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Post by Beardy200 on Feb 5, 2009 10:28:35 GMT
Stopped being a footballer long ago. Now he's become a TV cult figure, running around with cameras following him. Yet he still has 2 goals and 2 assists in 5 games in one of the best leagues in the world. Beckham is still a very good footballer who is still performing at a very high standard. Well worth a place in the England squad on current showing. Carlton Cole's been pretty good recently too, do you want him up front aswell? Will need to do it for a bit longer than a handful of games to convince me he's still got it.
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Post by Mason_Stokie on Feb 5, 2009 10:32:40 GMT
Stopped being a footballer long ago. Now he's become a TV cult figure, running around with cameras following him. Yet he still has 2 goals and 2 assists in 5 games in one of the best leagues in the world. Beckham is still a very good footballer who is still performing at a very high standard. Well worth a place in the England squad on current showing. precisely... who else do we have wide right for england? SWP? Lennon? give me a break. these 2 aren't fit to lace beckhams books. Never used to like him. But the way he conducts himself etc is impeccable. looks like he's finally grown some bollocks and told that annoying witch of a wife that his football career is actually more important than where she wants to live...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2009 10:35:47 GMT
Yet he still has 2 goals and 2 assists in 5 games in one of the best leagues in the world. Beckham is still a very good footballer who is still performing at a very high standard. Well worth a place in the England squad on current showing. Carlton Cole's been pretty good recently too, do you want him up front aswell? Will need to do it for a bit longer than a handful of games to convince me he's still got it. I wouldn't be averse to Carlton Cole getting a place in the squad, he's been playing superbly lately and the team should be picked on form and not reputation. It's more than a handful of games too. Beckham revitalised Real's season after Cappello was forced to bring him back after saying he'd never pick him again. People write him off and time and again he proves them wrong.
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Post by Beardy200 on Feb 5, 2009 10:39:08 GMT
Yet he still has 2 goals and 2 assists in 5 games in one of the best leagues in the world. Beckham is still a very good footballer who is still performing at a very high standard. Well worth a place in the England squad on current showing. precisely... who else do we have wide right for england? SWP? Lennon? give me a break. these 2 aren't fit to lace beckhams books. Never used to like him. But the way he conducts himself etc is impeccable. looks like he's finally grown some bollocks and told that annoying witch of a wife that his football career is actually more important than where she wants to live... Well for me i'd like to see Ashley Young given his chance. Yes he plays on the left mainly for Villa but only because of Milner and i'm wondering what else he needs to do. Couldn't agree more with the highlighted bit though. As soon as he left Man U all that arrogance and cockyness seemed to disappear like flicking a switch and he's a true pro even if i do think he's over-rated.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2009 10:42:19 GMT
I might be wrong but I thought Ashley Young had pretty much always played on the left for Villa?
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Post by stokemark on Feb 5, 2009 10:42:49 GMT
Cockney glory hunter as a kid
Overpaid, over glamourised and average as a player
If he had looked like Paul Scholes do you think he'd have had half the attention he has had ? Would he bollocks
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2009 10:46:12 GMT
Cockney glory hunter as a kid Overpaid, over glamourised and average as a player If he had looked like Paul Scholes do you think he'd have had half the attention he has had ? Would he bollocks How do you explain the fact that he's been such a roaring success at three of the biggest clubs in the world then?
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Post by Pugsley on Feb 5, 2009 10:46:22 GMT
I think he is the most over-rated footballer in the world since 2002, however saying that he is a very good shirt salesman. (Actually Kaka is starting to push him for the most over-rated tag) Stoke fan knows fuck all about football shocker. You have been watching Pulis teams too long mate. David Beckham is that bad he has has played for THREE of the biggest and most successful clubs in the World. Do you really think the likes of Capello, Fergie and Ancellotti would pick this guy if he wasn't a good player? Not the best player in the world and hyped by the media but he is a very very good footballer and a team player. England are yet to replace him - only Walcott shows any signs and he will be hit and miss. Great to bring on a sub, superb professional and a good influence in the squad.
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Post by Beardy200 on Feb 5, 2009 10:46:59 GMT
I might be wrong but I thought Ashley Young had pretty much always played on the left for Villa? Yeah i know but before Milner someone else was on the right (can't remember who at the moment) and Young can play either side. He's right footed and i don't think i ever saw him play wide left until he went to Villa ... mainly a right full back and then a striker. Quality player though and i believe the best chance we have of developing a world class winger. Beckham did do well at Real Madrid rob but that was a good while ago now and he's certainly not England's future anymore. Time to move on in my opinion.
