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Post by salopstick on Jan 17, 2009 20:15:41 GMT
not a rash statement, nor am i slagging the bloke and i certainly do not blame him for todays or any other result this season
i like cresswell, i thought that our failiure to buy another striker in august did not matter because the addition of oli, soares, tonge, lil faye meant that no longer would tony pulis have to play him on the wing
cresswell with his goals last season played a huge part in getting us promoted last season
although not the most gifted footballer or the fact that some say he is not good enough you cannot fault his attitude he will run all day for you. in fact his busyness on the pitch does at times open up the play in other areas
today tony felt etherington had done enough work, not being 100% match fit and replaced him with a still not match fit dave kitson. A STILL NOT MATCH FIT KITSON WHO PLAYED MOST OF LAST WEEKS MATCH BECAUSE WE HAD NO OTHER OPTION
the problem is imo , we are a better team when richard cresswell is not on the left wing . he is the ultimate square peg in a round hole
i would not mind him as a reserve striker but whilst there is a risk tp will put him on the left, he has to go
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Post by sgtpotter89 on Jan 17, 2009 20:16:59 GMT
did my eyes deceive me? i thought cresswell played up front today and only went to left wing when kitson came on?
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Post by Beardy200 on Jan 17, 2009 20:17:25 GMT
With the strikers coming back, Ethers in and Pugh doing well when called upon i don't think we'll see Cressy for a while now so you'll get your wish.
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Post by salopstick on Jan 17, 2009 20:19:17 GMT
did my eyes deceive me? i thought cresswell played up front today and only went to left wing when kitson came on? you are right, and we were a different team etherington with his runs was keeping the ball, running into the corner trying to do things gthis takes pressure off the defenders was totally mystified when he was replaced with kitson
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Post by Northy on Jan 17, 2009 20:24:35 GMT
did my eyes deceive me? i thought cresswell played up front today and only went to left wing when kitson came on? we were 1-0 up when that switch happened
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Post by luke2u on Jan 17, 2009 20:25:53 GMT
Yes, we need forwards who actually try to shoot at goal. When he has the ball, he usually run with it until he loses it. Not good enough for PL.
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Post by stokie25 on Jan 17, 2009 20:29:30 GMT
today required that gutsy detemination and attitude that Cressie supplied. Kitson needs to be fed, but our midfield aren't strong enough in formation to do that yet! Cressie will bust a bollock to get the scraps and attempt to convert them into something! i was relieved to see him start today, truth be told, and the signing of Ledley (if we pull it off) as a CM will be the only thing to convince me, in the absence of Mama, to start Kitson!
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Post by boothenboy75 on Jan 17, 2009 21:03:19 GMT
First off another gutsy display from all the lads, who all ran themselves into the ground.
However, I still can't work out why TP started with Cressy ahead of Ginge. Last week for me was Kitsons best game for us, and after playing in the piss poor performance at Hartlepool, he must be getting back to match fitness. How therefore can you start with Cressy ahead of our £5 million summer signing.
Don't get me wrong I've nothing against Cressy, I think he could be a good squad player for us. He is not though a first choice prem striker. Today though was a great opportunity to have a look at Kitson + BT before Fullers return.
For me TP then confounded the mistake by bringing Kitson on. With 10 to go he should of bought on another defender/midfielder and tried to close the game out.
Don't want to moan and I am 100% behind TP, just sometimes his favourites first policy leaves me scratching my head.
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Post by luke2u on Jan 17, 2009 21:06:36 GMT
I will never be 100 % behind TP, he makes too many strange decisions.
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Post by ruts66 on Jan 17, 2009 21:20:09 GMT
With Beattie, Mama, Kitson & Fuller all available I think Cresser will take more of a back seat in the coming weeks.
Make no mistake, however, he was every bit a part of what got us AS A TEAM to 1-0 after 60mins today...
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Post by boothenboy75 on Jan 17, 2009 21:22:58 GMT
With Beattie, Mama, Kitson & Fuller all available I think Cresser will take more of a back seat in the coming weeks. Make no mistake, however, he was every bit a part of what got us AS A TEAM to 1-0 after 60mins today... If thats the case then why was Cressy played ahead of KItson today? Think the player taking even more of a back seat will be Kitson
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Post by ruts66 on Jan 17, 2009 21:29:36 GMT
I think Pulis had to be sure that we defended from the front today and we all know Kitson hasn't exactly shown much stomach for a fight yet, despite his obvious skill on the ball...
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Post by sweetandinnocent on Jan 17, 2009 21:31:21 GMT
imo cressy is a very decent squad player
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Post by robwahlmann on Jan 17, 2009 21:46:44 GMT
A very good back up IMHO!
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Post by bogus on Jan 17, 2009 21:54:54 GMT
did my eyes deceive me? i thought cresswell played up front today and only went to left wing when kitson came on? you are right, and we were a different team etherington with his runs was keeping the ball, running into the corner trying to do things gthis takes pressure off the defenders was totally mystified when he was replaced with kitson Pulis said that he (Etherington) had a slight hamstring problem and so they took him off.
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Post by salopstick on Jan 17, 2009 22:48:21 GMT
should have played 4 3 3 then
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Post by dazthestokie69 on Jan 18, 2009 0:00:16 GMT
i find it hard to have a go at Cressy simply because he puts his top on and just gets on with his job and works hard. He never lets anyone down and doesnt have many off days but he doesnt have the quality do make an impression in the prem. He's just consistantly average {;o)
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Post by Titan Uranus on Jan 18, 2009 0:13:04 GMT
I'm afraid that Tone's decisions (both selection and mid-game) with Cresswell today lost the game.
These sort of decisions sort out the wheat from the chaff.
