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Post by RAF on Jan 13, 2009 12:40:17 GMT
Cameron Jerome?
Yes he is really setting the championship on fire isn't he?
I disagree momo, I think Delaps chance was alot harder to miss than both of Kitson's. I think the lad , who lets face it has just come back from injury should be given a good 5 or 6 games in his natural position, then if he still isn't scoring and looks poor , then maybe try and offload him. Personally I think he will come good, he just needs a confidence goal.
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Post by matt1986 on Jan 13, 2009 12:48:26 GMT
If you want to go off recent form delap for me has been our poorest player, Kitson is a scapegoat for a few of you and its complete tripe
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Post by AlanHansen on Jan 13, 2009 12:51:34 GMT
Matt,
Face facts, he's done fuck all, in fact he hasn't even looked like doing fuck all.
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Post by vestanpance on Jan 13, 2009 12:54:12 GMT
Let's face it, he's been shit.
HOWEVER, to sell him now would be folly. We are approaching a time when we have bot Lawrence & Etheringotn fit and patrolling the wings...both capable of providing the type of service he thrives on. Given service both he & Beattie are capable of scoring bucketloads.
All this bollocks about him being our best player on Staurday is just that, and i am more than inclined to agree that with momo in that he was presented with two excellent chances that he managed to fuck up, as per usual. But we should start to see him at his best with two wingers, and then he may well be a force to be reckoned with.
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Post by matt1986 on Jan 13, 2009 13:01:13 GMT
Matt, Face facts, he's done fuck all, in fact he hasn't even looked like doing fuck all. How many games has he stared?? 5 or 6??? What do you expect, we've not been playing the type of football many strikers would do well with, Torres would struggle to score in that side. Now with two good wingers I think he will do much better
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Post by daveray26 nealy 27 on Jan 13, 2009 13:01:21 GMT
kitson is the best finisher in out team, hes quality
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Post by RAF on Jan 13, 2009 13:05:58 GMT
Like Cameron Jerome you mean?
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Post by eriksson74 on Jan 13, 2009 13:07:02 GMT
Stoke fans never cease to amaze me, what crap to get rid of Kitson. The player has talent and can play and we want to get rid?
So folk would rather call upon Creswell and Pericard should injuries and suspensions take out the 1st choice strike force or call upon Kitson?
Crazy, absolutely crazy
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Post by lordb on Jan 13, 2009 13:09:14 GMT
Beattie,Mama & Camara
+ A N Other big signing (striker)
thats 4
+ Kitson & Fuller
+ Vince....
for me Kitson or Fuller must be leaving one of those two has endangered -the crucial - team spirit.
I reckon Fuller is going
of course it may be that TP is playing a wait & see who comes in for either (or both) of those two before deciding which one goes
& of course it may be that Camara & AN Other arnt signing.
we'll see.
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Post by pushon on Jan 13, 2009 13:11:26 GMT
I know its a cliche but "goals win games" So if we depend upon Kitsons paltry efforts we're not going to see any more wins this season.
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Post by Rebelliousjukebox on Jan 13, 2009 13:13:40 GMT
i get a feeling that we may sell Kitson and sign camara if all goes wll, Kitson simply does not seem to be happy here .Of course he's not happy - he's been injured for a number of weeks, and is struggling to score. I believe that he will come good, and to sell him would be folly. If he did look happy, in the current situation, would you be complaining that he wasn't committed to the cause?
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Post by matt1986 on Jan 13, 2009 13:15:06 GMT
I know its a cliche but "goals win games" So if we depend upon Kitsons paltry efforts we're not going to see any more wins this season. zzzzzz, bored of your 'paltry' posts, you clearly dont understand much about football. He will score given the right service as shown when we finally used the wings on Saturday
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Post by magwitch on Jan 13, 2009 13:16:51 GMT
The arrivall of Etherington and Beattie, plus the return of Lawrence will change the way Stoke play and should create a better system for Kitson to perform in. His past record suggests that he will do well in a good team, so it would be foolish to sell him at a knockdown price.
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Post by s8to on Jan 13, 2009 13:21:50 GMT
Kitson can score goals FFS!!! He has been out for many weeks now injured, his track record speaks for itself.. Pericard has to be sold/binned end of!!!