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Post by Beardy200 on Feb 5, 2009 10:53:20 GMT
I think he is the most over-rated footballer in the world since 2002, however saying that he is a very good shirt salesman. (Actually Kaka is starting to push him for the most over-rated tag) Stoke fan knows fuck all about football shocker. You have been watching Pulis teams too long mate. David Beckham is that bad he has has played for THREE of the biggest and most successful clubs in the World. Do you really think the likes of Capello, Fergie and Ancellotti would pick this guy if he wasn't a good player? Not the best player in the world and hyped by the media but he is a very very good footballer and a team player. England are yet to replace him - only Walcott shows any signs and he will be hit and miss. Great to bring on a sub, superb professional and a good influence in the squad. So you say he knows fuck all Pugs and then you agree with him That's the point surely? Of course he's a quality footballer (anyone who argues 'does' know fuck all) but the over-hyping and adulation he's had over his career is way way over the top. I agree with the post above, i always saw Scholes to be just as important for England but because he's a tiny little ginger top, didn't marry a popstar, walk around in Sari's and wasn't on every other advert he's never got anything more then respect. Anyone who believes he was 'ever' one of the greatest players in the world is just deluded.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2009 10:55:07 GMT
Stoke fan knows fuck all about football shocker. You have been watching Pulis teams too long mate. David Beckham is that bad he has has played for THREE of the biggest and most successful clubs in the World. Do you really think the likes of Capello, Fergie and Ancellotti would pick this guy if he wasn't a good player? Not the best player in the world and hyped by the media but he is a very very good footballer and a team player. England are yet to replace him - only Walcott shows any signs and he will be hit and miss. Great to bring on a sub, superb professional and a good influence in the squad. So you say he knows fuck all Pugs and then you agree with him That's the point surely? Of course he's a quality footballer (anyone who argues 'does' know fuck all) but the over-hyping and adulation he's had over his career is way way over the top. I agree with the post above, i always saw Scholes to be just as important for England but because he didn't marry a popstar, walk around in Sari's and wasn't on every other advert he's never got anything more then respect. Anyone who believes he was 'ever' one of the greatest players in the world is just deluded. He's not Zidane or Pele, true. He was at his peak, one of the best players in the world in his position. What I object to is the people on this thread he claim he was mediocre,avaerage etc. despite him playing a hugely important role at three of the biggest clubs in the world.
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Feb 5, 2009 11:03:24 GMT
As an individual...'Becks' cannot be faulted..he just seems like a really decent bloke who never says a bad word about anybody... A great Ambassador for England and football Always gives 100% for Club and Country.. Tremendous work-rate and team-player... Fantastic Role-Model for children..no swearing or drunken behaviour..or beating-up his wife.. But 'natural-ability'? Never in the same league as Gascoigne.... borderline genius like George Best...but theres a very fine line between genius and self-destruction.. Beckham went to Real to sell shirts to their South-Asian market.. Same thing with the USA... Put Beckhams name on a shirt and you can multiply its sales by a million...all those Chinese youngsters who idolise Becks and treat him like a Rock-Star/Royalty... Everybdy in the world knows who David Beckham is...he is the worlds leading brand..and as such can sell anything with his name on it... Even football...
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Post by th05 on Feb 5, 2009 11:43:33 GMT
Goarnnnnnnn Becks!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2009 11:44:02 GMT
precisely... who else do we have wide right for england? SWP? Lennon? give me a break. these 2 aren't fit to lace beckhams books. Never used to like him. But the way he conducts himself etc is impeccable. looks like he's finally grown some bollocks and told that annoying witch of a wife that his football career is actually more important than where she wants to live... Well for me i'd like to see Ashley Young given his chance. Yes he plays on the left mainly for Villa but only because of Milner and i'm wondering what else he needs to do. Couldn't agree more with the highlighted bit though. As soon as he left Man U all that arrogance and cockyness seemed to disappear like flicking a switch and he's a true pro even if i do think he's over-rated. Ashley Young???? And earlier you said that Becks has to do it more than a ahndful of games to convince you?? Youngs been half-decent for this season so far and that's it whilst Becks has consistently been pulling out performances for 12-13 years or so?? Which bit of your logic makes sense there? And if you can't be convinced of Beckhams form after returning to the top level by just a handful of games, i therefore presume that you are also still as unconvinced by James Beattie?
