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Post by TheWiseMaster on Jan 12, 2009 11:40:47 GMT
That is the point - if we don't take our full allocation then Chelsea will sell the other section to their own fans
That will be what they are looking at now - if Chelsea decide that they can't sell the extra tickets themselves then presumably they will come back to Stoke - sale or return
At West Ham there was a cash turnstile for away fans though neither club had advertised the fact - making it useless
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Post by ruts66 on Jan 12, 2009 12:04:09 GMT
"At West Ham there was a cash turnstile for away fans though neither club had advertised the fact - making it useless..."
I didn't see that as we were in a hurry to take our seats right on kick-off having been delayed hunting down tickets that had come down on the coaches.
Presumably, there was a bank of empty seats somewhere then if nobody knew there was a cash turnstile?
Did you notice how many, roughly ?
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Post by TheWiseMaster on Jan 12, 2009 12:18:10 GMT
Sorry didn't notice the empty seats - we were down at the front on the left
The only reason I know about the cash turnstile is that I went to it by mistake - it was unused and the only one with the matchday prices marked up
We had earlier sent a couple of mates into the West Ham end where they paid a lot more for their seats
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Post by th05 on Jan 12, 2009 12:43:10 GMT
Joke that they didn't take 3000.
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Post by white wall boy on Jan 12, 2009 12:50:19 GMT
just off the phone getting my spurs ticket, asked about Chelsea tickets and they are sold out, so I asked to be put on the waiting list for any returns and apparantely there is no point as there are already 300 people on it ! The demand is there for more tickets, the supply is there so whats the problem?
asked if we'd be getting anymore and defintely not
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Post by ruts66 on Jan 12, 2009 13:00:47 GMT
As many have suggested, there has been a gross misjudgement by the club as to the potential away following at Chelsea.
I'm assuming we sold out for Anfield and Old Trafford so why on God's earth wouldn't we sell out 3,000 for Chelsea?
What's next, 1200 for The Emirates when we need 1 point to stay up?
Somebody needs bloody shooting for this...
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Post by A-teen_six_T3 on Jan 12, 2009 13:18:42 GMT
Well you have got to think at it from Stokes point of view a) In the middle of a credit crunch, jobs going all over the place - 370 odd at wedgewood today b)It's still not long after christmas c) You're looking at at least £75 with travel, ticket and a pie d) When they took the allocation, we had still got to play Man U and Liverpool at home, games where in all fairness, we were expected to get dicked e) Norrmally you have an maount of time, to take the second allocation, probbaly by then we had lost to West ham, with players fighting and we were knockedout of the cu with a shocking performance, Stoke knowing how fickle some fans are - decided against having the extra 1,600 Say for example, we hadn't signed any new players, liverpool beat us 5 nil, people wouldn't want to go, so Stoke would have thousandish tickets left. It will also look very shit on MOTD, all those empty seats
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Post by markscfc72 on Jan 12, 2009 13:20:29 GMT
and with Chelsea you have to tell them at the start of the season what allocation you want
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Post by surreystokie on Jan 12, 2009 13:23:48 GMT
Just don't understand why Clubs do it that way. If we do the same, for example, we would be left with spare seats which could not be taken up by our own. How can that possibly benefit the home club, financially? Perhaps next season (assuming that we play as at the week-end we should re-define the South Stand and concourse, so that we have a third (or whatever percentage) that can be allotted, ultimately) to either team? We need every penny and some of that can go towrds putting in seats (but no roof, for the moment) in front of the scoreboard.
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Post by ruts66 on Jan 12, 2009 13:29:39 GMT
Monica, I guess CFC have better segregation arrangements and can sell the extra tickets 3 times over, even at a week's notice.
It's interesting what Mark has just stated, if that's the case...
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Post by stokebill on Jan 12, 2009 13:46:00 GMT
It's even more of a surprise that we took 1600 if you have to inform Chelsea of the allocation at the start of the season - I assumed it was a conservative post-Christmas/credit crunch/Hartlepool decision.
There are many hundreds of Stokies down south eager to attend matches, and only a handful of games down here. 3000 may have been the absolute limit (about 2500 following my guess), and I know the club can't do right for doing wrong sometimes - but when the club are spending cash left, right and centre this season, it is very disappointing to take such a pitiful amount of tickets because we might have a bill to pay for returns.
