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Post by knowles on Jan 14, 2009 10:03:48 GMT
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Post by Rory's Towel Boy on Jan 14, 2009 10:10:01 GMT
Swedish Stokie?
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Post by wokka on Jan 14, 2009 10:11:33 GMT
Norwegian?
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 14, 2009 10:12:40 GMT
Stoke want to take advantage of their purchase option of Brann's borrowed import, Rodolphe Austin (23).
The Premier League club has the option to 1 February to buy fThe Brann player who is on loan from Jamaican Portmore United.
It has previously been highly uncertain whether "The Potters" want to take advantage of first refusal because of the club's struggle to obtain a work permit fo the Jamaican
Now it is clear that Stoke want to take advantage of first refusal before taking over the Fire option after 1 February.
The reason for this is that they feel confident that the Jamaican national player would get a work permit granted.
Stoke had previously been rejected because Austins homeland Jamaica is not among the 70 first countries in FIFAs rankingliste. Now they are up to 65 space and the club should have received the signal that the English (FA) will provide the 23-year-old with the necessary paperwork.
According to athletic director Roald Bruun-Hanssen has red Royen not yet received a final clarification from Stoke if they want to get loan imports.
The situation is unchanged. That is, nothing is resolved in the case, say the athletic director, Roald Bruun-Hanssen to Bergensavisen. (ANB)
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Post by knowles on Jan 14, 2009 10:17:31 GMT
So, unless the article hasn't been translated properly (good work FM), we only have until the end of the month to buy him.
Then, presumably, it is a free-for-all?!
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Post by stokietomo on Jan 14, 2009 10:37:02 GMT
Sods law means this bloke is probably gonna a load of shite if he ever arrives here seeing as we've been waiting so long!! I hope not though
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Post by luke2u on Jan 14, 2009 11:13:50 GMT
I can't se any reason to follow up this interest, as he isn't good enough for our team. It seems he has shown a few good moments in the Norwegian league, but hasn't impressed that much. This million should be wiser spent.
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Post by n01stokie on Jan 14, 2009 11:16:28 GMT
I can't se any reason to follow up this interest, as he isn't good enough for our team. It seems he has shown a few good moments in the Norwegian league, but hasn't impressed that much. This million should be wiser spent. How do you know he isn't good enough for our team? |
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Post by luke2u on Jan 14, 2009 11:20:29 GMT
I can't se any reason to follow up this interest, as he isn't good enough for our team. It seems he has shown a few good moments in the Norwegian league, but hasn't impressed that much. This million should be wiser spent. How do you know he isn't good enough for our team? Been in touch with people who have seen him for SK Brann, and when he can't shine in the Norwegian league, will he be better than what we have? I know he played very well in an European cup game, and scored an excellent goal from a free kick in the league, apart from that, not too much to shout about from what I've heard. Olli was much more impressive when he palyed for SK Brann. |
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Post by n01stokie on Jan 14, 2009 11:28:39 GMT
yes but the two are different players, you could argue that a defensive midfielder would not stand out much in a poor league where an attacking midfielder would, the whole point of a defensive midfielder is that you win the ball then give it to the "flair players" it's only when you play against/with the better players that you start to "stand out"
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Post by luke2u on Jan 14, 2009 11:35:34 GMT
yes but the two are different players, you could argue that a defensive midfielder would not stand out much in a poor league where an attacking midfielder would, the whole point of a defensive midfielder is that you win the ball then give it to the "flair players" it's only when you play against/with the better players that you start to "stand out" For Brann they have both played in more or less the same position, but Olli was a better goalscorer. |
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jan 14, 2009 11:41:00 GMT
I'd have thought if we did go for him we might want to play him in his alternative position of right back - we seem to have a surfeit (great word!) of defensive midfielders. Normally, they only allow a reapplication for a work permit every 12 months which would mean we couldn't apply until June/July ish - perhaps they are prepared to waive this rule? If not, we could buy him and leave him on loan until the end of the season I suppose.
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Post by n01stokie on Jan 14, 2009 11:42:44 GMT
maybe so, but what i'm saying is that Austin is a denfensive midfielder so his quailities are in the defensive side of the game rather than the offensive, so even if he is played further forward he would not have the same impact as an offensive player in that position, for example two players at chelsea: Essien and Lampard Essien is a defensive player, he wins the ball and passes it to the flair players such as lampard, he is far more effecive playing from deep. Lampard is an attacking player, he only really wants the ball in the attacking third of the pitch where he can play the forward balls and score goals, if you play him in a defensive roll then he would look a very poor and ineffective player.
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Post by luke2u on Jan 14, 2009 11:52:29 GMT
Maybe your right, but I think he'll have a problem in holding down a regular place in our team. Could perhaps take over from Diao and Amdy Faye in a couple of years.
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Post by A-teen_six_T3 on Jan 14, 2009 11:56:14 GMT
Haven't everything been signed to enable him to be a Stoke player. except for the FA paperwork, becasue he couldn't get a work permit! But he's agreed terms, and have paid a fee to Portmore united??