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Post by evans1863 on Feb 6, 2009 1:19:06 GMT
Been over this chirst knows how many times so i'll put forward a few questions and leave it. Probally won't get a response ...
1) What did you make od Beckham's performance in the 1998 World Cup finals?
2) What did you make of Beckham's performance at the 2002 World Cup finals?
3) What did you make of Beckham's performance in the 2004 European Championships?
4) What did you make of Beckham's performance in the 2006 World Cup finals?
5) What did you make of Beckhams deliverys that drifted out, or didnt beat the first man in those tournements??
6) What did you make of Beckham refusing to put a tackle in, or contest a header, or beat a man ... How about his penalties?
Could go on and on but I look forward to seeing this thread drop like a stone.
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Post by evans1863 on Feb 6, 2009 1:38:27 GMT
I think he is the most over-rated footballer in the world since 2002, however saying that he is a very good shirt salesman. (Actually Kaka is starting to push him for the most over-rated tag) Stoke fan knows fuck all about football shocker. You have been watching Pulis teams too long mate. David Beckham is that bad he has has played for THREE of the biggest and most successful clubs in the World. Do you really think the likes of Capello, Fergie and Ancellotti would pick this guy if he wasn't a good player? Not the best player in the world and hyped by the media but he is a very very good footballer and a team player. England are yet to replace him - only Walcott shows any signs and he will be hit and miss. Great to bring on a sub, superb professional and a good influence in the squad. Steve Mcnamanamanaman payed for TWO of the biggest clubs in the world. Vincent Pericard played for Juventus. Fabien Bartez has played for a few big teams. What about Jonathon Woodgate? Luke Chadwick has a Premiership winners medal ... do I really need to go on? Plus like I say Beckham sells shirts in the Middle East. Fergie always seemed to fall out with him, and lets face it, have Manure really missed him? What did he win at Real Madrid exactly? Fuck all bar the last season where Capello DROPPED him for poor performances and sold him to a poxy American side, fair play he fought hard and earned his place back, but his four years at the club was hardly a golden era was it? Ashley Young shows signs, as does Agbonlahore (sp?). Walcott looks a bit lightweight and spending his career in the Arsenal reserves wont sort him out IMHO. Football is about opinions, you say I know fuck all yet you cant give the slightest bit of credit to the man who took us back the top flight. (I'm not blinkered, playing Cresswell is retarded, signing players like Sonko is retarded ect but you take the rough with the smooth.)
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Post by evans1863 on Feb 6, 2009 1:50:29 GMT
Cockney glory hunter as a kid Overpaid, over glamourised and average as a player If he had looked like Paul Scholes do you think he'd have had half the attention he has had ? Would he bollocks How do you explain the fact that he's been such a roaring success at three of the biggest clubs in the world then? Erm, two games in Milan, I wouldnt describe him as a "roaing success" in one of the worst Real Madrid sides (trophy wise) for years (on the bench for half of the season that he actually got some sort of medal). And a pain in Fergies arse, albeit highly successful for Manure.
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Post by carolinastokie on Feb 6, 2009 2:16:55 GMT
I think the thing with Beckham is that it's as much about him as a person as it is about him as a footballer.
I have friends in Spain who are fanatical Real Madrid supporters. When it was first announced that he was going to Real they were not sure what to make of it. Then they watched him play, and more importantly they watched how he conducted himself around the club and with the clubs supporters and their verdict was that he just seemed to be a genuinely nice guy. Always had time for supporters, would spend longer than any of the other players signing autographs and posing for pictures.
They were also amazed at the amount of energy that he expended during the course of a game. Of course, just running about doesn't achieve anything, but he still provided plenty of great crosses and freekicks - can't find the video, but there was one huge cross field pass that dropped so perfectly for Zidane that he just volleyed it into the goal.
Right now Serie A is just the right place for him. MLS is just not good enough. I can't think he would manage the pace of the Premier League, but Serie A is a bit slower, less physical and right now suits his style of play.
