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Post by spitthedog on Feb 8, 2009 0:07:42 GMT
10 starts for Cresswell 0 goals 0 assists 8 losses, 2 draws
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 8, 2009 0:09:55 GMT
It got beyond a joke when he started against Chelsea at home imo! ;D
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Post by stokesyboy01 on Feb 8, 2009 0:13:01 GMT
Not a Cresswell hater nor like the guy much.
However he does give 100% in all games, give the bloke credit
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Post by Smudge_SCFC on Feb 8, 2009 0:16:00 GMT
What I simply can't understand is what TP genuinely feels this continual inclusion to his team is bringing us?
How can Kitson be so casually dismissed from our plans and yet a player whose only attribute seems to be that he "runs around a lot" is an almost pernament fixture? I just cannot understand it.
Can Kitson seriously be bringing less to the table than RC?
Playing Championship quality players in the Premier League is a recipe for disaster and I'm afraid Cressie's stats are backing this up. No Premier goals, no assists, no great defensive moments, just nothing, other than run of the mill stuff you'd expect from ANY professional footballer.
You cannot continually play Championship standard players in the Premier League and not get punished. I certainly don;t blame Cresswell for any single defeat this season but it's almost as though we're going into these matches with ten men before a ball has even been kicked.
I have no bad feelings towards Richard Cresswell. It is the manager who is at fault.
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Post by march4 on Feb 8, 2009 0:19:18 GMT
I value the contribution that Cressers has made over the last couple of years, but I am struggling to see why he is still playing.
The starting line up today just knocked the stuffing out of me before kick off. The full back selections and Cresswell. I couldn't understand it one bit.
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Post by One-Two on Feb 8, 2009 0:20:47 GMT
Change the record. There are enough anti-Cresswell threads on here already
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Post by liamscfc on Feb 8, 2009 0:22:52 GMT
Aint a big fan of creswell but do think alot of fans do go over the top when slagging him off and really pissed me off against man city when a few blokes behind me was booing him when he came on at half time.
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Post by ChesterStokie on Feb 8, 2009 0:24:15 GMT
It was fairly embarrassing last season but to be fair it could possibly be justified in that:
1. we didn't have that many alternatives
2. he chipped in with a very decent share of vital goals
3. it was Championship level
NONE of those justifications apply this time around.
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Post by Davef on Feb 8, 2009 0:25:37 GMT
On Radio Stoke yesterday, Pulis apparently said something along the lines of fans not knowing what Cresswell brings the team.
Instead of patronising people who've watched enough football to spot a decent player, perhaps our manager would go a little further and actually tell us what, in his opinion, he brings the team?
My guess is that it's little more than what John Acres told my mate who rang Praise and Grumble tonight. "He gives 110%."
On that basis then, and bearing in mind that in terms of quality, Cresswell brings absolutely nothing to the team, are we to assume that the likes of Lawrence, Tonge, Olofinjana, Griffin, Pugh, Wilkinson, Cort and Kitson have been dropped either permanently or occasionally from the team because they "don't give 110%"?
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Post by bostedclog on Feb 8, 2009 0:27:04 GMT
Change the record. There are enough anti-Cresswell threads on here already And there will continue to be until our pig headed manager listens and realises he just aint good enough .
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 8, 2009 0:27:06 GMT
On Radio Stoke yesterday, Pulis apparently said something along the lines of fans not knowing what Cresswell brings the team.Instead of patronising people who've watched enough football to spot a decent player, perhaps our manager would go a little further and actually tell us what, in his opinion, he brings the team? My guess is that it's little more than John Acres told my mate who rang Praise and Grumble tonight. "He gives 110%." On that basis then, and bearing in mind that in terms of quality, Cresswell brings absolutely nothing to the team, are we to assume that the likes of Lawrence, Tonge, Olofinjana, Griffin, Pugh, Wilkinson, Cort and Kitson are dropped from the team because they "don't give 110%"? Did he really?
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Post by ChesterStokie on Feb 8, 2009 0:29:18 GMT
Change the record. There are enough anti-Cresswell threads on here already As far as I am concerned this is an anti-Pulis thread not an anti-Cresswell thread. Cresswell strikes me as an honest trier. It's Pulis that picks him.
