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Post by stokiehad on Feb 4, 2009 15:12:05 GMT
one word... fantastic
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Post by eddy_under_fire'sviews on Feb 4, 2009 15:19:31 GMT
well done Eddie, Well done PC and TS, and well done STOKE CITY. could anyone in the know possibly explain the FSF to me, and give me a link to more information please? i've seriously missed some kind of major movement
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Feb 4, 2009 15:31:38 GMT
Just had the Manchester Evening News on the blower. They've picked up the story and are contrasting Stoke City with Man U who last year declined to help their fans who were treated appallingly in Rome. ;D
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Feb 4, 2009 15:33:12 GMT
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Post by mark71 on Feb 4, 2009 16:03:06 GMT
Everyone keep your eyes posted on the M.E.N. site now then ;D
Malcolm, Thanks for everything you've done. I wasn't directly effected by the section 27's but in a couple of years time we all might be subjected to such actions.
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Post by bogus on Feb 4, 2009 16:06:37 GMT
It's absolutely fantastic news and I really have to pinch myself sometimes at all that is going on down Stoke. Away from the games, we have news like this. Matches themselves, we have that fantastic, unified effort we saw on Saturday. It really is...................
VIS UNITA FORTIOR!!!
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Post by icelandpotter on Feb 4, 2009 18:41:06 GMT
This news is absolutely fantastic, and the best bit of news to come out of the club non-match related I can ever remember.
I hope the Police get their just desserts for this, whether that be the superintendant that day fined and disciplined/sacked, or the police to have to issue compensation for the loss of the time to the fans affected.
Stoke City you have made my day.
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Post by Afrojack on Feb 4, 2009 18:44:04 GMT
Brilliant!
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Post by One-Two on Feb 4, 2009 18:52:39 GMT
Very proud to support this club
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Post by SuperRickyFuller on Feb 4, 2009 18:58:34 GMT
Absolutely brilliant
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Post by boothenpaddock86 on Feb 4, 2009 19:06:57 GMT
hate to be synical but coates must have had good legal advice to put up £20,000,looks like were on for a victory in court
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Post by mermaidsal on Feb 4, 2009 20:41:45 GMT
Great gesture, congratulations everyone involved for what's been achieved so far and all the best Lyndon.
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Post by edwardhitler on Feb 4, 2009 21:04:16 GMT
Cheers Sal.
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Post by surreystokie on Feb 4, 2009 21:06:06 GMT
Eddy, I get tired of being asked "but exactly what does FSF do?" (not referring to you) when I'm singing FSF's praises and trying to get fellow supporters to join. We knew about PC's generous offter to help and also asked for small contributions to FSF, from supporters, (to whom it could happen) so that we may be prepared to do our financial bit, too, on the legal front . If the case went our way, the fund would be used for future cases. We've been very restrained until it's finally sorted and winning this particular battle and Stoke City staying up, would be the ultimate in joy for this supporter, I can tell you. Hope you've now joined us!
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Post by edwardhitler on Feb 4, 2009 21:17:25 GMT
I certainly am a member Surreystokie. I must be honest, this experience has really opened my eyes on quite a few fronts. As i stated earlier, it would have been extremely difficult, if not impossible to fight this without the FSF or indeed Liberty who only got involved due to the FSF becoming involved.
As you say, a victory against this outrageous piece of legislation and Stoke staying up, which they will!!, would be absolutely superb.
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Post by headsgoup on Feb 4, 2009 22:28:47 GMT
It's not just about the money but the club making a principled stand. The Police State is coming to a country near you, if we don't make a stand. And let's not forget the principle the club has taken re ID cards, when the police have regularly abused this system and cardholders. Goooooaaaaaaaarn!! I was going to post something similar but you've summed it up perfectly mate. Our first league game at Old Trafford for 25 years and the first every game at OT for many and the police spoil the day. They were bang out of order. Well done my club for doing this.
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Post by stokie_back_in_notts on Feb 4, 2009 23:50:09 GMT
This is absolute quality - and I am so proud to support our football club. At long last we have a club that supports their fans, and how many other clubs would do this. Well done SCFC
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Feb 5, 2009 0:32:50 GMT
Lyndon - I think Monica was addressing eddy_under_fire not you. Too many Edwards I think this has been a bloody good team effort from you, the FSF, Liberty and the Club, and I'm confident that as a result you will get what you, and the others at Irlam, are entitled to - a recognition that what they did to you was not lawful and appropriate compensation. Why be cynical Boothenpaddock ? Yes, we believe we have a very good case, but it is still a great gesture for the Club to do something which no other Club I know of has ever done. But we still need contributions to our fund - and if people combine it with FSF membership so much the better. Not least because there is still the very similar case of the Plymouth fans at Doncaster to sort Let's hope we all also get the other half of Monica's wish.
