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Post by mickstupp on Jan 29, 2009 17:09:01 GMT
Correct britvic, I`ve read hundreds of these posts and I`m still waiting to see anyone offer a reasonable alternative if they get their wish and TP gets sacked (which he wont) Dont get me wrong, the guy infuriates me at times with his seections and tactics but come on folks, this under current of anger towards TP is not going to help. If it starts to rear its ugly head at the games we will be fucked.
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Post by Fred Ferret on Jan 29, 2009 17:20:44 GMT
.... If it starts to rear its ugly head at the games we will be fucked. Agreed - that would be totally over the top. However, there have been many critical but constructive comments about team selection and tactics - that needed to be said. But - if Tone just dealt with some of those, we'd have a lot more happy bunnies - and hopefully improved results.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2009 17:23:53 GMT
.... If it starts to rear its ugly head at the games we will be fucked. Agreed - that would be totally over the top. However, there have been many critical but constructive comments about team selection and tactics - that needed to be said. But - if Tone just dealt with some of those, we'd have a lot more happy bunnies - and hopefully improved results. but we may also find out that some people on here are wrong and their tactics don't work either and we could be rooted to the bottom of the table on 6 points!!! personally if we stay up (and to be honest although i don't love the guy i think TP has a better chance of keeping us up than the posters on here would have) i don't really care if the bunnies on here are happy or not!
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Post by mickstupp on Jan 29, 2009 17:26:26 GMT
Fred, your right mate, some of his selections and signings have been proved to be dreadful. I just get this feeling that in a high tension atmosphere on Saturday if we lose an early goal of two there may be a few anti Pulis chants breaking out. The passion of our support this year has been superb, however, as we have seen in the past, the passion can quickly boil over to anger and this would be like signing our death warrant as a Premier League club. The time for blame and inquest should come in May if we go down.
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Post by Fred Ferret on Jan 29, 2009 18:08:30 GMT
MMLovechild and mickstupp - I agree.
Rephrased: But - if Tone just dealt with some of those, we'd have hopefully improved results - and a lot more happy bunnies.
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Post by Cupid Stunt on Jan 29, 2009 18:26:22 GMT
For those that want to stand beside him, you have the right to. Many others like myself have followed us through thin & thinner, but to watch things unravel at white hart lane tonight is negligence in the extreme in my opinion. Many many people have mentioned the tactics deployed away from home are far from ideal but to expect people to pay for this sort of football is insulting in my eyes.... The players who go on the pitch are asked to follow a system - on that we all agree, but how many of them are wondering " what the fuck is this all about"..???? Please Coatesy or any of your relatives ever reading this board,please do the honourable thing and serve this guy his P45 and give us a chance of staying up.... And to those who wish to start blartin about 'stop having a go at Pulis' your support for the guy is an endorsement of his brand of football which is sucking the life and also the chance this club has of staying in the division.... Jim Yes, the man who took us into the Premier League is killing the club Yes he got it wrong on Tuesday, and has done a lot of times, but which manager hasn't? He's hardly fucked us up. You have a shot memory if you think this is the death of our football club. Where were you in the Chic Bates and Brian Little era
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Post by starkiller on Jan 29, 2009 18:27:41 GMT
Pulis could avoid criticism by actually playing the best players available in their strongest positions and attempting to win games.
Isn't that what football is about?
I, and most other people, could actually stomach the results if we deployed this simple philosophy.
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Post by Big Al on Jan 29, 2009 18:31:21 GMT
when chic bates was here ands= brian little did we lose the games because we we not good enough or because we chose to sit our best players on the bench and play half fit headless chickens
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2009 18:33:03 GMT
when chic bates was here ands= brian little did we lose the games because we we not good enough or because we chose to sit our best players on the bench and play half fit headless chickens Are you suggesting that times were better under them? Oh how we yearn for the good old days of Brian Little!
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Post by Big Al on Jan 29, 2009 18:38:15 GMT
No im suggesting that times have changed and we should be able to compete with at least the bottom 6 clubs of this league with the players we have on the pay roll . We lose games now because we dont play those players unlike the era of bates and co when then we just were not good enough
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2009 18:47:09 GMT
No im suggesting that times have changed and we should be able to compete with at least the bottom 6 clubs of this league with the players we have on the pay roll . We lose games now because we dont play those players unlike the era of bates and co when then we just were not good enough Everything's relative though. Squad wise we weren't one of the worst three teams in that league when we kicked off the 97/98 season under Bates but for a combination of reasons we ended up relegated. Under Brian Little we started off like a rocket so our capitulation can't just have been down to our players. This season we're on a bad run, true the manager's selection is leaving a lot to be desired at the moment. We ARE competing with the bottom six though, aren't we just a couple of points off them? It's not like we're adrift on 4 points is it?
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Post by Big Al on Jan 29, 2009 18:49:21 GMT
we've just lost 3-1 to the team above us and were never in the game how is that competing
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2009 18:56:43 GMT
we've just lost 3-1 to the team above us and were never in the game how is that competing Competing is being in touch with our rivals, which we are.
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Post by bogus on Jan 29, 2009 19:00:16 GMT
Killing the club?? ;D ;D
I've been walking over to the Britannia for about 5 years now, because I can't be arsed with the car park madness, and up until the end of last season there was usually me and a half dozen others. Towards the end of last season and ALL of this season, there are people absolutely everywhere, particularly going back after, when we are all setting off at the same time. Crowds, Full house, Multi-million pound players signed, Linked with even MORE expensive players that we'd have laughed at 12 months ago, 3 million pound training ground and plans for improvement, big screens, a lick of paint, coverage on the national media constantly, in The most famous League in the World................etc, etc
And some of you folks think Pulis and Coates are killing the club?? Stay of the substances lads, the place is buzzing and will be on Saturday at lunch time too.