Sadly, and more understandably, the midweek game at Spurs will surely be the same story.
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Post by ruts66 on Jan 12, 2009 13:57:14 GMT
Bill, a good mate of mine is a season ticket holder at WHL. Spurs have a waiting list of nearly 20,000 for season tickets.
Like Chelsea they will have absolutely no problem selling our unwanted tickets but the segregation issue means you have to take all or nothing of the secondary allocation before you really know the scale of demand.
It is very much down to SCFC to bite the bullet and act in our best interests. I agree, the sad thing is we won't take many to Tottenham but there will be loads of exiled 'general sale' customers who don't get to go again...
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Post by A-teen_six_T3 on Jan 12, 2009 14:01:54 GMT
The other thing, if we took 3,000 this season, ad only sold say 2,000....Then next season, if we wanted 3,000 again, they might be reluctant to letting us have them, as we didn't sell them this seaosn
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Post by ruts66 on Jan 12, 2009 14:10:59 GMT
1863, if we paid upfront for the 3,000 and weren't due any refunds for unsold tickets then CFC don't lose a penny, they just piss off their own fans when they see all that blue plastic on match day.
Also, if Stoke weren't willing to take a gamble on us fans taking up all 3,000 this year what makes you think they'd do it next year?
Very negative, small-time thinking by our decision makers, I'm afraid...
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Post by surreystokie on Jan 12, 2009 14:16:29 GMT
May take TS's invite to see him any time, when next up for the week-end, although that's not until March (though at least we'll know if nearer to PL football next season, by then) as I don't like to interfere on match day and want a decent discussion, on various matters. It makes me want to weep, to think of those of you who want and could visit Stamford Bridge, after all this time, and won't be able to go, for the daftest of reasons. Where else but football could you get treatment like that? And what if Chelsea fans, unused to a Sunday panning, don't take up the extra tickets? To introduce some humour, if I may, I can't even ask the players around here, if they've got any extra, as they are now reduced to only four tickets each, due to Abramovitch's newfound poverty.
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Post by stokebill on Jan 12, 2009 14:18:36 GMT
Fair enough, A-teen - but if there was one season we might reach a 3000 allocation then its this one, and 300 on the waiting list (not including myself) suggests 3000 might have been easily achievable.
If we were well below 3000 and Chelsea refused us the increased allocation in the future, then fair enough (will they not offer us 3000 next season as we've refused, by that logic?) - but to not even try is very disappointing for exiles, and for fans based up in Staffs no doubt.
I do get it, I don't want to be a whinger. I was expecting a scramble for tickets this season, what I didn't foresee was being completely frozen out.
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Post by ruts66 on Jan 12, 2009 14:34:21 GMT
Ok, let's say the club had shown some bravery and bought the full 3,000 for Chelsea and were struggling to move the last 500 which appears unlikely anyway.
Surely to goodness there are umpteen ways of encouraging 500 fans to go to Chelsea with the best part of a week to go.
What are we talking, worst case scenario?
£23,000 worth of tickets.
How about a sponsored phone-in competition through the Sentinel or One free ticket with every £100 spent in the club shop, Visit your local Seat dealer, etc...
If there's 100 left after that, half price on the morning of the game.
Jesus wept, where's the energy and dynamism at the club's PR and Marketing operation. It really isn't that hard if the willingness is there...
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Post by white wall boy on Jan 12, 2009 17:56:03 GMT
I'm just gutted I'm not going ! should have pulled my finger out of my arse sooner true but I've had problems this season with Bolton, Blackburn and now Chelsea tickets
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Post by sammychung on Jan 12, 2009 18:09:42 GMT
It was Spurs or Chelsea for me. I chose the spurs game cos I ain't been WHL and its half the price.
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Post by stokiehad on Jan 12, 2009 18:10:04 GMT
they should of decided the amount after the liverpool game. i bet a lot of people want to go now because of the top performance on saturday!
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Post by Cupid Stunt on Jan 12, 2009 18:13:27 GMT
No good bleating, I know, but when you take a morning off work (unpaid) it really isn't good enough. If it's true the club forfeited the full allocation in fear they wouldn't sell out then what does that say about their ambition for its supporters. Whether I got one or not, well done SCFC... To be fair we wouldn't have sold 3000 and the club would have lost money that could be spent on wages etc.