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Post by Beardy200 on Feb 6, 2009 7:57:04 GMT
Well for me i'd like to see Ashley Young given his chance. Yes he plays on the left mainly for Villa but only because of Milner and i'm wondering what else he needs to do. Couldn't agree more with the highlighted bit though. As soon as he left Man U all that arrogance and cockyness seemed to disappear like flicking a switch and he's a true pro even if i do think he's over-rated. Ashley Young???? And earlier you said that Becks has to do it more than a ahndful of games to convince you?? Youngs been half-decent for this season so far and that's it whilst Becks has consistently been pulling out performances for 12-13 years or so?? Which bit of your logic makes sense there? And if you can't be convinced of Beckhams form after returning to the top level by just a handful of games, i therefore presume that you are also still as unconvinced by James Beattie? If you didn't read it properly YES Ashley Young. He was great last season aswell not just this. Beckham has been pulling out performances for 12-13 years? So what, he's been playing micky mouse football for 12 months and had 2 or 3 good games for Milan yet people suddenly think he's first name on the sheet? My logic is based on Beckham being slow, past his best with maybe 2 seasons left in him. Young is a kid, will only get better and has his whole career in front of him .... simple logic if you want to look for it By your argument perhaps we should start with Beattie and Carlton Cole for England. Plus 3 months ago Anelka was a world beater and now he's bloody useless
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Post by Macc_Stokie on Feb 6, 2009 8:13:22 GMT
Beckham has been an excellent ambassador for English football.
Furthermore, away from the pitch, he has singlehandedly raised the profile of football globally.
His transfer from Utd to Madrid became a bidding war not between Barcelona and Madrid but between Nike and Adidas.
His boot deal was with adidas, while Utd's kit was Nike. By going to Madrid Adidas realised that Beckham would become completely Adidas (as they made the Madrid kit) likewise Nike wanted Beckham to end his boot deal if he went to Barcelona (a Nike team)
Apparently Adidas put up c$20 million for Real to buy him - and as a result sold 100,000 shirts within the 1st day.
Awesome for 1 man to attract so much interest - whatever people think of him, he is a marketing machine.
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Post by lordb on Feb 6, 2009 8:30:02 GMT
Beckham played well in both world cups 98 (UNTIL THE SENDING OFF) & 2006.
overrated?yes probably
a very good footballer (even now) yes I think so.
marketing machine? yes 100%
would Beckham have been considered a very good player decades ago,yes I think so.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2009 11:22:17 GMT
Been over this chirst knows how many times so i'll put forward a few questions and leave it. Probally won't get a response ... 1) What did you make od Beckham's performance in the 1998 World Cup finals? 2) What did you make of Beckham's performance at the 2002 World Cup finals? 3) What did you make of Beckham's performance in the 2004 European Championships? 4) What did you make of Beckham's performance in the 2006 World Cup finals? 5) What did you make of Beckhams deliverys that drifted out, or didnt beat the first man in those tournements?? 6) What did you make of Beckham refusing to put a tackle in, or contest a header, or beat a man ... How about his penalties? Could go on and on but I look forward to seeing this thread drop like a stone. Evans - Beckham had a decent 98 world cup until his stupid rush of blood. He was clearly not fully fit in '02. He didn't have a great one in '04. In '06 he was involved in 2/3of the goals England scored. Your Pericard and Chadwick examples are utter, utter bullshit. Those players didn't have a millionth of the impact Beckham had on the three big clubs he's played for. Beckham was a big factor in Man Yoo's treble win of '99. In '06/07, Beckham's recall to the side inspired faltering Real to win La Liga. In 5 games for Milan he's scored two and made two. But you just ignore all the evidence and stick to your prejudice.
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Post by evans1863 on Feb 6, 2009 12:18:33 GMT
Beckhams recall inspired the side? Possibly, but Beckham's form prior to being dropped was utter shite and he was dropped rightly, like I say fair play to him for forcing his way back into the side, but lets not pretend he's the new Stanley Matthews or Pele hey?
I'll give you the 98 World Cup, but it was his stupidity that cost us, Andy Wilkinson does it vs Manure and he gets hung, but Beckham's (who was a similar age I believe? Not certain) was just a rush of blood? Edit: In hindsight, Beckham was castrated at the time but came back all the better for it. Can't see Wilko ever getting the benefit of a "rush of blood" though.
