i get from Tony Lacey.Also hoping to see Carl Beeston at the Portsmouth game,see him most home games.
Thanks again scouse.
No rush on the pen pics mate,he is off school all week so plenty of time.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2009 20:44:46 GMT
no probs..I'll sort it tomorrow
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Post by craig1974 on Feb 15, 2009 20:49:41 GMT
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Post by gordonmarshall on Feb 15, 2009 20:56:03 GMT
Used to have that programme Craig,sold my collection to Ken Marek years ago.Wish i had not now  |
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Post by craig1974 on Feb 15, 2009 20:58:44 GMT
why do that ?? i've got two big boxes full in my bedroom . .
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Post by peterhampton on Feb 15, 2009 21:42:29 GMT
Stenny
Interesting contrast between the number of victorious Stoke players who "made it" (not many) and the number of defeated Arsenal players who went on to great things (quite a few).
Two interesting Stoke facts (from memory)
1. Chris Hemming made it as a pro and was the first pro footballer (I think) to play with a heart pacemaker. An elegant player but not very aggressive. Pretty sure he played some Div 1 games for Stoke (ie. what is now the Prem)
2. Sutton (who played upfront with Jon Chapman) was a very talented player - who turned down Mick Mills' offer of professional terms because he wanted to stay working at the tax office in Leek! Think he played for Leek Town for years, could have played to a higher standard.
Before some stato jumps on me for getting my facts wrong, both the above are purely from recollection - but I think both points are fundamentally right.
Hope your lad enjoys his project!
PH
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2009 16:37:10 GMT
'Pen pics' from the home final prog - will do them in several posts to break up the typing - apologies in advance for any typos - positions in brackets provided from the semi final prog - obviously some stand out, but hopefully with the names a few local Stokies might be able to fill in a bit of background info
Richard Dawson ( goalkeeper )
an ideally built goalkeeper - he stands 6ft 2in tall.born in Sheffield and joined Stoke last July.He has impressed the coaching staff with his improvement over the season.Handles the ball well and uses his height to dominate the area.Age 17
Terry Williams ( right Back )
local boy in his first season since signing on as an apprentice in june last year.Has made good progress to claim a regular place in the central league .A full back in the modern mould, he likes to join the attack and can also play in midfield. Age 17
Chris Hemming.( left back )
Another stoke lad , he is a tall stylish player who also enjoys linking up with the attack from left back.He has the knack of getting on the score sheet and is credited with an 'A' team hat-trick this season.He joined stoke last July and established himself in the Reserves before making his first two League appearances against Spurs and Villa in March.Age 18
AAron Callaghan ( centre back )
A 6ft tall central defender who came from Ireland to join Stoke's apprentice ranks in February 1983.Strong in the air and comfortable on the ball , he is a regular in the Reserves and has been on the fringe of the Eire Youth squad.Age 17
Neil Howells (centre back )
Forms a solid partnership with Callaghan in the middle of defence.He's 5ft 11in tall - a good defender and strong in the air.Joined Stoke as an apprentice in September 1982 and developed well in the Central League side before being upgraded to full professional status in January this year.age 18
(additionally from semi prog - from the North east ,reads the game well and has continual experience in the reserves)
more later....
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2009 17:00:15 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2009 17:22:32 GMT
Steve Parkin ( midfield ) The first of the current Youth team to breakthrough into the first division , he made his senior debut against Nottingham Forest in march 1983.also played in the final league match of last term and registered a third appearance at Watford in January this year.Signed as an apprentice in July 1982 and won four England Youth caps in a tournement in Cannes last Easter.The worksop born midfield player moved up to full professional last november.Scored two goals in the FA quater final at Chelsea.age 18 Parkins profile on the league manager association site www.leaguemanagers.com/manager/profile-400.htmlKen O'Neil (midfield ) Another southern Irishman who is in his first season at Stoke,having signed as an apprentice in September1983.an aggresive competitor with skill on the ball , he has already played Reserve team football |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2009 17:49:40 GMT
Grahame Shaw ( winger )
Local boy in his first season as an apprentice .He was signed in June 1983 and has made good progress as a winger.Capable of scoring goals as he proved by netting twice in an earlier round against Luton .Made his central League debut in March this year.Age 16
from semi prog - very creative on the ball , shows great potential
Roger Johns ( Winger )
Comes from Stafford and is in his second season with Stoke.A quick powerful winger who likes to move inside for a crack on goal.He did that very succesfully with two goals in the first leg of the semi final against Arsenal.He played regularly in the Reserves. Age 18
from semi prog...loves to get into the box to score goals
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Post by gordonmarshall on Feb 16, 2009 18:14:28 GMT
Thanks again scouse, the info you have given is really helping to make his project more complete.