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Post by march4 on Feb 8, 2009 0:32:21 GMT
If (and it is a big if) those other players have been dropped for not giving 110% they should be ashamed of themselves. I give 110% in my job and I don't get any of the rewards of professional footballers.
However, it still doesn't excuse Cressers selection, when there are other options. I think the plan today was to bring Lawrence on for the last 30 mins. The injuries put paid to this idea, but with the game at 0-0 and Stoke doing well up until then, it could just have worked.
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Post by Smudge_SCFC on Feb 8, 2009 0:34:23 GMT
If (and it is a big if) those other players have been dropped for not giving 110% they should be ashamed of themselves. I give 110% in my job and I don't get any of the rewards of professional footballers. However, it still doesn't excuse Cressers selection, when there are other options. I think the plan today was to bring Lawrence on for the last 30 mins. The injuries put paid to this idea, but with the game at 0-0 and Stoke doing well up until then, it could just have worked. But why the last 30 minutes? We seem to do this a lot mate... wait until a game is beyond us before fielding the team that we should have actually started with. Newcastle, Blackburn, Tottenham, today. It's becoming a pattern and it's really beginning to get me down. It all just feels so utterly hopeless away from home.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Feb 8, 2009 0:37:55 GMT
But why the last 30 minutes? We seem to do this a lot mate... Because Pulis is absolutely determined that he's going to prove to everybody that it CAN work.
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Post by dwr17477 on Feb 8, 2009 0:40:56 GMT
And we know what will happen next. We will lose at home when we expect to win and will still play Cresswell away from home when what we need is some quality and ambition to win away from home. As I have said on another thread, no away win, no Premier league next season - fact.
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Post by Smudge_SCFC on Feb 8, 2009 0:42:49 GMT
But why the last 30 minutes? We seem to do this a lot mate... Because Pulis is absolutely determined that he's going to prove to everybody that it CAN work. Oh, I have no doubt about this Paul. When Cressers does finally score the manager will be straight onto the radio to shout it out loudly, probably in an unmistakeable "I told you so" fashion. The fact of the matter is though that the law of averages dictates he WILL get one eventually, even if it hits him on the backside and goes in. The problem is all of the points lost as a result of not playing our strongest team until that happens. One goal (against Cheltenham) in 26 appearances this season and not one single assist. This is just frightening.
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Post by skip on Feb 8, 2009 0:43:32 GMT
But why the last 30 minutes? We seem to do this a lot mate... Because Pulis is absolutely determined that he's going to prove to everybody that it CAN work. so from that we can deduce that he either has a psychotic streak, he's obsessive compulsive or somewhere on the autistic spectrum. Or, to be more diplomatic, like a dog with a bone. A big stinky gnarled and chipped bone. But it's his and he ain't letting go.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Feb 8, 2009 0:47:42 GMT
I think if we'd taken a battering at Chelsea, then things might now be different, but Pulis came so close to achieving HIS holy grail of keeping it tight and nicking a win that afternoon, that now he just can't let go.
Hull came away from Stamford Bridge today with a point by taking the game to Chelsea, and by all accounts created enough chances to win the game.
IMHO we have better individual players than Hull.
Unfortunately now that Etherington is out, it seems inevitable that it will be more of the same.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 8, 2009 0:49:47 GMT
Because Pulis is absolutely determined that he's going to prove to everybody that it CAN work. Oh, I have no doubt about this Paul. When Cressers does finally score the manager will be straight onto the radio to shout it out loudly, probably in an unmistakeable "I told you so" fashion. The fact of the matter is though that the law of averages dictates he WILL get one eventually, even if it hits him on the backside and goes in. The problem is all of the points lost as a result of not playing our strongest team until that happens. One goal (against Cheltenham) in 26 appearances this season and not one single assist. This is just frightening. It's very frightening but not surprising to most I think!
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Post by powchirper on Feb 8, 2009 0:54:36 GMT
TP knows exactly whaty the fans think through one media or another and will stick to his gun re Cresswell, It was the same with Hoefkens and Gally.