Personally I think he was abysmal in 06, one of his worst, its only Lampards ineptitude and Sven's complete lack of tactical awearness that stopped him from recieving the criticism the his awful performances warranted. He created 2/3 of the goals because we didnt score very many at all. 2-0 vs Trinidad FFS (yes, excellent cross from Beckham for the opener, what did he do prior o that? One hundred and one over-hit balls or free-kicks that didnt get off the floor. VS Equador he gave the worst performance I think i've seen from him bar N.Ireland, if he was ill why didnt Sven take him off? And against Portugal he did fuck all, Lennon comes on and we create two chances via pace on the right-side in the 10 minutes he's on before the Rooney Ronaldo incident.
Prejudice? No mate, opinions. Give me Giggsy all day long ahead of Becks.
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Post by th05 on Feb 6, 2009 12:22:41 GMT
Yet he still has 2 goals and 2 assists in 5 games in one of the best leagues in the world. Beckham is still a very good footballer who is still performing at a very high standard. Well worth a place in the England squad on current showing. Carlton Cole's been pretty good recently too, do you want him up front aswell? Will need to do it for a bit longer than a handful of games to convince me he's still got it. I would take Cole any day.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2009 12:25:11 GMT
Beckhams recall inspired the side? Possibly, but Beckham's form prior to being dropped was utter shite and he was dropped rightly, like I say fair play to him for forcing his way back into the side, but lets not pretend he's the new Stanley Matthews or Pele hey? I'll give you the 98 World Cup, but it was his stupidity that cost us, Andy Wilkinson does it vs Manure and he gets hung, but Beckham's (who was a similar age I believe? Not certain) was just a rush of blood? Personally I think he was abysmal in 06, one of his worst, its only Lampards ineptitude and Sven's complete lack of tactical awearness that stopped him from recieving the criticism the his awful performances warranted. He created 2/3 of the goals because we didnt score very many at all. 2-0 vs Trinidad FFS (yes, excellent cross from Beckham for the opener, what did he do prior o that? One hundred and one over-hit balls or free-kicks that didnt get off the floor. VS Equador he gave the worst performance I think i've seen from him bar N.Ireland, if he was ill why didnt Sven take him off? And against Portugal he did fuck all, Lennon comes on and we create two chances via pace on the right-side in the 10 minutes he's on before the Rooney Ronaldo incident. Prejudice? No mate, opinions. Give me Giggsy all day long ahead of Becks. Yeah I'd have Giggs ahead of him as well. But Beckham is a better player than Lennon will ever be. Nobody's making him out to be Pele or Stan, but he's far from mediocre. Capello himself credited Beckham with inspiring Real's fightback and regretted dropping him in the first place. Beckham got more abuse than Wilko ever did, people were literally hanging effigies of him. For the record, I think both players cost their teams with their red cards. Becks didn't always perform but it's hard to criticise him too much in '06 when he was involved in the majority of goals England scored in that world cup. Without him it could be argued we'd have struggled to get out of what was a pretty modest group. As I said, "ordinary" players don't play pivotal roles for three of the biggest clubs in the world. He's an excellent player. He shouldn't be classed in the same league as Pele, Best, Zidane or Maradona, but he deserves respect for his accomplishments and the contribution he's made to some massive football clubs.
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Post by Ron Jeremy on Feb 6, 2009 12:33:14 GMT
I loveeee him, would be good to see him stay at milan (a very sucsessful team), unlike galaxy who win nothing and are just pathetic
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Post by matt1986 on Feb 6, 2009 12:41:43 GMT
Been over this chirst knows how many times so i'll put forward a few questions and leave it. Probally won't get a response ... 1) What did you make od Beckham's performance in the 1998 World Cup finals? 2) What did you make of Beckham's performance at the 2002 World Cup finals? 3) What did you make of Beckham's performance in the 2004 European Championships? 4) What did you make of Beckham's performance in the 2006 World Cup finals? 5) What did you make of Beckhams deliverys that drifted out, or didnt beat the first man in those tournements?? 6) What did you make of Beckham refusing to put a tackle in, or contest a header, or beat a man ... How about his penalties? Could go on and on but I look forward to seeing this thread drop like a stone. top - just to keep you happy: Premier League: 1995–96, 1996–97, 1998–99, 1999–00, 2000–01, 2002–03 FA Cup: 1996, 1999 UEFA Champions League: 1998–99 Intercontinental Cup: 1999 Community Shield: 1993, 1994, 1996, 1997 FA Youth Cup: 1992 ;D
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Post by evans1863 on Feb 6, 2009 12:55:21 GMT
[quote author=robvandeurzen83 board=Potters thread=64106 post=802402 time=1233923111
Yeah I'd have Giggs ahead of him as well. But Beckham is a better player than Lennon will ever be. Nobody's making him out to be Pele or Stan, but he's far from mediocre.