We had a email today from Jennifer Rice from WWFC saying our request for contact with Tony Lacey had been passed onto the Academy manager and hopefully he will reply this week.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2009 19:43:17 GMT
Jon Chapman
Another local boy , he has the pedigree to be a goalscorer , for his elder brother,Lee was an England U21 international with Stoke before joining Arsenal for £500,000.Jon has been a professional since last July and his stready scoring record took him into the Reserve side in the last couple of months.Age 18 ( Centre forward )
From semi prog - developed good partnership with Sutton
David Sutton ( Centre forward )
Rivals Chapman and Johns as the top scorer at Youth level.He is also a local lad , in his first ( year sic ) at the Victoria Ground since signing as an apprentice in June 1983.A flair player who can turn a game , he has made a number of appearances in the Central League.Age 17
Carl Beeston Full back , midfield )
A full back or midfield player who joined stoke in July 1983.Most of his football has been in the 'A' tea, but he shows promise as a player with composure on the ball.Played in the Youth cup in the 3-2 win against Luton.Age 16
Stephen Hunt ( Fullback - midfield )
Like Beeston , he is a local player who plays at full back or in midfield.Signed as an apprentice in June 1983.Age 17
Simon Ward ( Midfield )
A local schoolboy signing , he is a strong, creative midfield player, who is capable of scoring goals.Shows promise for the future.Age 16
Neil Mountford ( winger )
A natural winger of skill and pace.Can also score goals.In his second season with city.He was signed from Foley Boys club and in fact still plays for them on Sundays.Neil recently forced himself into our Youth team and scored an all important goal in the first semi-final game against Arsenal
Richard Harrison ( Goalkeeper )
Our second strong keeper is only 15 years of age and still attends Blythe Bridge High school.He has good agility , safe hands and has played regularly in our B team this season
Prog says officials from the FA at the final - Ted Croker ( General Sec ) and Yourh committee members Messrs R Berridge , A Brett , T Myatt and chairman Mr H Padgett who will present the Cup and the tankards
Extra time was to be played , then a replay on a ground to be mutually agreed , the game was Everton 3rd appearance in the final
ref in prog was g m tyson ( sunderland ) linesman a w smith ( Birmingham ) ( red flag) and J N Kerfoot ( bolton ) yellow flag
Hope this helps a bit..good luck to your lad
PS I'll put the front of the progs I've got , the final ( home and Away ) and the Arsenal home and away semi together with the and Chelsea one ( Chelsea is just a team card ) on tomorrow...when I can take a photo of them without using flash to cut out glare...
Stoke encyclopedia should prove useful for those that progressed to the first team careers , including place and date of birth DOB etc
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2009 20:54:07 GMT
Match report of the final 2nd leg ( from the wolves prog )
Dissapointing Cup final Result
Our finishing so deadly on the path to our first ever FA Youth cup final , deserted us as Everton won the trophy in a high quality second leg at the Victoria ground.
We were delighted that the Potteries turned out in force and stayed to salute the runners-up as tearfully received their runners-up tankards.We had the changes but the goalkeeping of Stephen Hall was superb.
We hit some great shots, but everything seemed to hit their keeper.At least the fans saw a Stoke team to be proud of and I'm confident we shall have a good side again next season.
We have to follow Everton's example and comeback to win the trophy at the second attempt
Jonathan Chapman must still be wondering how his close range shot four minutes after the break came back off the bar during our all-out attacking spell when Everton were relieved to survive.
Then Roger Johns who had struck two oppertunist goals in the semi against arsenal hit two easier chances wide.