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Post by minsterleypotter on Jan 13, 2009 13:37:41 GMT
Talk of an england this time last year now hes not fit to wear the stoke kit.Some people just dont understand football.
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Post by minsterleypotter on Jan 13, 2009 13:41:08 GMT
alan hanson if sitting on the bench for the blues does it for you then cameron jerome is the man
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Post by PotteringThrough on Jan 13, 2009 13:41:17 GMT
Kitson has to stay for me!
He is a goalscorer and was unlucky against Liverpool.
I know that one is going to drop in for him soon enough and when one comes a few more goals will follow. Even if he isn't starting he's a cracking player to have on the bench!
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 13, 2009 14:33:04 GMT
I bet Dave Kitson hasn't started a dozen games this season, and in the games he has, he's been asked to play 10 yards behind the main striker in more of a forward midfield position known as the 'Mama role'.
I don't believe for a moment that Pulis brought the lad here with the intention to use him in this way. Pulis isn't THAT stupid, he would have targeted somebody else far more suitable for the role, wouldn't he?
However once the dust had settled after the last transfer window, and Pulis hadn't managed to bring in the players that he wanted (Pennant and Ledley) to provide Kits the service he was expecting, the manager decided that for the time being at least, Kitson would be played in this withdrawn role because he believed that this formation was going to give us the best chance of accumulating points.
Yes Mama has got 3 (or is it 4?) goals this season, but Mama is well accustomed to playing this position, the position was made FOR HIM.
However, how many goals would Robbie Keane or Michael Owen have scored playing in the Mama role this season?
It's all very well people saying that Kitson hasn't scored yet, but he's hardly been playing in a position that lends itself to scoring, is it?
More to the point how many goals have Stoke scored since Ktitson has not been in the team?
Five in TEN matches (and two of those were scored by a CENTRE BACK)!!
I suppose it's Kitsons fault that we've been managing to score just one goal in two games since his injury is it?
Of course not, but this demonstrates that Stoke have been creating VERY LITTLE in front of goal this season, with or WITHOUT Kitson in the side.
The lad was on the verge of an England call up last season, we had Reading fans coming on here when we signed him, some saying that they thought he was one of the best players that had ever pulled on a Reading shirt.
Yet we have people coming on here slating him to the heavens, their whole argument being based on the fact that currently there is a 0 next to his name in the goals scored column.
Using that as evidence to base your argument upon could be achieved by simpling watching teletext FFS!
Many people thank christ, are able to see beyond this, and are able to take into the account the mitigating circumstances and couple this with what they are SEEING on the pitch.
IE. A skillful and intelligent player, who given the right service and played in the correct position is very likely to prove that Stoke have one of the best English strikers in the country currently on their books!
Rant over ...
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 13, 2009 14:39:36 GMT
Paul, that argument definitely holds together.
But when Mama's fit in 2-3 weeks, and with a pool of Beattie, Fuller, Sidibe, Kitson and very probably another striker who won't have come to sit on the bench, how do you see Pulis accommodating Kitson?
How much game time do you see him getting?
I hear the 'Fuller will be an impact sub' argument, but I don't buy it personally. And Beattie will be nailed-on.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 13, 2009 14:57:15 GMT
Paul, that argument definitely holds together. But when Mama's fit in 2-3 weeks, and with a pool of Beattie, Fuller, Sidibe, Kitson and very probably another striker who won't have come to sit on the bench, how do you see Pulis accommodating Kitson? How much game time do you see him getting? I hear the 'Fuller will be an impact sub' argument, but I don't buy it personally. And Beattie will be nailed-on. You expect me to second guess Pulis's future plans FM! There's talk of an attacking overlapping right full back in the air don't you know?! And indeed if some of the rumours are to be believed there may yet be MORE strikers to come. However recent events, have proved that we definately do need four quality strikers on the books, and as it stands that's what we now have. It wouldn't be too difficult to believe that Fuller will pick up another suspension, Beattie could (god forbid) pick up an injury against Chelsea, Spurs or Citeh or indeed at any other time in the season. How long will it really be until Mama is back to 100% full fitness? Having said all that, if all four remain totally fit and remain injury free for the remainder of the season, then I wouldn't be surprised to see a rotation system in place. Yer know like the big clubs do. I'd be extremely surprised with the players that have come in and are rumoured to be on their way that we are likely to see anything like as a rigid commitment to Plan A for the remainder of the season. I'm certain that we will now start to see Plan B in certain games. Possibly when Pulis has elected to go for it from the off, he will start with Etherington and Lawrence on the flanks with Beattie and Kits up top. Bringing on Fuller later in the game as an impact sub against tired legs. When we're going to play it tight, he might not start with Etherington, preferring to go more direct with Mama and Fuller to start up top, with us hoofing it up the pitch. Who knows?