Capello himself credited Beckham with inspiring Real's fightback and regretted dropping him in the first place. Beckham got more abuse than Wilko ever did, people were literally hanging effigies of him. For the record, I think both players cost their teams with their red cards.
Becks didn't always perform but it's hard to criticise him too much in '06 when he was involved in the majority of goals England scored in that world cup. Without him it could be argued we'd have struggled to get out of what was a pretty modest group.
As I said, "ordinary" players don't play pivotal roles for three of the biggest clubs in the world. He's an excellent player. He shouldn't be classed in the same league as Pele, Best, Zidane or Maradona, but he deserves respect for his accomplishments and the contribution he's made to some massive football clubs.[/quote]
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Fair points RVD, to a degree I see where your coming from, just I rate Beckham obviously a lot less than you do. (Possibly because I prefer pacy direct wingers as opposed to Beckhams type).
Didnt Capello go on record saying that he was right to drop Beckham because his form was so poor? And without dropping him Beckham wouldnt have the same impact on the side as he did when he had a point to prove? Like I say could be wrong but I'd swear I heard it on Sky sports. For arguments sake i'll agree with the red card costing both teams (i've stuck up for Wilko to the hilt but on this thread it would seem highly biased.)
Very much off topic but wasn't Svens plan to win the 06? Jesus Christ we were abysmal, no creativity, WAGs all over the shop, crisis to crisis, its lucky we even made the QF's because Equador were capeable of doing us over. Capello appears to be leading us in the right direction but the right man for the job (and has been since Sven took over is Martin O'Neil no-one is more tactically awear than him and his man-management is absolutley superb, there'd be no egos in the squad and I truely believe we'd be a force again with him in charge.
I'd criticise the whole squad tbh, nobody (well maybe rooney till his petulance cost us) performed. Beckham may have created goals but generally his performances were only slightly better than fat Frank's IMO, everything about his game was dire, but because its David Beckham, his mistakes were glossed over and the media would love his one accurate cross of the game, which invariable led to a goal.
I think he's a very talented player who lacked intellegence, unfortunatley he created a media image of himself in which he seemed to revel, hence his performances on the field suffered slightly but because he was "golden balls" it was glossed over.
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Post by Beardy200 on Feb 6, 2009 12:55:37 GMT
Beckhams recall inspired the side? Possibly, but Beckham's form prior to being dropped was utter shite and he was dropped rightly, like I say fair play to him for forcing his way back into the side, but lets not pretend he's the new Stanley Matthews or Pele hey? I'll give you the 98 World Cup, but it was his stupidity that cost us, Andy Wilkinson does it vs Manure and he gets hung, but Beckham's (who was a similar age I believe? Not certain) was just a rush of blood? Personally I think he was abysmal in 06, one of his worst, its only Lampards ineptitude and Sven's complete lack of tactical awearness that stopped him from recieving the criticism the his awful performances warranted. He created 2/3 of the goals because we didnt score very many at all. 2-0 vs Trinidad FFS (yes, excellent cross from Beckham for the opener, what did he do prior o that? One hundred and one over-hit balls or free-kicks that didnt get off the floor. VS Equador he gave the worst performance I think i've seen from him bar N.Ireland, if he was ill why didnt Sven take him off? And against Portugal he did fuck all, Lennon comes on and we create two chances via pace on the right-side in the 10 minutes he's on before the Rooney Ronaldo incident. Prejudice? No mate, opinions. Give me Giggsy all day long ahead of Becks. Yeah I'd have Giggs ahead of him as well. But Beckham is a better player than Lennon will ever be. Nobody's making him out to be Pele or Stan, but he's far from mediocre. Capello himself credited Beckham with inspiring Real's fightback and regretted dropping him in the first place. Beckham got more abuse than Wilko ever did, people were literally hanging effigies of him. For the record, I think both players cost their teams with their red cards. Becks didn't always perform but it's hard to criticise him too much in '06 when he was involved in the majority of goals England scored in that world cup. Without him it could be argued we'd have struggled to get out of what was a pretty modest group. As I said, "ordinary" players don't play pivotal roles for three of the biggest clubs in the world. He's an excellent player. He shouldn't be classed in the same league as Pele, Best, Zidane or Maradona, but he deserves respect for his accomplishments and the contribution