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Post by Mr Rottweiler on Jan 14, 2009 11:56:29 GMT
Haven't we already paid a million for Mr Austin?
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Post by n01stokie on Jan 14, 2009 11:57:29 GMT
it's like any player from oversea's you pay your money and take your chance, for everyone player who ends up a success there will be hundreds that fail
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Post by th05 on Jan 14, 2009 12:41:16 GMT
He must have something about him. We don't need him just now though.
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Post by luke2u on Jan 14, 2009 12:48:09 GMT
If we have paid the money we would be crazy. No work permit, and Brann has signed him on loan from Portmore. Doesn't look like it, we just have an option to buy him before 1 st February.
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Post by lordb on Jan 14, 2009 13:04:46 GMT
99% CONFIDENT NO MONIES HAVE BEen paid (oops caps lock,sorry) but £1m fee may well have been agreed?
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Post by PotteringThrough on Jan 14, 2009 13:11:03 GMT
He plays for Jamaica so he must be good - No one forget how good they were in the 98 world cup with Robbie Earle running the show!
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Post by knowles on Jan 14, 2009 13:18:35 GMT
He plays for Jamaica so he must be good - No one forget how good they were in the 98 world cup with Robbie Earle running the show! And Deon Burton  |
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Post by thebet365 on Jan 14, 2009 13:23:52 GMT
In Tone I trust. We've been after him for a hell of a long time, in that time we've brought in a lot of midfielders yet still he wants him.
You can't compare watching a few games of him to a proffesional club tracking the player for nearly 2 years.
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Post by daverichards on Jan 14, 2009 19:54:18 GMT
Not sure we need him any more
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Post by Done it for scfcbuxton on Jan 14, 2009 20:02:24 GMT
For £1m surely its worth getting him in. If he doesn't hold down a regular place then hes good, cheap back up and young enough to improve and learn off Amdy and the man described by TP as the best defensive midfielder in the league in Salif
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Post by arma on Jan 14, 2009 20:06:48 GMT
We need to look beyond the first team and at squad depth.
You don't track a player for 2+ years solid, make attempts to sign if they are shit.
From what i've heard in the past, he'd be a solid player.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 15, 2009 9:24:32 GMT
fotball.aftenposten.no/england/article126324.eceStoke want Austin BERGEN: But all hope is not out for Brann Rudolphe Austin's London-based agent Phillip Graham was yesterday afternoon on a visit to Brann training on Nymark. He was in Bergen to talk with Austin and the management.
Stoke have the option to buy Austin from Portmore United, and must decide by the end of January. If not assume Brann first on the right midfield player, which was leased to Brann in June. A transfer sum has already agreed with Portmore in the country of Jamaica.
"What I can say is that Stoke are still keen to secure Austin" said Graham to bt.no.
"I met Stoke-management on Monday, and will also talk with them in London on Saturday in connection with their away match against Chelsea"
-" I do not know what happens. But there will be a quick clarification", added the agent.
The problem for Stoke is to get a work permit for Austin. Twice before they have tried, but been rejected.
Last happened in August last year, and it was this that made Austin end up in Brann on loan for one year.
BT.no discussed the matter earlier this week, and noted that Jamaica's strong performance the last year, can help Austin to the Premier League.
On the FIFA ranking for January, which was presented yesterday, Jamaica is number 66 (one place down from December).
However, it is not enough that Jamaica is among the 70 best that Austin will get a work permit in England.
How are the regulations worked out for foreign players to get a work permit in England?
A player must have played in at least 75 percent of the A internationals he could play (injuries are excluded) in the last two years before applying for a work permit.
The player's team must be among the 70 best ranked on the official FIFA ranking, over an average for the past two years.
It is the last point that creates trouble for Austin in relation to Stoke.
We calculate that from January 2007 to December 2008, Jamaica is number 87 on the list.
Another problem for Stoke is that they appealed the first rejection in August last year.
In the English Football Association (FA) regulations are the fact that one can not ask for a new panel treatment for a player in the same season.
And the "season" in this case is from 1 June -31 May.
As long as Austin does not meet the two criteria above, Stoke can thus not be sure whether a new panel in the FA prior to treatment in June.
In principle Brann's Loan Agreement applies with Austin until June.
But both the agent Graham, and Brann sports chief Roald Bruun-Hanssen confirmed to bt.no that Austin could disappear now if Stoke avail themselves of the option and get approved the application for a work permit.
Stoke can do is to buy the player and the bet that Austin will granted a work permit at a later date. In the meantime, he rented out, for example, Brann, as Liverpool did with Mark Gonzalez.
The Chilean will was bought by the Merseysiders in October 2005, but, like Austin, he got off the appeal for a work permit. Thus, he was leased to Albacete and Real Sociedad later.
Whether Austin and Bann are interested in such a solution, is uncertain. Several other Scandinavian clubs follow Austin, according to his agent.
PS: There are many examples of players get a work permit, even if they do not meet the criteria. One of them is Colombia is Hugo Rodal, who Monday was ready for Wigan after a panel hearing. Should the rules examined, a player must be the "ultimate level" and that they must be "an important contributor to the development of the English top league".
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