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Post by Cupid Stunt on Jan 12, 2009 18:22:31 GMT
Just don't understand why Clubs do it that way. If we do the same, for example, we would be left with spare seats which could not be taken up by our own. How can that possibly benefit the home club, financially? Perhaps next season (assuming that we play as at the week-end we should re-define the South Stand and concourse, so that we have a third (or whatever percentage) that can be allotted, ultimately) to either team? We need every penny and some of that can go towrds putting in seats (but no roof, for the moment) in front of the scoreboard. It benefits the home club because any tickets we can't sell we send back to chelsea who then can't get rid of them, so if they charge us for 3000 and we don't sell out, we lose money but they don't. So of course it benefits them financially. Also last season apparently Wigan failed to sell out the 1400 allocation due to it being a Tuesday night and my dad who knows a Wigan fan that went said that Chelsea fans bought the tickets off Wigan and it caused tension in the away end and there was some trouble, especially with Wigan scoring a late equaliser. I'm not saying this would happen with Stoke but it would probably happen with clubs like Boro and Wigan and Blackburn who aren't going to sell out so it stops extra tickets getting to Chelsea fans via touts etc or just by the ticket office of the visiting club. I think people are being harsh on Stoke here, we would not have sold out had we lost to liverpool and we still probably wouldn't even though we didn't lose.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 12, 2009 18:29:23 GMT
Well you have got to think at it from Stokes point of view a) In the middle of a credit crunch, jobs going all over the place - 370 odd at wedgewood today b)It's still not long after christmas c) You're looking at at least £75 with travel, ticket and a pie d) When they took the allocation, we had still got to play Man U and Liverpool at home, games where in all fairness, we were expected to get dicked e) Norrmally you have an maount of time, to take the second allocation, probbaly by then we had lost to West ham, with players fighting and we were knockedout of the cu with a shocking performance, Stoke knowing how fickle some fans are - decided against having the extra 1,600 Say for example, we hadn't signed any new players, liverpool beat us 5 nil, people wouldn't want to go, so Stoke would have thousandish tickets left. It will also look very shit on MOTD, all those empty seats I think that's a heap of really good points listed above. I really take on board ruts66 idea about taking the whole lot and if they hadn't all sold then coming up with some schemes to shift the ones that were left. However when Scholes was on the blower to Seat, or Radio Stoke or the Sentinel or whoever, you could imagine what Coates' or indeed Pulis' reaction would be when they popped into the Chief Execs office to ask him how the Beattie or the Ledley deal was coming along for him to then say ... "just let me shift these last 300 Chelsea tickets and I'll get onto it". I think a line has to be drawn somewhere, and I expect it was a pretty difficult one to draw, but I really do think A teen's post above isn't likely to be that far from the truth.
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Post by thepremierbanksy on Jan 12, 2009 18:31:09 GMT
maybe the deadline for taking up more tickets and the match attendence records clashed here. I seem to remember that there was a particularly high number of away tickets needed for this game's first round of ticket sales (think the away matches required tends to be a bit higher for the big games) and probably not that many people qualified. Then when tickets went on general season ticket holder sale last monday, the rest were snapped up by the end of the day.
Perhaps chelsea has already asked to know if we wanted more tickets before last monday, before which the sales were slow? that does conflict with what mark is saying though.
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Post by Winge on Jan 12, 2009 21:41:43 GMT
I'm gutted too i have not got a ticket..... would pay double to bethere if anyone is interested in selling. Firstly the lack of info on the official website and the q of people at the ground this morning, when there weren't any tickets left is really poor on Stoke...nice to be treated like a true loyal supporter hey!! Secondly if we did not sell the full 3000 tickets then the loss could have been offset by the Fuller and Griffin fines from the fiasco at West Ham, which also upset me! Therefore no loss to the club, just Fuller and Griffin!
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Post by sandhurststokie on Jan 12, 2009 21:55:14 GMT
phoned the ticket office this afternoon and got put on a waiting list for a ticket. anyone else do this? did this against pompey and got a ticket. anyone think we will get more tickets?
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Post by Stokie-Jiggz on Jan 12, 2009 21:56:06 GMT
i doubt it but if like 1500 put there name on a waiting list then maybe;)
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Post by Winge on Jan 12, 2009 21:59:42 GMT
I went to the ticket office and they said no more tickets and that the ones on the waiting list are for if any are returned by people who can not go!! Chelsea have no tickets and we have none....
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