he's made to some massive football clubs. There's nobody here who doesn't give him respect for what he's done for his clubs or his fantastic attitude. It's just the fact that he's been playing top level football for 5 mins again, scored a free kick and there is suddenly a huge outcry that he should be straight back in the team. I'd have him on my bench but not as a starter. As for all this looking back years and years ago it's all irrelevant to me. How's his FORM? All we can look at is 4 games and a couple of them were as sub i believe. That isn't enough for me yet but if he's still doing it after another 10 or 15 games then no problem. He's still no answer for the future though however well he plays. As for other ideas, people are just obsessed with statistics these days. Carlton Cole in the England team? That's just laughable to me. Yes he's scored a few goals recently but none of them were any good. Just mishit shots or being in the right place at the right time when the ball somehow comes to him. He's just as likely to go the next 15 games without scoring as he's nieve in his positioning and got the control of an elephant.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2009 13:01:10 GMT
[quote author=robvandeurzen83 board=Potters thread=64106 post=802402 time=1233923111 Yeah I'd have Giggs ahead of him as well. But Beckham is a better player than Lennon will ever be. Nobody's making him out to be Pele or Stan, but he's far from mediocre. Capello himself credited Beckham with inspiring Real's fightback and regretted dropping him in the first place. Beckham got more abuse than Wilko ever did, people were literally hanging effigies of him. For the record, I think both players cost their teams with their red cards. Becks didn't always perform but it's hard to criticise him too much in '06 when he was involved in the majority of goals England scored in that world cup. Without him it could be argued we'd have struggled to get out of what was a pretty modest group. As I said, "ordinary" players don't play pivotal roles for three of the biggest clubs in the world. He's an excellent player. He shouldn't be classed in the same league as Pele, Best, Zidane or Maradona, but he deserves respect for his accomplishments and the contribution he's made to some massive football clubs Fair points RVD, to a degree I see where your coming from, just I rate Beckham obviously a lot less than you do. (Possibly because I prefer pacy direct wingers as opposed to Beckhams type). Didnt Capello go on record saying that he was right to drop Beckham because his form was so poor? And without dropping him Beckham wouldnt have the same impact on the side as he did when he had a point to prove? Like I say could be wrong but I'd swear I heard it on Sky sports. For arguments sake i'll agree with the red card costing both teams (i've stuck up for Wilko to the hilt but on this thread it would seem highly biased.) Very much off topic but wasn't Svens plan to win the 06? Jesus Christ we were abysmal, no creativity, WAGs all over the shop, crisis to crisis, its lucky we even made the QF's because Equador were capeable of doing us over. Capello appears to be leading us in the right direction but the right man for the job (and has been since Sven took over is Martin O'Neil no-one is more tactically awear than him and his man-management is absolutley superb, there'd be no egos in the squad and I truely believe we'd be a force again with him in charge. I'd criticise the whole squad tbh, nobody (well maybe rooney till his petulance cost us) performed. Beckham may have created goals but generally his performances were only slightly better than fat Frank's IMO, everything about his game was dire, but because its David Beckham, his mistakes were glossed over and the media would love his one accurate cross of the game, which invariable led to a goal. I think he's a very talented player who lacked intellegence, unfortunatley he created a media image of himself in which he seemed to revel, hence his performances on the field suffered slightly but because he was "golden balls" it was glossed over. Oh the Germany World Cup was a shambles from England's point of view, no question. Sven (who overall I think did a pretty decent job with England) had lost the plot by that point, with taking Walcott before he was ready. The WAGS, the players' attitudes, everything was wrong. I do think one good thing that came out of it was that it lowered the unrealistic expectations people had about England. I never bought into this "golden generation" bollocks. We have no right to expect to be winning world cups. We won one once, pretty fortunately, on our own patch. We're a quarter final/semi final if we're lucky kind of team, and that won't change until a serious overhaul of the English game happens at grass roots level. I do however, think Capello was absolutely the right choice for the job and it's encouraging to see where we're heading. I think we'll at least see a creditable performance from our boys in South Africa.
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