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Post by patobanton on Jan 28, 2009 15:01:19 GMT
After the very quick and unexpected sucess that Stoke achieved with the battle for a play off spot in 06/07 season and theauto promo sucess in 07/08 season I am left wondering if sucess came to soon for Stoke. You hear of teams having 2-3 year plans of geting in the premier league from the championship however most of them are very optimistic and unless you a big club who has done it recently, its a very big ask. I wonder if Stoke had enough time to build a squad of sufficent strength in the championship, for it to be a good base in the premiership. I think the evidence of how reliant Stoke has been on players like Cresswell, Whelan and Wikinson says not. I don't believe any other team in the prem would play any of these players. This season you see Birmingham, Wolves and Reading fighting it out in the Championship for promotion. The quality that these teams have in comparison to Stoke last season is clear with prem clubs looking to buy from all of these teams and you can see it in the amount of points that have. Wolves on 59, Reading on 57 and Birmingham on 55 after 29 games is a considerable difference from Stokes 47 from 29 games at this point last season. With all this considered I think the team and squad have done very well to have got the points they do have but I am begining to prepare for a premotion campaign next season. league table now, last season www.stokecityfc.premiumtv.co.uk/page/LeagueTable/0,,10310~20080129,00.html League table now, this season news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_div_1/table/default.stm |
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Post by evans1863 on Jan 28, 2009 15:02:11 GMT
Hull arent doing badly ...
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Post by Bick on Jan 28, 2009 15:08:45 GMT
Nice point evans!
Interesting to see last yrs table!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2009 15:09:02 GMT
yeah we came up to quickly , 23 years isn't long enough to put together a squad!  i see what you're saying but what should we havwe done, lost a few matches last year on purpose to ensure we stayed there for another year? (and remeber losing intentionally was pointless as we didn't have Ethers then so who'd benefit?) |
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Post by RAF on Jan 28, 2009 15:11:21 GMT
I must admit I enjoyed watching Pericard monging around aimlessly at Bristol more than watching Beattie score.
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Post by bossthemidfield on Jan 28, 2009 15:12:05 GMT
Whoa! hold on there...
4 months over the summer was enough time to recruit better players if TP et al had got off there arses sooner!
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Post by swampySCFC on Jan 28, 2009 15:13:33 GMT
I remember saying to myself against Leicester. We could do with losing this game because we ought to build a better squad for the next three years.  Truth is the squad is clearly better equipped than many past promoted teams because its nearly Feb and we aint relegated yet |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2009 15:16:23 GMT
Whoa! hold on there... 4 months over the summer was enough time to recruit better players if TP et al had got off there arses sooner! to be fair they did try but (and a lot of people on these boards aren't aware of this) just having money doesn't actually mean that people want to come e.g Penant remember? |
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Post by scfclifer on Jan 28, 2009 15:50:23 GMT
I remember saying to myself against Leicester. We could do with losing this game because we ought to build a better squad for the next three years. Truth is the squad is clearly better equipped than many past promoted teams because its nearly Feb and we aint relegated yet spot on |
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Post by Stokie in Geordieland on Jan 28, 2009 16:05:46 GMT
After the very quick and unexpected sucess that Stoke achieved with the battle for a play off spot in 06/07 season and theauto promo sucess in 07/08 season I am left wondering if sucess came to soon for Stoke. You hear of teams having 2-3 year plans of geting in the premier league from the championship however most of them are very optimistic and unless you a big club who has done it recently, its a very big ask. I wonder if Stoke had enough time to build a squad of sufficent strength in the championship, for it to be a good base in the premiership. I think the evidence of how reliant Stoke has been on players like Cresswell, Whelan and Wikinson says not. I don't believe any other team in the prem would play any of these players. This season you see Birmingham, Wolves and Reading fighting it out in the Championship for promotion. The quality that these teams have in comparison to Stoke last season is clear with prem clubs looking to buy from all of these teams and you can see it in the amount of points that have. Wolves on 59, Reading on 57 and Birmingham on 55 after 29 games is a considerable difference from Stokes 47 from 29 games at this point last season. With all this considered I think the team and squad have done very well to have got the points they do have but I am begining to prepare for a premotion campaign next season. league table now, last season www.stokecityfc.premiumtv.co.uk/page/LeagueTable/0,,10310~20080129,00.html League table now, this season news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_div_1/table/default.stmLast season I would have put West Brom and Watford into this catagory. I think we have a better chance of survival than West Brom, and as for Watford...great 3 year plan!!! |
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Post by Stokie-Jiggz on Jan 28, 2009 16:07:15 GMT
thing is yes we arn't happy with how we are doing but...think how derby fans felt at this time last season!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2009 16:08:35 GMT