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Post by Stokie in Geordieland on Jan 13, 2009 15:10:45 GMT
Kitson to go...no way!!! As I have said in other threads, getting rid of him would put us back to square one with a shortage of quality strikers up front.
I disagree with Georges original argument that Pulis will continue to play the same tactics regardless of new signings. Kitson will inevitably get a different type of service with the likes of Etherington playing. Pulis proved he was willing to change if the right players came in when we signed Diao & Hendrie 2 seasons ago, we played much neater football once we had the players capable of playing that way!
For me, Kitson has had 2 games this season where he has looked much more dangerous, with signs of the quality player he is. The first was against Rotherham, the second against Liverpool on saturday. The common theme with these two games is that Kitson was the furthest player up the field, he was spearheading the stoke attack and playing as an out & out striker, not the Mama role he has been deputising in every other time he has played. With more strikers to choose from now, its more likely that when Kitson does play, he will play up front rather than as a supporting striker roll. For me Fuller & Kitson are out & out strikers, Mama can play as support and Beattie can probably fill either roll.
Bottom line, unless we get yet another striker in, and recieve a big offer for Kitson, he is going nowhere - end of!
I for one would love him to stay.
EDIT - I whole heartedly agree with all of Paul Spencers comments relating to this subject!
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Jan 13, 2009 15:15:19 GMT
Kitson hasn't exactly set the world on fire and I have serious doubts about his 'star' qualities..but to sell him now would be daft..we'd lose about 4 million and be forever thinking..'if only we'd given him a few more games..etc'...
Best to let him stay until the summer and if he 'beds-in' works 'aard for the team..and scores half a dozen goals then everybodys happy..if he continues to underperform..give him some confidence-boosting tablets..
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Post by PONTAFCE on Jan 13, 2009 15:17:55 GMT
Im sorry to say but all this is a load of bollocks imo.We have all given up on the lad because he cost all that money and hasnt put one away as yet.If beattie does the same in 4 or 5 games will we want to offload him i think we will have then saying beattie out.Kitson is a proven striker and needs one goal to kick start him off.He needs his favoured postion and wingers who we now have lets have abit of faith and get behind him instead of on his case.
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Post by stokienorthants on Jan 13, 2009 16:18:59 GMT
George2again you are talking absolute bollocks any club with ambition must hang on to its best players.
Instead let's clear out the crap and reduce our wage bill.
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Post by swampySCFC on Jan 13, 2009 16:30:28 GMT
No way we need 4 top strikers Fuller, Kits, Beattie and Mama Strength in depth at last!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sorry but Pericant goes, Cressy can stay as cover for midfield should we not get a fee for him. Remember of those 4 strikers only 2 are available Satdee so I would like to see a true 442 with Lawrence and Etherington on the flanks, Delap and Faye in the middle. Kits and Beattie up front. Unlikely because Lawrence wont start and we need some bodies in midfield so it will be interesting to see what we do.
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Post by chessyorkshirexile on Jan 13, 2009 16:41:43 GMT
Get rid of Kitson and any chance we have of playing plan B, what rubbish! I for one am fed up of the long high ball forward to Mama and I am absolutely delighed that Etherington signed and that Lawrence is getting back to fitness. They will provide proper service for Kitson, not hopeful high balls.
And Beattie as a 'hold up' player? Well I can only assume george2 has never actually seen Beattie play. He is a poacher/box player (like Kitson), but, whilst he wouldn't have been my first choice (I think we need a back up to Fuller - like Camara), he is a quality signing for sure. Kitson will come good when he gets the confidence of a first goal.
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