As for the away tactics..............well it seems to me that 95% of the teams in this division go away to defend and play on the break with the only exceptions being the really dominant sides like Manu, Chelsea and occasionally Arsenal. FFS, even Aston Villa and Everton do it. Everton are even doing it without recognised forwards and have one of the best away records in the league, 4-6-0 every week. The advantage they have had over us is that they have better players to play on the break, make more use of their possession, but perhaps we have started to address this with the additions of Etherington and Beattie. Now I don't know if I watch different games than you lot, but all this gung-ho, get at em shit just doesn't happen in the games I watch. If there is any critcism of the manager that I can understand it's the team selection on occasions, and Cresswell usually, although you could argue that he was included at Tottenham because of his work ethic and we expected a tough game. It didn't work, granted, but having come so close at Chelsea he probably decided that they desreved another chance.
RANT OVER ;D
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Post by dutchstokie on Jan 30, 2009 12:25:07 GMT
I don't agree with all that you've said dutchstokie - but you've a right to say what you want. I would'na worry about some of the mardarses on here - they resent someone having negative comments - calling it moaning etc. Then bleat and moan about what's been said themselves - double standards? Then you get the imbeciles that haven't got the intellectual capability to string more than a few letters together to create obscenities - "special needs" group that lot. Dunna werrit fredferret.... ;D
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Post by TheWiseMaster on Jan 30, 2009 12:31:20 GMT
Quality post Bogus Puts these numpties firmly in their place Selection - we all know better than the manager - even me
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Post by Fred Ferret on Jan 30, 2009 12:41:41 GMT
Quality post Bogus .. Puts these numpties firmly in their place .. Interesting comment - see where you're coming from now. I don't agree with some of the comments - even though I may be critical myself. I think that a balance should always be struck - you know +ve and -ve ;D The "put people firmly in their place" approach - say's so much doesn't it.
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Post by TheManWho on Jan 30, 2009 12:54:11 GMT
I love this club, but at times I hate some of these fans and their irrational views.
"Oh no, we're fighting relegation in a season we were expected to finish doing a derby! Sack the manager!"
How Pathetic. Pulis has done, and will continue to do wonders for this club, and if we do stay up, you'l all sing his name only to do exactly the same thing next season when we hit a bad patch.
Show some fucking loyalty to the players and the manager that got us here, and will continue to keep us here, if we get behind them.
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Post by growler on Jan 30, 2009 22:11:41 GMT
Ofcourse he isn't killing the club but his philosophy on football are an ebarassment to me and any true football supporter. We have no choice but to keep him on until the end of the season but, whether we stay up or go down, he must go for the sake of my football club and the sport in general.
And before anyone says it, yes I did think this following the Leicester game.
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Post by march4 on Jan 30, 2009 22:20:36 GMT
I am not embarrassed and I've seen us play around 1000 games. For most of those other games I was embarrassed though by inept players and managers, no team spirit and a silent half empty ground. I can go into work and talk football with the glory hunters and they know our players and our results.
Embarrassing, that was when we were in a lower league than Vale and Crewe. In 20 years time, we will think of 2008 as a glory year in our history (not up to 1972, but the equivalent of '79 at least)
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Post by growler on Jan 30, 2009 22:27:33 GMT
But we are now in the full glare of the Premiership, watched by millions around the world, and all we can muster is anti football.
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Post by march4 on Jan 31, 2009 1:39:37 GMT
I've seen no anti-football. I've seen a limited group of players performing to their strengths. Its different, not ugly or embarrassing.
If you want embarrassing, think Pantsil, think Bosingwa screaming so loud the whole crowd could hear him as rolled around trying to get Mama sent off - tv showed Mama was a good metre from him, think van Persie on Sorensen and Whinger's comments when he'd run back to London, think Ballack diving repeatedly, think Carragher screaming like a girl because Ric dared to tackle him, think every gesture of Ronaldo, think of silent Prem grounds, some of which are half empty, think grown men running round wearing alice bands.
Now thats what I call embarrassing.
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Post by Premier League Bluto on Jan 31, 2009 7:44:55 GMT
In over 45 years of supporting stoke there have been few worse comments made than this thread. Loyalty counts for nothing then dutch stokie. The man engineered us getting into the premiership well done TP He has coates has said is now an apprentice as managers go in the Premiership. This club in recent years needed stability from the top,Its now got it. We are playing clubs who buy the best players for fun almost and we have to try and compete. Dont get above your station we always Knew we would have a battle on our hands.Our objective this year is a minimum of fourth from bottom.
If i had to go to war dutch stokie you would be the last person id want with me because id definitely needs eyes everywhere.
Rant Over
Stoke to Survive
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Post by Potter_Mouth on Jan 31, 2009 15:49:09 GMT
Dutch Stokie you should feel ashamed of yourself. This has to be the worst thread ever witnessed on this forum.
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Post by daverichards on Jan 31, 2009 15:50:26 GMT
Dutch Stokie you should feel ashamed of yourself. This has to be the worst thread ever witnessed on this forum. Not by a long chalk
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Post by growler on Jan 31, 2009 15:56:27 GMT
But the club belongs to us whether we belong to some strange Pulis supporting cult or believe he is a lucky but very limited manager (my view). It isn't the manager's club whoever he may be.
March 4 - are you really saying you would rather have Pulis as manager of ur club than Wenger? Or you couldn't put up with the behaviour of Premiership prima donnas if they played for us? Ridiculous.
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