After the very quick and unexpected sucess that Stoke achieved with the battle for a play off spot in 06/07 season and theauto promo sucess in 07/08 season I am left wondering if sucess came to soon for Stoke. You hear of teams having 2-3 year plans of geting in the premier league from the championship however most of them are very optimistic and unless you a big club who has done it recently, its a very big ask. I wonder if Stoke had enough time to build a squad of sufficent strength in the championship, for it to be a good base in the premiership. I think the evidence of how reliant Stoke has been on players like Cresswell, Whelan and Wikinson says not. I don't believe any other team in the prem would play any of these players. This season you see Birmingham, Wolves and Reading fighting it out in the Championship for promotion. The quality that these teams have in comparison to Stoke last season is clear with prem clubs looking to buy from all of these teams and you can see it in the amount of points that have. Wolves on 59, Reading on 57 and Birmingham on 55 after 29 games is a considerable difference from Stokes 47 from 29 games at this point last season. With all this considered I think the team and squad have done very well to have got the points they do have but I am begining to prepare for a premotion campaign next season. league table now, last season www.stokecityfc.premiumtv.co.uk/page/LeagueTable/0,,10310~20080129,00.html League table now, this season news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_div_1/table/default.stma "pre-motion" campaign? Well our defenders were pretty static last night... |
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Post by goodjobson on Jan 28, 2009 16:14:01 GMT
I must admit I enjoyed watching Pericard monging around aimlessly at Bristol more than watching Beattie score. H ;D ;D ;D Your having laugh Patobanton. If we went down with 21 point its worth a season in the premiership. How can you ever get promoted to the premier league too soon? The fact is we were never going to 'build' a squad similar to the likes of Birmingham and Reading because we weren't considered a club similar to them. These clubs are fashionable and we aren't. If we do go down we will be in a stronger position as a Championship club, with a realistic chance of bouncing back if the squad and manager stay put. |
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Post by KevinWhimper on Jan 28, 2009 16:26:21 GMT
Whoa! hold on there... 4 months over the summer was enough time to recruit better players if TP et al had got off there arses sooner! You can't possibly believe that Pulis wasn't doing everything to bring in good new players? |
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Post by tigerfeat on Jan 28, 2009 16:44:17 GMT
I know where your thinking comes from, but the daft thing is I remember fans of ours saying we'd got promoted too quickly when we struggled in our first season in the championship two or three years ago as we'd gone from League 2 to League 1 to the CCC in consecutive seasons with not enough time to adjust The fact is any time is a good time to get promoted as you never know when the chance will come around again I honestly think we got lucky last year. Its funny to see where we were in the table, and that was just AFTER we'd strung together a few wins We should never have been in the mix after such a crap first half of the season, but due to us having a good run second half of season and supposedly 'bigger' teams misfiring, we took advantage One things for sure though, any Brizzle, Watford and Charlton fans will weep now when they see that championship table from last year  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2009 16:53:50 GMT
personally i don't think you can prepare for the premiership UNTIL you've been there at least once anyway. yes, we may go back down but a tram that have only just come down from the prem with the money (parachute payemtns etc) and the prestige you get from being a clun that more than likely will be in the top 3 or 4 of the CC will attract the better players which in turns builds your club. if we'd stayed in the CC then we would not have attracted any decent players and just wouldn't get out of the CC in the first place
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Post by mickmills on Jan 28, 2009 18:00:39 GMT
I'm with my love child on this one - thanks son!
You have to go up, get the money and players who will stay with you if you go back down (BT and Ethers have both had a stint in the Champ) but you become a stronger team next time you go up. Oh - and increased profile for players around the world so that they've heard of you next time.
Get media saying looking to stay for longer this time... will be better prepared rather than the 23 years since they were at this level and are doomed
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Post by visunitafortior on Jan 28, 2009 18:06:20 GMT
Bollocks, complete utter bollocks.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 28, 2009 18:16:37 GMT
Fucks sake! I know last night was bad but we can still stay up quite easily! Miserable fookers! Chear up and lets go to the Brit on Saturday and spur them on to victory! And lets pray that Cressy is nowhere near the starting xi!
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Post by Irish Stokie on Jan 28, 2009 18:43:41 GMT
Well i have read some idiotic things but this must rank pretty highly. We were 23 years out of the top flight and had a very near miss on the play-offs the season prior to promotion so to say we shouldnt have gone up is rubbush. Last night was a poor performance but come on we arent exactly miles clear of safety, we are a couple of wins from the top half so some of this scare-mongering is ridiculous
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