Everton's disciplined defence held out defiently before taking the lead with a shot out the blue after65 minutes , Darren Huges striking a 30 yard drive that dipped over Dawson into the roof of the net.
Everton's England U18 keeper Hall touched over a shot by Callaghan in superb style 10 minutes from time
Newcomer Rob Wakenshaw cooly slotted a shot past Dawson.
Winger Neil Mountford was impressive but just unable to finish.Stoke moved up a gear after the break to increase the pressure.
Afine header by Chapman hit Hall who remained in unbeatable form to frustrate Stoke.David Sutton's quick pass on the turn was neutralised by some tight marking with two bookings resulting from challenges on the lightly built striker.
Callaghan positioned himself well to head clear after rimmer had round Dawson , before Hughes struck the first blow to stoke's hopes and Everton having been under pressure gained in confidence
Grahame Shaw took over from Johns 12 minutes from time with Stoke losing their early domination.
Hall had the last word as he hurled himself to keep out a drive from skipper Steve Parkin whose determined example will make him a name in the not too far future along with several of his team mates.
Stoke: Dawson , Williams , Hemming , Callaghan , Howells , Parkin , Mountford, O'Neil , Chapman , Sutton , Johns , Sub Shaw
Dawson played in contact lenses , losing one in the final at everton
Will type up a report for the game at Everton...and any others I find tomorrow
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Post by jezzascfc on Feb 16, 2009 21:41:28 GMT
Jon Chapman is now married with two kids and living in Jersey. He still turns out for Jersey Wanderers (or did a couple of years ago), and I played with him and against him during my time there. He was still good with his head and notched a fair few a season.
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Post by lordb on Feb 17, 2009 10:29:03 GMT
that Arsenal side was packed with players who won titles,England caps e.t.c
Stokes side should have acheived more unfortunately the club handled the whole thing terribly - panic after Barkers POMO + full on cheapskateness.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2009 16:48:37 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2009 19:58:28 GMT
[bYouth Cup Final 1st] Leg [/b]
Everton 2 Stoke City 2
After scares and fitness tests on Mountford , Shaw , O'Neil and a little show of tiredness by Callaghan in the morning training ( which was quickly put right ) and the loss of one contact lens by Dawson our goalkeeper , we finally took the road to Everton and the first leg of the final.
Everton got off to a fine start when Rimmer's cross from a half cleared corner found the dangerous Wakenshaw , who duly scored.It was wakenshaw again the 18th minute who burst through to fire a shot , but was denied by Dawson.Rimer, however following up quickly drove the lose ball home.
To their credit stoke after this disastrous start clawed their way back into the the game with sutton looking dangerous and prompted by O'Neil and Parkin in midfield.
The second half saw the visitors emerging as the stronger side.Hemming going close with two fine efforts.
Their increasing pressure finally told with Howells scoring with a superb header from Mountford's free-kick.
Shortly after stoke were on level terms when a Wiliam's cross was headed down by Chapman and Sutton squeezed his shot past the diving Hall.
The final 15 minutes saw the game see-saw with continual goalmouth incidents to bring the match to a tremedous climax , and set the stage for another thrilling contest on 8th May at the Victoria Ground.
The young lads had been a credit to Stoke City and everyone connected with the club .They had played some fine attacking football , showing pace and skill , but had also shown passion, commitment and strength of character to come back were lesser teams would have folded.
This spirit was depicted by Ken O'Neil who refused to come off at half time and again 20 minutes from the end when he was struggling to run and the sub was ready to go on! This is what winners are made of!
I and the lads would like to thank the fantastic support we received at Everton - it meant a lot to us !
We hope to see all you City fans at the Final to get behind the lads.They are a tremendous little side , whose team spirit , singlemindedness is second to none and they will make you 'Proud to be a Potter'
Tony Lacey
Admission to the final at stoke cost £2 seats £1 standing
Attendance
Everton 9,398
Stoke 13,875
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2009 19:58:57 GMT
Chelsea ( Away )
The high came with our tremendous result in the quarter finals game at Chelsea.Against a very strong home side which had not lost a game since September , we won 2-1.The result was gained through grit and determination , organisation and good defending.We got off to a fine start with a penalty after 10 minutes which Callaghan blasted over the bar!.