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Post by march4 on Feb 8, 2009 0:58:12 GMT
When I said that I thought the plan was to bring Lawrence on for the last 30 mins, I wasn't approving the idea, just airing my thoughts on TP's likely approach.
I would have played Lawrence from the start today. He has to get match fit somehow.
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Post by spitthedog on Feb 8, 2009 1:12:05 GMT
Firstly, let me say my frustration is aimed solely at the manager, it is not the player's fault that he is chosen
Secondly, the only argument i have heard in the defence of the player's attributes, are that he gives 100%....well why the hell are the other alternatives not able to give 100%, or why can't the management get the other player's to give 100%??? so he runs around alot, but it is not as though he has got pace, alot of the time he is unable to close opposition players down because he can't keep up with them,surely it would make sense to play someone who could run around alot faster?
for me this a very expensive blind spot.
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Post by JoeinOz on Feb 8, 2009 2:15:01 GMT
On the night of promotion a few of us were in the Beehive up Penkhull and on about the team we'd need in the Premier League. I said I wasn't sure about Dicko Wilkinson and Shawcross. Overall those three have done better than I thought they would. Thing is though I never even considered Cresswell because it was just so blindingly obvious he wouldn't be able to play at top level he'd obviously be on his way. Unfortunately nothings happened to change my mind. So to get to February and he's actually a mainstay and things get shuffled about to accomodate him is deflating.
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Post by PMac on Feb 8, 2009 2:19:12 GMT
Anyone who defends Cressies place in the team by saying he "Works his socks off" is totally deluded imho.
HE lost the ball during a Stoke "attack" today and they went on to score on the counter attack.
He's fucking RUBBISH - End of!
I'm sick of seeing him in a Stoke shirt.... No apologies for saying fuck him off for free NOW!
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Post by PMac on Feb 8, 2009 2:21:20 GMT
Change the record. There are enough anti-Cresswell threads on here already Afraid not mate sorry - It's worth people saying what they do because they are spot on. Should players be selected for their popularity with Managers or their sheer ability to contribute to winning games??
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Post by JoeinOz on Feb 8, 2009 2:32:20 GMT
He does work his socks off no denying that. He has a great attitude and all that.
The thing is last season he was wide on the left. His touch wasn't that bad BUT he clearly lacked the pace to beat a man. That was in the Championship. So how has he got a place in a Premier side? I understand that for what Tone wants Cresswell is more trustworthy because Lawrence hasn't played 90 minutes for ages but despite his excellent workrate and attitude etc Cresswell loses possession too much, doesn't put quality balls in, and is too one paced to make a positive difference....especially being played wide. By definition Cresswell is a defensive choice.
I hasten to add Cresswell was a big part of pronmotion and if he came back with another club would merit a healthy round of applause. It's nowt personal against I assure you. If some of his colleagues had his work ethic we'd be in a stronger position.
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Post by s8to on Feb 8, 2009 8:01:24 GMT
He wears the number 9 shirt... Says it all really!! How many goals???
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Post by skip on Feb 8, 2009 8:54:57 GMT
yesterday on the tele, I could have sworn I saw our number nine duck out of the way when the ball was crossed in for the first goal. Can anyone cuntfirm this was Cresswell?
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Post by GazMcNicol on Feb 8, 2009 9:01:37 GMT
On Radio Stoke yesterday, Pulis apparently said something along the lines of fans not knowing what Cresswell brings the team. Instead of patronising people who've watched enough football to spot a decent player, perhaps our manager would go a little further and actually tell us what, in his opinion, he brings the team? My guess is that it's little more than what John Acres told my mate who rang Praise and Grumble tonight. "He gives 110%." On that basis then, and bearing in mind that in terms of quality, Cresswell brings absolutely nothing to the team, are we to assume that the likes of Lawrence, Tonge, Olofinjana, Griffin, Pugh, Wilkinson, Cort and Kitson have been dropped either permanently or occasionally from the team because they "don't give 110%"? How do you explain Fuller being in the side then ;D
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