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Post by mumf14 on Feb 5, 2009 1:35:54 GMT
Malcolm...With the amount of money that The Premiership generates I would have thought that perhaps a greater emphasis should be brought to bear on the powers that be , rather than supporters having to fund such projects.I'm not sure that this infringes on the conflicts of interests argument , or indeed how much it costs to run the FSF. It is a case of David versus Goliath in these kind of legal aspects and I feel that the work that you and others have done with regards to this particular case is very commendable. The problem I have with all this, is when supporters are once again asked to dig deep in their pockets to fund an organisation, when other parties are more able financially to help.
Perhaps if all football clubs were asked to fund your organisation directly at source then such 'cap in hand' whip rounds would not be necessary.? I know little of how such funding operates within the FSF so I might be speaking out of hand.Either way this section 27 is an abomination of legal powers in my opinion and such matters should perhaps be brought to the attention of the home secretary himself, through perhaps local politicians in the area.
Three years ago ,on a personal level I got the backing of my M.P for something I saw as a big legal loophole in the law,and he,as a cabinet member at the time, took up my particular case,which eventually resulted in positive action after a long and hard fought campaign that took almost two years.Without his contribution my efforts would have been completely futile.
I think the way forward is to now question the legal connotations to this Section 27 and it's applications nationally.The only way to this is to lobby the Government rather than fight each particular occurrence of when it is applied.
Best wishes Mumf.
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Post by bostedclog on Feb 5, 2009 7:13:37 GMT
Superb news .Take them to court mate without a doubt..Whether or not justice will be done remains to be seen ,but itll make em think twice next time.Cannot see how the guy could possibly lose really .Oh i just realised we are in England
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Feb 5, 2009 10:22:19 GMT
Thanks for your thoughts, mumf. We do already get some funding from the Premier League and the FA as well as the PFA, albeit small beer in their terms. But that's not without its issues. Although the day they tried to use that to influence what we do would be the day we stopped taking their money, there is still a perception that we might not be completely independent. For example, I did an interview on ticket prices on Talk Sport with Stan Collymore last Saturday, and he said he had noticed that we got some funding from the PL so wasn't there a conflict of interests. Fair question, which I answered as above. But in an ideal world I would rather be completely independent, but at the moment we would have to cut down on our activities if we didn't have their dosh. A bit like an employer funding a Trade Union, if you know what I mean. As Lyndon has so kindly said, I think FSF membership is good value at £15 p.a ( £14 if pay by DD and cheaper if unwaged). In addition to getting this representation, you get 6 high quality magazines a year, for about half the cost of an average PL match ticket. I would like to see mass membership of the FSF among football fans. www.fsf.org.uk
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Post by mumf14 on Feb 5, 2009 11:57:25 GMT
Thankyou very much for your informative reply and one in which all fans across the country should take some solace from.I think that you have managed to answer any doubts or concerns we may have had regarding it's impartiality and funding.I hope that it goes from strength to strength and on reflection provides good value for money.
Going back to the original suggestions I made I would further like to suggest that representations be made to the Minister for Sport for his informed opinion on this travesty of events that has led your organisation to become involved(he must be getting bored walking around the 2012 London Olympic building site with Boris Johnson by now). It might be worth a try you never now....? Once again I'm guessing but I expect that this section 27 rule can be applied not just to football games but other sports I expect, although it would be interesting to see if that is the case, how many times it has been brought to bear for sports other than football. If however it is solely designed and interpreted for football,then surely there is once again grounds for a concerted discriminatory bias against football fans in general....?
All thing considered at least the Police and the other authorities may now sit up and listen to the daily struggle the law abiding British football fan has to endure on a daily basis just to go and watch his local team play a game of football.....and that is not what it should be about. I find all this unbelievably preposterous.
Any future repetitions on this rule of law being applied should be logged and kept on file for future representations to the home secretary himself as I feel sure you would do as a matter of course anyway.
Once again well done for all the hard work you have put in.
mumf.
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Post by eddy_under_fire'sviews on Feb 5, 2009 17:03:40 GMT
thanks very much for the link to the website. It has really opened my eyes to an organisation that, in all honesty, i didn't know existed.
i will be signing up this evening, and wish the organisation all the best of luck in the future.
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Post by peterhampton on Feb 5, 2009 18:53:05 GMT
Lyndon
All the best with your claim mate - I'm sure you're getting good legal advice but bear in mind that JR claims are far from straightforward, they can be VERY expensive - and most importantly, if you're going to bring a claim, you need to do it as soon as possible, delay could prejudice your prospects of success. There is a cut off point (I think its 3 months, without checking?) - but that doesn't mean you've got 3 months, you've really got to get a move on.
Hopefully you'll get some sort of settlement offer from the Police so you don't have to pursue it all the way.
PH
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Post by edwardhitler on Feb 5, 2009 20:04:21 GMT
Cheers Peter. You are right, it is 3 months. The deadline is 15th February so not far off.
The police have said that they will not defend the case so it is pretty much a done deal. We are just clarifying a few points at the moment to ensure that the S27 legislation is properly reviewed and this can never happen again.
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