Chelsea pressured us very hard , but found our defence with the back four magnificent , hard to pierce.
Just before half-time a free kick was gained on the edge of the box and Parkin scored.
After the interval Chelsea again pressed , but our quick breaks continually threatened and we had opportunities to increase the lead.
The home side were unfortunate with one effort which hit the bar , but again with 5 minutes remaining Parkin broke to score a magnificent goal.However, straight from the kick-off Chelsea made it 2-1 and Stoke were left to defend heroically as the minutes ticked by to give them a memorable victory.
It had not been a classic , but a very hard physical contest , which will have aged them and myself a few years and done their confidence a lot of good
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Post by gordonmarshall on Feb 17, 2009 20:09:57 GMT
Blimey scouse with all this info you are posting he should get a A+ for his project.Really enjoy reading what you have posted as it brings back memories for me as i was only 14 at the time and remember bits and peices.We are still hoping Tony Lacey will get in touch with us,the girl at Wolves asked us to send a list of questions and hopefully he will reply.
Once again thanks for all your help.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2009 20:33:42 GMT
Arsenal ( away semi 2nd leg ) by Tony lacey in the Liverpool home programme
Stoke took a slender one goal lead to Highbury for the 2nd leg of the Youth Cup semi final , having won 3-2 at home in an action packed game.
As expected Arsenal started at a tremendous pace, and Dawson was called upon to make a fine save in the first minute.However with Howells and Callaghan looking confident in the middle of the defence there was a solid look about the visitors.
Stoke continually threatened on the break , and Hemming went very close with one effort.Gradually the strength and competitveness of Parkin and O'Neil in midfield gave stoke the edge , and after 30 minutes Parkin was brought down just outside the box.The resultant free kick saw the Stoke skipper score with a fine shot into the top corner to give the visitors the lead.
Following the interval , Stoke made it 2-0 with Hemming scoring from a corne.Arsenal found dawson in unbeatable form saving brilliantly when called upon.He was backed by a well organised defence.
Stoke were prepared to throw men foreward at every opportunity with Sutton , Chapman Mountford and Johns always threatening.It was no surprise when Stoke looking the stronger side now increased their lead when Chapman chipped the keeper from outside the box to give stoke an emphatic 3-0 win , a 6-2 aggregate victory , and a piece in the club's history , being the first side ever to reach the FA Youth Cup Final.
The atmoshere in the dressing room was something that will always be remembered and treasured.the Arsenal Vice Chairman kindly sent two bottles of champagne to the dressing room which were duly drained by one and all connected with the club.
The trip back also became a memory , stopping for fish and chips ( as always ) , but this time washed down with pop and further champagne.In such a mood and a great bunch of lads a sing -song was inevitable , with every player and member of staff showing their showbiz potential on the mike! From the serious 'soul singer ' of Roger Johns , the international flavour of Neil Howells singing Bladen races ( the worst version I've ever witnessed ) a couple of Irish comediens , Ken and Aaron giving us some unknown 'top of the pops' and probably the longest 'joke teller ' in the guiness book of records - Billy Parkin.
Standards were lifted to new and dizzy heights by myself and staff , the climax being top of the bill,Director Geoff Manning with his 'unforgettable ' version of an 'Irish Ditty' which when released will easily be found in any junk shop.
It was a great and memorable night and will live with us allThanks to all the supporters who travelled to watch and to those at the home game who got behind us after the interval when we needed most . We were 2-1 down but not out
We hope to complete the job against Everton in the final.If hard work through the season counts for anything we wont dissapoint .I hope you will get behind us again and give the lads another lasting memory and bring the FA Youth Cup to the stoke City for the first time in the club's history .
The dates to remember are 26th April away at Everton and home on 8th May KO 7.30 pm
Have to have a rest now..and give others a rest too !!
enjoyed digging all this out TBH and will via google etc place a little of the clubs history and the young teams efforts on the internet for the wider audiance , so no bad thing - any excuse to spread the name of stoke City
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