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Post by march4 on Jan 18, 2009 0:13:35 GMT
Cresswell did what was asked of him at Chelsea. He is a squad player who fills the gaps when others are not available. If he was as good as Johan Cruyyff he would be a regular. Lets give the guy a break for a while. He will be as gutted as the rest of us. I don't know how many miles he ran or how many bruises he collected only to see us lose it at the end.
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Post by clippo on Jan 18, 2009 0:21:29 GMT
Cressy has dropped some bollocks in the past but he was an absolute legend today
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Post by march4 on Jan 18, 2009 0:26:35 GMT
I'm afraid that Tone's decisions (both selection and mid-game) with Cresswell today lost the game. These sort of decisions sort out the wheat from the chaff. Utter nonesense. Just give it a rest when we are all feeling so bad!
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Post by boothenboy75 on Jan 18, 2009 9:30:14 GMT
Can't disagree with the fact that he puts 100% in, and is a decent squad player. One thing he is not though is a first choice prem striker, anyone who thinks otherwise is letting their heart rule their head. Our awful away record shows that something is wrong in the way that Tp sets up the team away from the Brit. Yesterday would of been an ideal opp to see what BT and Kits could of offered together. Our away strategy of trying to score from our single effort on target whilst keeping a clean sheet against 15+ efforts on target will never work (Chelsea, Wigan, Blackburn or whoever else we are playing). Losing at Chelse 2-1 is no disgrace, but TP needs to have a look at our away style of play, as not winning away from home for the rest of the season will send us down.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2009 9:44:48 GMT
sorry but you need to get used to it, we are where we are and with , the evidence suggests Creswell not deemed good enough for the bench in Oct ,hes now started every game since Fulham because the manager thinks he does a good job for the team will indeed start at Spurs what will be interesting is the value of the players we have on the bench or in the white hart lane stands (i can see Creswell ahead of Fuller & Kitson at Spurs) who we purchased in the last 12 months it was over £10 millon yesterday with Pugh and Creswell in the team for an hour, in a game of very very small margins team selection is probably one of the biggest i just hope in May he is proved right.
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Post by Bick on Jan 18, 2009 9:46:17 GMT
I like Cresser because he works so hard. But Richard Creswell is not good enought for the premiership. At best he is a squad player, he would be great for a team in our position last year, pushing for promotion, such as preston. But for us, its a waste of a place and if Fuller, Mama, Beattie, Kitson are fit, Cresser MUST not have a look in for our safety.
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Post by nathan on Jan 18, 2009 9:47:44 GMT
Bringing Kitson on was a mistake, for mine.
Brining on £3 million's worth of a CM and moving Pughy out to the left might have been the better option than Kitson, who, for all the support he has been receiving, has contributed the square root of fuck all.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 18, 2009 10:13:59 GMT
Can't disagree with the fact that he puts 100% in, and is a decent squad player. One thing he is not though is a first choice prem striker, anyone who thinks otherwise is letting their heart rule their head. Our awful away record shows that something is wrong in the way that Tp sets up the team away from the Brit. Yesterday would of been an ideal opp to see what BT and Kits could of offered together. Our away strategy of trying to score from our single effort on target whilst keeping a clean sheet against 15+ efforts on target will never work (Chelsea, Wigan, Blackburn or whoever else we are playing). Losing at Chelse 2-1 is no disgrace, but TP needs to have a look at our away style of play, as not winning away from home for the rest of the season will send us down. Excellent post BB75. I know why Pulis went with Cresswell yesterday and I understand his reasoning behind it, but I'm not sure it was the right decision. Cresswell ran his socks off all afternoon and you simply cannot fault the shift that the lad put in, but to tell you the truth I don't think the withdrawn role he was playing in was particualry effective at Stamford Bridge. Chelsea came back at us so fast that his role became virtually redundant, we were (especially in the first half) almost immediately defending on the edge of our own box. I didn't really see him acting as the first line of defence at all. On the other hand, Beattie (who had a great debut) looked isolated at times, when we got the into Chelsea's half. The one and only time he actually had somebody in support (Rory) to play the ball to, we scored! I'm not criticising Cresswell at all, but I'm still not convinced that it might not have been a better idea to start with Kits partnering Beattie in a more advanced role, instead of Cressy having to perform the role he was given. To be perfectly honest Kitson wouldn't have faired any better doing the same job, it just seemed that the role itself (IMHO) didn't work today. Benjamin I really do hope this doesn't turn out to be the case. I really do believe that the difference between setting up in a 4-4-1-1 away from home, as opposed to 4-4-2 could have an incredibly significant bearing on our Premiership survival. You are right, in a game of small margins these sorts of decisions can be massive.
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Post by Horace Cope on Jan 18, 2009 11:40:22 GMT
One of Pulis' main weaknesses is his fondness for the 'headless chicken' type of player.
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Post by march4 on Jan 18, 2009 11:43:58 GMT
Cresswell is a squad player and is useful in that role. I don't think anyone expects him to be a regular when everyone is available (even TP).
Paul, yesterday he seemed to be playing as the lone striker for large parts of the game, although there was some interchange between him and Beattie.
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Post by jarhead on Jan 18, 2009 11:45:06 GMT
He has to be left out now or else we will defo go down,what he contributes with the football is ZERO we might aswell play with ten-men ffs!
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Post by march4 on Jan 18, 2009 11:48:45 GMT
He has to be left out now or else we will defo go down,what he contributes with the football is ZERO we might aswell play with ten-men ffs! Yesterday he was superb as he was against Liverpool and ManU. It is a worrying thought Jarhead, that apart from the defence, he has been our best performer since Christmas. We can't get other players back quickly enough. I agree he isn't up to the Prem, but he is the best of what is left in the squad. I would keep him till the end of the season as a squad player, hoping he only makes the odd substitute appearance.
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